Unions To White House On Obamacare, Taft-Hartley Plans: 'You Made The Problem, You Fix It'

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    Re: Unions To White House On Obamacare, Taft-Hartley Plans: 'You Made The Problem, You Fix It'

    They're probably used to paying nothing toward their premiums, so anything added makes them angry.  Its the right thing to do.

    Minor co-pay increases and the implementation of small premiums will promote some health cost-consciousness that does not presently exist in unions.

    This will decrease healthcare expenses immediately and those savings could then be converted to slightly higher wage payments and retiree payments to unionized workers and pensioners which could be used to pay for the new co-pays and premium increases.

    This will have to suffice until America joins the civilized world with single-payer healthcare and regulates corporate healthcare out of existence.

     
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    Re: Unions To White House On Obamacare, Taft-Hartley Plans: 'You Made The Problem, You Fix It'

    UPS has become yet another poster-child for the ill-intended effects of Obamacare. On Wednesday, it was announced that UPS will no longer be offering their employees’ spouses insurance coverage. Starting in 2014, 15,000 spouses will find themselves without health care, thanks in large part to the rising medical costs created by the Affordable Care Act.

     

    “The decision comes as many analysts are downplaying the Affordable Care Act's effect on companies such as UPS, noting that the move reflects a long-term trend of shrinking corporate medical benefits, Kaiser Health News reports. But UPS repeatedly cites Obamacare to explain the decision, adding fuel to the debate over whether it erodes traditional employer coverage...

    Rising medical costs, “combined with the costs associated with the Affordable Care Act, have made it increasingly difficult to continue providing the same level of health care benefits to our employees at an affordable cost,” UPS said in a memo to employees.”

    This decision only affects the spouses of non-unionized workers; dropping spousal coverage is projected to save the company $60 million a year.

    The Obama Administration has not commented on UPS’s decision to retract healthcare for its workers’ spouses, but spokeswoman for the United States Department of Health and Human Services, Joanne Peters, cited Massachusetts health care reform, through which employer coverage actually increased. She also had this to say in ‘reply’:

    "The health care law will make health insurance more affordable, strengthen small businesses and make it easier for employers to provide coverage to their workers."

    It’s hard to know what world the administration is living in, but apparently it’s a world without UPS.

     
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    UPS has become yet another poster-child for the ill-intended effects of Obamacare. On Wednesday, it was announced that UPS will no longer be offering their employees’ spouses insurance coverage. Starting in 2014, 15,000 spouses will find themselves without health care, thanks in large part to the rising medical costs created by the Affordable Care Act.

     

    “The decision comes as many analysts are downplaying the Affordable Care Act's effect on companies such as UPS, noting that the move reflects a long-term trend of shrinking corporate medical benefits, Kaiser Health News reports. But UPS repeatedly cites Obamacare to explain the decision, adding fuel to the debate over whether it erodes traditional employer coverage...

    Rising medical costs, “combined with the costs associated with the Affordable Care Act, have made it increasingly difficult to continue providing the same level of health care benefits to our employees at an affordable cost,” UPS said in a memo to employees.”

    This decision only affects the spouses of non-unionized workers; dropping spousal coverage is projected to save the company $60 million a year.

    The Obama Administration has not commented on UPS’s decision to retract healthcare for its workers’ spouses, but spokeswoman for the United States Department of Health and Human Services, Joanne Peters, cited Massachusetts health care reform, through which employer coverage actually increased. She also had this to say in ‘reply’:

    "The health care law will make health insurance more affordable, strengthen small businesses and make it easier for employers to provide coverage to their workers."

    It’s hard to know what world the administration is living in, but apparently it’s a world without UPS.

     



    Obamacare has nothing to do with not providing coverage for spouses, except for providing cover so UPS can trim benefit costs.   This has been going on for years.  It is about a company trying to increase profits, and in the United States it is perfectedly acceptable to do this because we have no moral compass when it comes to health care coverage. It's everyone for themselves.

     

    Just another example of the insanity of having an employer based system in the first place.

     
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    Re: Unions To White House On Obamacare, Taft-Hartley Plans: 'You Made The Problem, You Fix It'

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    UPS has become yet another poster-child for the ill-intended effects of Obamacare. On Wednesday, it was announced that UPS will no longer be offering their employees’ spouses insurance coverage. Starting in 2014, 15,000 spouses will find themselves without health care, thanks in large part to the rising medical costs created by the Affordable Care Act.

