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Unprecedented Earthquake Activity in Oklahoma

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    Unprecedented Earthquake Activity in Oklahoma

    Oklahoma...the Fracking capitol of the US has been experiencing a record amount of seismic activity and the problem is only getting worse.


    On a morning news show this morning, an environmental expert says as this rate, OK can expect  at least a moderate event ( over 5.0) in the near future. This is particularly troubling since the OK infrastructure is not really built to withstand an event of this magnitude without significant damage.


    It is becoming more widely believed that the uptick in seismic activity can be traced to the increased amount of fracking that is being done by..you guessed it..the oil and gas industry. The issue, experts now believe, is not the fracking itself, but the disposal process of the vast amounts of waste water created by the process.  Experts are now starting to believe that this water, which is pumped into wells thousands of feet below the surface could be lubricating fault lines...speeding up the natural process and leading to the increase in the number of measurable earthquakes in the state..all by the way within a 400 mile radius of the fracking activity.


    Residents of this area of OK are understandably very concerned. Our leaders should call for an immediate suspension of all fracking activity until complete environmental consequences can be studied.


    Better yet...let's start being serious about alternative energy sources...because  when you continuously poke mother nature...she sometimes pokes back with a vengeance.


    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)

     
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    Oklahoma...the Fracking capitol of the US has been experiencing a record amount of seismic activity and the problem is only getting worse.


     


    On a morning news show this morning, an environmental expert says as this rate, OK can expect  at least a moderate event ( over 5.0) in the near future. This is particularly troubling since the OK infrastructure is not really built to withstand an event of this magnitude without significant damage.


     


    It is becoming more widely believed that the uptick in seismic activity can be traced to the increased amount of fracking that is being done by..you guessed it..the oil and gas industry. The issue, experts now believe, is not the fracking itself, but the disposal process of the vast amounts of waste water created by the process.  Experts are now starting to believe that this water, which is pumped into wells thousands of feet below the surface could be lubricating fault lines...speeding up the natural process and leading to the increase in the number of measurable earthquakes in the state..all by the way within a 400 mile radius of the fracking activity.


     


    Residents of this area of OK are understandably very concerned. Our leaders should call for an immediate suspension of all fracking activity until complete environmental consequences can be studied.


     


    Better yet...let's start being serious about alternative energy sources...because  when you continuously poke mother nature...she sometimes pokes back with a vengeance.


     


    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)





    Immediate end to fracking ??? Economic and environmental insanity..it is the only private sector economic pulse in the pathetic statist Obama economy...Green energy kooks would just love to destroy the success of this new technology...


    Look at the Netherlands;  its citizens blown out of the sky by Russian missiles...because the Dutch were good subservient "green energy" zealots, they are totally dependent on imported Russian natural gas...so they are powerless..


    The US is moving toward energy independence, which is a miraculous development. 


    "getting serious about alternative energy"? Ttranslation: more federal Government takeover of energy industry, more failed crooked crony Solyndra boondoggles, more destruction of the free enterprise system that has led us to unprecedented prosperity and freedom...

     
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    Look at the Netherlands;  its citizens blown out of the sky by Russian missiles...because the Dutch were good subservient "green energy" zealots, they are totally dependent on imported Russian natural gas...so they are powerless..



    Ya sure thing spanky ... except;



    The Netherlands is the second-largest producer and exporter of natural gas in Europe, following Norway. The country produced more than 2.8 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) in 2012.


    http://www.eia.gov/countries/country-data.cfm?fips=NL" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.gov/countries/country-data.cfm?fips=NL


     


    Any other completely baseless rants you want to throw out there?

     
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    Re: Unprecedented Earthquake Activity in Oklahoma

    It's just fat Oklahomans jumping down from their oversized pickup trucks.

     
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    Obviously one of you has their facts wrong.




     




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    Look at the Netherlands;  its citizens blown out of the sky by Russian missiles...because the Dutch were good subservient "green energy" zealots, they are totally dependent on imported Russian natural gas...so they are powerless..




     




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    Ya sure thing spanky ... except;




     




    The Netherlands is the second-largest producer and exporter of natural gas in Europe, following Norway. The country produced more than 2.8 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) in 2012.




     




     




     







     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    ....I forgot the approaching-one probability of CLC simply not even knowing what he's ranting about...oy...   


     






     



     


    Hey Spanky, you are wrong....unless you want to diss the BBC, whom liberals worship as a news source...


     



    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28400218" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28400218" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28400218


     


    BBC News, July 22:


     


    "Some EU countries will feel the impact more than others. Russia has become a booming market for Western consumer goods in the past decade.


     


    "Germany appears especially reluctant to ratchet up sanctions. That is not surprising, as German exports to Russia totalled 38bn euros (£30bn; $51bn) in 2013 - the highest in the EU.


     


    More importantly, Germany gets more than 30% of its oil and gas from Russia. The Netherlands and Italy are also highly dependent on Russian energy and some of Russia's former Soviet bloc neighbours rely 100% on its gas deliveries."


