Trayvon-Zimmerman

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    The way I see it played out, not as much hype and dramatics as the OJ trial. Hopefully the judge won't be the loon that controlled (?) the Anna Nicole trial. Not as drawn out as the Casey Anthony trial.There will be a few surprises that will have some coming back here saying "told you so." They'll be the constant barrage of forum quarterbacks. The drama will all take place with the talk shows and news outlets. I see it ending with Zimmerman being set free. Riots will follow, I have no doubt. Sadly there will be another Reginald Denny story, although I don' think it will be a white victim. Zimmerman will make headlines again with a sad ending. In the end, it will all become yesterdays news and they'll be something else for us to yammer about. Anyone else care to share how they see it played out?
    Posted by msobstinate99


    I tend to think you are right. Maybe not the riot part.
     
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    There will continue to be histrionics from the usual people trying to gain political advantage from a tragedy.

    But then again, that's what they do.

     
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    Zimmerman is coward, just like anyone who walks around with a gun who isn't a cop.  Without that gun in his pocket, Zimmerman might have had to use his bare hands in a confrontation, so he would have stayed in his van like the coward he is.  His gun gave him his courage, and the backwards GOP gun laws in Florida allow these cowards to shoot first, then claim self-defense. 
     
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    Zimmerman is coward, just like anyone who walks around with a gun who isn't a cop.  Without that gun in his pocket, Zimmerman might have had to use his bare hands in a confrontation, so he would have stayed in his van like the coward he is.  His gun gave him his courage, and the backwards GOP gun laws in Florida allow these cowards to shoot first, then claim self-defense. 
    Posted by UserName99


    So, what you seem to be saying is that guns are for people who may not be able to readily defend themselves without assistance. By Jove, I think that you may be on to something here!


     
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    In Response to Re: Trayvon-Zimmerman : So, what you seem to be saying is that guns are for people who may not be able to readily defend themselves without assistance. By Jove, I think that you may be on to something here!
    Posted by StalkingButler


    I'm saying that Zimmerman without a gun sits in his van and calls the cops, and Martin lives. 

    But the Zimmerman with a gun gets out of his van and approaches people that he profiles as suspicious, because he knows he can just 'defend himself' if things go badly.

    Allowing a person like this to carry a gun turns him into a predator.
     
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    I think no matter what happens, this case will be the one that ultimately lead to repeal of the stand your ground law in Florida.  Not solely because of the case but because it is problematic for state prosecutors.  There are drug dealers who have gotten off for shooting other drug dealers because they used the stand your ground law as defense.  The law was drafted poorly and there are some serious unintended consequences because of it. 

     
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    In Response to Re: Trayvon-Zimmerman : "Allowing a person like this to carry a gun turns him into a predator." Right, but how is the state of Florida supposed to know what a person might be like once they get a gun? Afterall there are millions of responsible gun owners in this country. If he had no criminal background and no documented history of mental issues then there was no legitimate reason for him to be denied a gun license.  The only way around this is to repeal the 2nd amendment. Of course then the only non-law enforcement people that will have guns will be the criminals. That ought to turn out well... And no...I don't own a gun nor have any desire to own a gun. 
    Posted by WhichOnesPink2


    Florida could make it harder for people to carry a concealed weapon.  If you want a pistol for protection, fine, just leave it at home with a trigger lock on it.  Common sense rules like these are too much for th NRA (gun sales lobby).

    Incidentally....this is the big NRA convention weekend for gun fetishists.  Ironically held in St. Louis, the gun violence capital of America.  According to the NRA website, the following politicians and pundits are scheduled to make speeches.