     

    “The decision comes as many analysts are downplaying the Affordable Care Act's effect on companies such as UPS, noting that the move reflects a long-term trend of shrinking corporate medical benefits, Kaiser Health News reports. But UPS repeatedly cites Obamacare to explain the decision, adding fuel to the debate over whether it erodes traditional employer coverage...

    Rising medical costs, “combined with the costs associated with the Affordable Care Act, have made it increasingly difficult to continue providing the same level of health care benefits to our employees at an affordable cost,” UPS said in a memo to employees.”

    This decision only affects the spouses of non-unionized workers; dropping spousal coverage is projected to save the company $60 million a year.

    The Obama Administration has not commented on UPS’s decision to retract healthcare for its workers’ spouses, but spokeswoman for the United States Department of Health and Human Services, Joanne Peters, cited Massachusetts health care reform, through which employer coverage actually increased. She also had this to say in ‘reply’:

    "The health care law will make health insurance more affordable, strengthen small businesses and make it easier for employers to provide coverage to their workers."

    It’s hard to know what world the administration is living in, but apparently it’s a world without UPS.

     

     



    Obamacare has nothing to do with not providing coverage for spouses.   This has been going on for years.  It is about a company trying to increase profits, and in the United States it is perfectedly acceptable to do this because we have no moral compass when it comes to health care coverage. It's everyone for themselves.

     

     

    Just another example of the insanity of having an employer based system in the first place.



    "This has been going on for years."

     

     

    Not at UPS it hasn't.

    Do you have links showing how employers dropping spousal coverage has gone on for years? I know I, nor any of my fellow underwriters, ever came across this when I was an underwriter, but admittedly it's been since 2002 that I was an underwriter so maybe that trend started after 2002.

     

     




    They are just dropping spouses that can be covered by their own employer.  That has been going on for years. 

     
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    Re: Unions To White House On Obamacare, Taft-Hartley Plans: 'You Made The Problem, You Fix It'

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    They're probably used to paying nothing toward their premiums, so anything added makes them angry.  Its the right thing to do.

    Minor co-pay increases and the implementation of small premiums will promote some health cost-consciousness that does not presently exist in unions.

    This will decrease healthcare expenses immediately and those savings could then be converted to slightly higher wage payments and retiree payments to unionized workers and pensioners which could be used to pay for the new co-pays and premium increases.

    This will have to suffice until America joins the civilized world with single-payer healthcare and regulates corporate healthcare out of existence.

     



    Ah...so it's ok when Unions complain about losing choices and higher co-pays. Got it.

     

     



    It sounds like the Unions are trying to get special treatment, and the administration is telling them to take a hike.  Isn't that a good thing?

     

     
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    Re: Unions To White House On Obamacare, Taft-Hartley Plans: 'You Made The Problem, You Fix It'

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    UPS has become yet another poster-child for the ill-intended effects of Obamacare. On Wednesday, it was announced that UPS will no longer be offering their employees’ spouses insurance coverage. Starting in 2014, 15,000 spouses will find themselves without health care, thanks in large part to the rising medical costs created by the Affordable Care Act.

     

    “The decision comes as many analysts are downplaying the Affordable Care Act's effect on companies such as UPS, noting that the move reflects a long-term trend of shrinking corporate medical benefits, Kaiser Health News reports. But UPS repeatedly cites Obamacare to explain the decision, adding fuel to the debate over whether it erodes traditional employer coverage...

    Rising medical costs, “combined with the costs associated with the Affordable Care Act, have made it increasingly difficult to continue providing the same level of health care benefits to our employees at an affordable cost,” UPS said in a memo to employees.”

    This decision only affects the spouses of non-unionized workers; dropping spousal coverage is projected to save the company $60 million a year.

    The Obama Administration has not commented on UPS’s decision to retract healthcare for its workers’ spouses, but spokeswoman for the United States Department of Health and Human Services, Joanne Peters, cited Massachusetts health care reform, through which employer coverage actually increased. She also had this to say in ‘reply’:

    "The health care law will make health insurance more affordable, strengthen small businesses and make it easier for employers to provide coverage to their workers."

    It’s hard to know what world the administration is living in, but apparently it’s a world without UPS.

     



    Obamacare has nothing to do with not providing coverage for spouses, except for providing cover so UPS can trim benefit costs.   This has been going on for years.  It is about a company trying to increase profits, and in the United States it is perfectedly acceptable to do this because we have no moral compass when it comes to health care coverage. It's everyone for themselves.