     


    The EU's trade with Russia - worth nearly 270bn euros in 2012 - dwarfs US-Russia trade.

     
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    When caught lying about The Netherlands, CLC retorts with Germany and "some of Russia's Soveit bloc neighbors," and continues to fail to explain why he thinks The Freaking Netherlands' inability to threaten Russia has anything to do with energy supply.





    BBC: "Netherlands and Italy are highly dependent upon Russian energy"


    Read the BBC piece...energy independence is of vital national interest for the US....not to mention the tremendous boost to the economy....and the green energy zealots want to throw it away, and become dependent on Middle Eastern oil while wasting billions on expensive inefficient Government green energy boondoggles..

     
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    This isnt the first time WDYWN has called me a "liar" and I have proved him wrong...wont be the last, either. 

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4464/eu-russia" rel="nofollow">http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4464/eu-russia

    EU Leaders Divided over Russia

    Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, evidently fearful of angering Putin, has been walking on eggshells. "If I bang my fist against the table now... then I reduce the chances of the Netherlands and all those who support us getting the facts on the table," he told a news conference in The Hague.Rutte has also played down expectations that the Netherlands would support tougher EU economic sanctions against Russia or the Ukrainian separatists.

    In an interview with the New York Times, one of the main opposition leaders in the Netherlands, Alexander Pechtold, said: "We are a small country, dependent on our exports, and unlike the United States, we cannot always react from our moral high grounds. Still, if it is proven that the Russians have their fingerprints on this horrible event, we cannot look in the other direction."

    Russia is the third-largest destination for Dutch exports outside Europe after the US and China. The Netherlands is also a key tax shelter for Russia's billionaires.

     
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    When caught lying about The Netherlands, CLC retorts with Germany and "some of Russia's Soveit bloc neighbors," and continues to fail to explain why he thinks The Freaking Netherlands' inability to threaten Russia has anything to do with energy supply.

     

     




    BBC: "Netherlands and Italy are highly dependent upon Russian energy"

     

     

    Read the BBC piece...energy independence is of vital national interest for the US....not to mention the tremendous boost to the economy....and the green energy zealots want to throw it away, and become dependent on Middle Eastern oil while wasting billions on expensive inefficient Government green energy boondoggles..




    goalpost

     
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    The OP forget to credit a source or link.




    Actually..the OP didn't "forget" to credit a source or link. One is required to credit a source if one is using someone else's words. The words in my OP are my own summation and opinion of all the various things I have listened to or read about on the subject. What prompted me to write the OP today however, was a guest on the Morning Joe show.

    I rarely copy/paste other people's work. I only attach links if I am directly commenting on what's contained in a specific article. I think a discussion forum should be about people discussing subjects not throwing endless links at each other ( though as I said they have their value in certain situations).

    Anyone who wants to argue a point or debate any of the conclusions I have come to is welcome to listen to or read about the subject.

    Remember...not everything can be boiled down to a simple link.

     
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    Immediate end to fracking ??? Economic and environmental insanity..it is the only private sector economic pulse in the pathetic statist Obama economy...Green energy kooks would just love to destroy the success of this new technology..

    Look at the Netherlands;  its citizens blown out of the sky by Russian missiles...because the Dutch were good subservient "green energy" zealots, they are totally dependent on imported Russian natural gas...so they are powerless..

     

    The US is moving toward energy independence, which is a miraculous development. 





    Yeah. Look at all those environmentally insane green energy kooks with their socialist fear of Earthquakes. What kind of loser doesn't like a good quake. Only wusses and leftist envirobats don't like Earthquakes. Real job-loving red blooded Americans, why, earthquakes are afraid of them.

     

    Are you serious? 

     

    The apparent possibility that fracking wastewater disposal may trigger Earthquakes, especially in areas not built for earthquakes, and all that triggers in you is another typical rant?

     

    It's to be completely ignored because something about jobs?




    Good grief!! I guess nothing really matters to the "drill baby drill" crowd. So I wonder what the bar is for these people. Earthquakes? OK.  Obviously they are doing some damage to the earth below that is causing this...but that's okay because Gas, Oil, Profits, Jobs.

    So much for that American Exceptionalism....sigh

     
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    "Obviously they are doing some damage to the Earth below that is causing this"


     


    Really? What are you , a scientist?


     


    As we learned from the global warming issue, you are not allowed to venture an opinion on "science". From a thorough review of peer reviewed scientific papers, 99% of scientists agree fracking doesnt cause earthquakes!! (We used the same global warming science logic; because the papers didnt expressly state "fracking causes earthquakes", then they clearly agree with the scientific consensus thta fracking has no impact.


    And let's not waste any more money disagreeing with God like "science" !! What are you, a knuckle dragger?


     


    Is fracking responsible for a widely observed increase in earthquakes of 3.0 magnitudes and higher?