    Mitt Romney
    Newt Gingrich
    Rick Perry
    Oliver North
    Darrell Issa
    Chuck Grassley
    Roy Blunt
    John Bolton
    Ken Blackwell
    Scott Walker
    Bobby Jindal
    Eric Cantor


     
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    In Response to Re: Trayvon-Zimmerman : Florida could make it harder for people to carry a concealed weapon.  If you want a pistol for protection, fine, just leave it at home with a trigger lock on it.  Common sense rules like these are too much for th NRA (gun sales lobby). Incidentally....this is the big NRA convention weekend for gun fetishists.  Ironically held in St. Louis, the gun violence capital of America.  According to the NRA website, the following politicians and pundits are scheduled to make speeches. Mitt Romney Newt Gingrich Rick Perry Oliver North Darrell Issa Chuck Grassley Roy Blunt John Bolton Ken Blackwell Scott Walker Bobby Jindal Eric Cantor
    Posted by UserName99

    I am thinking Mitt does not make it, regardless of what he has told the NRA.  While gov Mitt never put his name on anything supporting guns.  Scott Brown is another one who used to make it sound like he supported guns, but never attached his name to any legislation.

    Al the fox25 wingnut blogges thought Obama was going to take away their gun rights. Under him they now are able to carry concealed weapons while in National Parks.
     
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    There will continue to be histrionics from the usual people trying to gain political advantage from a tragedy. But then again, that's what they do.
    Posted by StalkingButler


    They certainly do that a lot, don't they...??

    It's likely how these moronically mis-applied 'stand your ground' laws got passed in the first place.
     
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    The way I see it played out, not as much hype and dramatics as the OJ trial. Hopefully the judge won't be the loon that controlled (?) the Anna Nicole trial. Not as drawn out as the Casey Anthony trial.There will be a few surprises that will have some coming back here saying "told you so." They'll be the constant barrage of forum quarterbacks. The drama will all take place with the talk shows and news outlets. I see it ending with Zimmerman being set free. Riots will follow, I have no doubt. Sadly there will be another Reginald Denny story, although I don't think it will be a white victim. Zimmerman will make headlines again with a sad ending. In the end, it will all become yesterdays news and they'll be something else for us to yammer about. Anyone else care to share how they see it played out?
    Posted by msobstinate99

    I agree. I found it curious to have the DA file for murder 2. I think proving intent to kill will be tough.
    One side of me thinks she did it to show it is a farce and let it be. Judge looks at evidence and doesn't let it go to trial.
    The other side thinks she did it to scare Zimmerman into pleading manslaughter.
     
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    In Response to Trayvon-Zimmerman : I agree. I found it curious to have the DA file for murder 2. I think proving intent to kill will be tough. One side of me thinks she did it to show it is a farce and let it be. Judge looks at evidence and doesn't let it go to trial. The other side thinks she did it to scare Zimmerman into pleading manslaughter.
    Posted by brat13


    Murder 2 might be a reach, but it is likely she went that route in order to have room to plead him down to manslaughter, which seems more appropriate.  The arrest affadavit that was filed seems to indicate they aren't buying Zimmerman's story abut how everything went down, they clearly note that he pursued Trayvon after being told not to by the police, and the report does nto include his version of events (that he was jumped from behind).  I don't think the prosecutor is trying to run a game, I think she is gunning for a conviction. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Trayvon-Zimmerman : Murder 2 might be a reach, but it is likely she went that route in order to have room to plead him down to manslaughter, which seems more appropriate.  The arrest affadavit that was filed seems to indicate they aren't buying Zimmerman's story abut how everything went down, they clearly note that he pursued Trayvon after being told not to by the police, and the report does nto include his version of events (that he was jumped from behind).  I don't think the prosecutor is trying to run a game, I think she is gunning for a conviction. 
    Posted by DamainAllen


    It sounds like, based on the affadavit that was released, they are confident they can prove that Zimmerman continued the pursuit of Martin and was the one who made initial contact.

    It is not a complex timeline, and based on where the actual altercation took place and the fact that Martin was on the phone nearly up to the instant he was shot, the prosecution likely feels very confident they can disprove Zimmerman's story.
     
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    http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/880123/the_right-wing_reaction_to_the_trayvon_martin_case%3A_still_terrifying/#paragraph2

    I agree with the above post by Thesemenarecowards. 