     

    Just another example of the insanity of having an employer based system in the first place.



    Wrong!

    It is about a company is a competetive market trying to maintain profitability and a sustained work place for thousands of employees!

     
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    UPS has become yet another poster-child for the ill-intended effects of Obamacare. On Wednesday, it was announced that UPS will no longer be offering their employees’ spouses insurance coverage. Starting in 2014, 15,000 spouses will find themselves without health care, thanks in large part to the rising medical costs created by the Affordable Care Act.

     

    “The decision comes as many analysts are downplaying the Affordable Care Act's effect on companies such as UPS, noting that the move reflects a long-term trend of shrinking corporate medical benefits, Kaiser Health News reports. But UPS repeatedly cites Obamacare to explain the decision, adding fuel to the debate over whether it erodes traditional employer coverage...

    Rising medical costs, “combined with the costs associated with the Affordable Care Act, have made it increasingly difficult to continue providing the same level of health care benefits to our employees at an affordable cost,” UPS said in a memo to employees.”

    This decision only affects the spouses of non-unionized workers; dropping spousal coverage is projected to save the company $60 million a year.

    The Obama Administration has not commented on UPS’s decision to retract healthcare for its workers’ spouses, but spokeswoman for the United States Department of Health and Human Services, Joanne Peters, cited Massachusetts health care reform, through which employer coverage actually increased. She also had this to say in ‘reply’:

    "The health care law will make health insurance more affordable, strengthen small businesses and make it easier for employers to provide coverage to their workers."

    It’s hard to know what world the administration is living in, but apparently it’s a world without UPS.

     

     



    Obamacare has nothing to do with not providing coverage for spouses.   This has been going on for years.  It is about a company trying to increase profits, and in the United States it is perfectedly acceptable to do this because we have no moral compass when it comes to health care coverage. It's everyone for themselves.

     

     

    Just another example of the insanity of having an employer based system in the first place.



    "This has been going on for years."

     

     

    Not at UPS it hasn't.

    Do you have links showing how employers dropping spousal coverage has gone on for years? I know I, nor any of my fellow underwriters, ever came across this when I was an underwriter, but admittedly it's been since 2002 that I was an underwriter so maybe that trend started after 2002.

     

     

     

     




     

     

    They are just dropping spouses that can be covered by their own employer.  That has been going on for years. 



    Again, please provide links showing this. Thanks!

     



    http://triblive.com/business/headlines/4560092-74/health-spouses-costs#axzz2ciXNuFd4

     

    Nationally, a Mercer survey found that 18 percent of large employers had a working-spouse surcharge or a no-coverage policy for working spouses in 2012, up from 15 percent in 2011

    Read more: http://triblive.com/business/headlines/4560092-74/health-spouses-costs#ixzz2cicpWBPG
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    They're probably used to paying nothing toward their premiums, so anything added makes them angry.  Its the right thing to do.

    Minor co-pay increases and the implementation of small premiums will promote some health cost-consciousness that does not presently exist in unions.

    This will decrease healthcare expenses immediately and those savings could then be converted to slightly higher wage payments and retiree payments to unionized workers and pensioners which could be used to pay for the new co-pays and premium increases.

    This will have to suffice until America joins the civilized world with single-payer healthcare and regulates corporate healthcare out of existence.

     

     

     



    Ah...so it's ok when Unions complain about losing choices and higher co-pays. Got it.

     

     

     

     

     



    It sounds like the Unions are trying to get special treatment, and the administration is telling them to take a hike.  Isn't that a good thing?

     

     

     



    Point went screaming over your head

     




    no...actually that was my point

     
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    Re: Unions To White House On Obamacare, Taft-Hartley Plans: 'You Made The Problem, You Fix It'

    I'm not sure what your point is.  It sounds like the unions are p1ssed because you don't have to be in a union anymore to get decent coverage at an affordable price.

    I understand that this weakens the unions, but I'm a liberal and I say they can go screw.  Obama is the president and he's telling them to go screw.  You're a conservative and you're upset that they are not getting enough subsidies?

    Yes, the point went screaming over my head.  Or maybe sputtering past another part of my anatomy.

     

     
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    Re: Unions To White House On Obamacare, Taft-Hartley Plans: 'You Made The Problem, You Fix It'

    "Just another example of the insanity of having an employer based system in the first place."

    And this insanity of an employer based system was the result of, guess what, government regulations.

    Replace one failed insane government policy with another....until the screwup is so bad the Government will step in from the disasters caused by Government, and have the Government confiscate the entire health care industry.

    Great plan.

     
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    Re: Unions To White House On Obamacare, Taft-Hartley Plans: 'You Made The Problem, You Fix It'

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    UPS has become yet another poster-child for the ill-intended effects of Obamacare. On Wednesday, it was announced that UPS will no longer be offering their employees’ spouses insurance coverage. Starting in 2014, 15,000 spouses will find themselves without health care, thanks in large part to the rising medical costs created by the Affordable Care Act.

     

    “The decision comes as many analysts are downplaying the Affordable Care Act's effect on companies such as UPS, noting that the move reflects a long-term trend of shrinking corporate medical benefits, Kaiser Health News reports. But UPS repeatedly cites Obamacare to explain the decision, adding fuel to the debate over whether it erodes traditional employer coverage...

    Rising medical costs, “combined with the costs associated with the Affordable Care Act, have made it increasingly difficult to continue providing the same level of health care benefits to our employees at an affordable cost,” UPS said in a memo to employees.”

    This decision only affects the spouses of non-unionized workers; dropping spousal coverage is projected to save the company $60 million a year.

    The Obama Administration has not commented on UPS’s decision to retract healthcare for its workers’ spouses, but spokeswoman for the United States Department of Health and Human Services, Joanne Peters, cited Massachusetts health care reform, through which employer coverage actually increased. She also had this to say in ‘reply’:

    "The health care law will make health insurance more affordable, strengthen small businesses and make it easier for employers to provide coverage to their workers."

    It’s hard to know what world the administration is living in, but apparently it’s a world without UPS.

     

     



    Obamacare has nothing to do with not providing coverage for spouses.   This has been going on for years.  It is about a company trying to increase profits, and in the United States it is perfectedly acceptable to do this because we have no moral compass when it comes to health care coverage. It's everyone for themselves.

     

     

    Just another example of the insanity of having an employer based system in the first place.



    "This has been going on for years."

     

     

    Not at UPS it hasn't.

    Do you have links showing how employers dropping spousal coverage has gone on for years? I know I, nor any of my fellow underwriters, ever came across this when I was an underwriter, but admittedly it's been since 2002 that I was an underwriter so maybe that trend started after 2002.

     

     

     




     

    They are just dropping spouses that can be covered by their own employer.  That has been going on for years. 




    Really? in what universe?

    Funny how the unions, government, and progressive groups all want us to have Obamacare, but don't want it for  themselves.

     
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     the rising medical costs created by the Affordable Care Act.

     



    Well, hold on. First people were claiming insurance premiums (aka, not medical costs) were what was being driven up by Obamacare, nevermind that the rate of growth actually slowedsince it passed.

     

    I haven't seen anyone make out a case that the actual cost of medical goods and services is somehow being driven up by Obamacare. How would that even work? It regulates insurance, not the fee a hospital contrats with an insurer for a hip replacement, nor does it regulate the cost of the replacement hip components.



    But the cost of premiums did go up.  We have had this discussion over and over.  Obama said the costs woudl go down, and average of 2,500 dollars per family.  It has gone up by roughly the same amount.

    The cost of medical goods isn't going up?  You obviously haven't read the bill, theirs a tax on medical devices.

    You are all over the map.  Take a deep breath, pull it together, and try to make one argument that is not, well, slippery.

     
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    Re: Unions To White House On Obamacare, Taft-Hartley Plans: 'You Made The Problem, You Fix It'

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    They're probably used to paying nothing toward their premiums, so anything added makes them angry.  Its the right thing to do.

    Minor co-pay increases and the implementation of small premiums will promote some health cost-consciousness that does not presently exist in unions.

    This will decrease healthcare expenses immediately and those savings could then be converted to slightly higher wage payments and retiree payments to unionized workers and pensioners which could be used to pay for the new co-pays and premium increases.

    This will have to suffice until America joins the civilized world with single-payer healthcare and regulates corporate healthcare out of existence.

     




    Why don't we just get government out of health care and let the unions do whatever they want to do?

    Why is this so hard for you people?  Obamacare is a Rube Goldberg device (look him up kids), and the solution you libs have for every problem is to add more pulleys, ropes, and bowling balls on chutes.

    Face it: this idea that government can do a better job with health care than the free market just blew up in your face.

     
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