    What I do not agree with is the way this thread started. It referred posters as armchair quarterbacks. That term is not at all applicable here. Perhaps if the trial had taken place and posters were commenting with 20/20 hindsight about what the prosecution should have done and/or what the defense should have done you might use that term.

    But the Martin case is still unfolding. Nobody can be considered an armchair quarterback here.

    I also object to the term "yammering". I have read many thoughtful posts on different threads by different posters regarding this case. It is obvious they are putting a lot of time and energy in composing posts with the available information to share their thoughts on this unfolding case. That is by no means "yammering".

    With the above said, I came across a very good article that is one writer's journey through the Martin case to date. The link is at the top.
     
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    Mitt made his speech to the NRA but it was his basic talk about Obama. The word gun was only mentioned once by Willard.
     
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    http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/13/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=cheatsheet_afternoon&cid=newsletter%3Bemail%3Bcheatsheet_afternoon&utm_term=Cheat%20Sheet

    George Zimmerman is going to seek bail to get out of jail while he awaits the beginning of his trial for the second degree murder of Trayvon Martin.

    A hearing on this has been scheduled for 9am, April 20th.
     
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    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/13/11182597-trayvon-martin-case-hearing-raises-possible-conflict-of-interest-for-judge?lite

    There was a hearing today about a possible conflict of interest for the judge in the Trayvon Martin case.

    Apparently her husband works in a firm in which also works a lawyer that George Zimmerman had contacted regarding this case but did not hire. That lawyer has since been hired to be an analysis for CNN in coverage of this case.

    The judge has asked Zimmerman's lawyer to file, if he is going to file, a motion for her to recuse herself before the bail hearing which is set for April 20th.
     
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    A poster wrote earlier that a lot more is going to come out about this case. One of the revelations has to do with the Stand Your Ground Law. That is who really wrote this law.

    This law, as well as thousands of other laws, are being written by ALEC...the American Legislative Exchange Council.

    The mission of ALEC is simple. It is to help corporations write laws that will help their profits and get state legislatures to pass them verbatim. Along with the usual suspects like Koch Industries And Exxon, ALEC's members include companies like Johnson&Johnson, AT&T and State Farm.

    Another development in the wake of Trayvon Martin's shooting and the revelations that ALEC wrote the Stand Your Ground Law, corporate sponsors have been leaving. Megacorprations like Coke, Pepsi, McDonald's, Kraft's and more.


     

     
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    http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/880418/alec_under_fire%3A_mars_j

    What is happening with ALEC, a tax exempt organization, is not only is it losing its donors by the droves, more importantly, it has finally come out from the shadows.

    Until the Trayvon Martin case and the news that it was ALEC that actually wrote the Stand Your Ground Law, most people had never heard of ALEC. So it most states, Republican legislators, and a few Democratic legislators, were championing bills that were actually written word for word by ALEC.
     
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    The above post may try to counterpoint my points about ALEC, but it does not change the face that ALEC has been operating below the radar for years until the Trayvon Martin case.

    As is often the case, it takes something huge to expose something like this. The combination of ALEC been the actual author of the Stand Your Ground Law and the tragic killing of Trayvon Martin is that something huge.

    So now donors are dropping them left and right because a bright spotlight has exposed them. That is one of the uses of social media. 

    Out of this tragedy, ALEC has been exposed. And of course we are now looking at the wisdom of these Stand Your Ground Laws which are already in 25 states. Perhaps rather than anymore states adopting them, as the NRA is pushing, states will begin to re-write or completely remove them from their books with one method or another.
     
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    I believe most posters understand the legislative process. What I also believe is most posters, as most people in our country, outside of Washington D.C., were unaware of ALEC and the enormous amount of tax exempt donations they were receiving to get cookie cutter bills introduced in most states in the interests of their donors, like the NRA.

    If the donors did not mind having a light on them now, they would not be dropping ALEC left and right.  
     
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