    Science has spoken! A 2012 report from the Department of Interior using United States Geological Survey (USGS) states


    USGS’s studies do not suggest that hydraulic fracturing, commonly known as “fracking,” causes the increased rate of earthquakes [of magnitude 3.0 and larger]. USGS’s scientists have found, however, that at some locations the increase in seismicity coincides with the injection of wastewater in deep disposal wells.
    The translation? Fracking may well cause rumbling in and around areas when the water used in it is disposed of, but it doesn't have a connection to the increase in the sorts of earthquakes people are talking about in Oklahoma and elsewhere.


    Even activists at green groups such as Clean Water Action acknowledge that fracking isn't linked to serious earthquake activity. Earlier this year after a 4.4 earthquake in Los Angeles, Mother Jones asked Andrew Grinberg of Clean Water Action about that quake's connection to fracking. "We are not saying that this quake is a result of an injection" of wastewater, Grinberg said in an article tendentiously titled "Was the Los Angeles Earthquake Caused by Fracking Techniques?"


     


     

     
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    "Obviously they are doing some damage to the Earth below that is causing this"

    Really? What are you , a scientist?

    As we learned from the global warming issue, you are not allowed to venture an opinion on "science". From a thorough review of peer reviewed scientific papers, 99% of scientists agree fracking doesnt cause earthquakes!! (We used the same global warming science logic; because the papers didnt expressly state "fracking causes earthquakes", then they clearly agree with the scientific consensus. And let's not waste any more money disagreeing with God like "science" !! What are you, a knuckle dragger?

    Is fracking responsible for a widely observed increase in earthquakes of 3.0 magnitudes and higher? A 2012 report from the Department of Interior using United States Geological Survey (USGS) states

    USGS’s studies do not suggest that hydraulic fracturing, commonly known as “fracking,” causes the increased rate of earthquakes [of magnitude 3.0 and larger]. USGS’s scientists have found, however, that at some locations the increase in seismicity coincides with the injection of wastewater in deep disposal wells.
    The translation? Fracking may well cause rumbling in and around areas when the water used in it is disposed of, but it doesn't have a connection to the increase in the sorts of earthquakes people are talking about in Oklahoma and elsewhere.

    Even activists at green groups such as Clean Water Action acknowledge that fracking isn't linked to serious earthquake activity. Earlier this year after a 4.4 earthquake in Los Angeles, Mother Jones asked Andrew Grinberg of Clean Water Action about that quake's connection to fracking. "We are not saying that this quake is a result of an injection" of wastewater, Grinberg said in an article tendentiously titled "Was the Los Angeles Earthquake Caused by Fracking Techniques?"

     


    You can't be seriously suggesting that this is a coincidence can you? I am sure the problem with the waste water pumping is now going to be examined. Personally..I think it should have been in the first place...but what do I know?

    Listen CLC..I hope your right..because if it turns out that OK gets a sizable earthquake because of the consequences of fracking..and even one life is lost...then I think that will be tragic and shameful. But again..what do I know. I am just a human being who thinks people are more important than profits.

     
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    It's just fat Oklahomans jumping down from their oversized pickup trucks.



    Apparently stereotyping IS ok now. Or does it just depend on who is doing the stereotyping? Just want to understand the rules. Thanks!




    The rules are: if you are white, male,  Caucasian, or live in the South, you are fair game for jokes regarding negative stereotypes. ( I am 4 for 4, though not a Southern native....) Some of which may actually be funny.

    Otherwise, you are a bigot, racist and hater, and it is literally a federal case,  and Eric Holder will take notice, as some Odd Fellows found out recently after a parade in a small Nebraska town...

     
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    "Obviously they are doing some damage to the Earth below that is causing this" Really? What are you , a scientist? As we learned from the global warming issue, you are not allowed to venture an opinion on "science". From a thorough review of peer reviewed scientific papers, 99% of scientists agree fracking doesnt cause earthquakes!! (We used the same global warming science logic; because the papers didnt expressly state "fracking causes earthquakes", then they clearly agree with the scientific consensus thta fracking has no impact. And let's not waste any more money disagreeing with God like "science" !! What are you, a knuckle dragger?


    Typical stupid insulting rant that CLC actually thought was clever and funny.


     




    Thanks, it was actually clever and funny, wasnt it?

     
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    The Netherlands is yet another country that went big for wind power; it is the world's third-largest producer of offshore wind power. And while no data are available about green jobs in the Netherlands, there is evidence that it will not be producing many through its green power plants. The new conservative government has radically reversed course and is slashing subsidies to wind and solar power.


    According to the journal Energy Debate, the Dutch government has lost its faith in windmills. The new government in the Netherlands has taken exception to the massive subsidies required to build and operate wind farms--and, in this case, to the expected export of €4.5 billion in subsidies to a German company (Bard Engineering) that would have built, owned, and operated those wind farms. The new prime minister of the Netherlands, Mark Rutte, is reported to have said, "Windmills turn on subsidies."[28]


    On November 30, 2010, the government unveiled its new renewables plan, slashing annual subsidies from €4 billion to €1.5 billion. And not only are the subsidies cut back, what remains will be redirected well away from wind power.The irony here is rich. The Dutch, who have been enamored of wind power for hundreds of years,[31] may have finally had enough tilting at windmills. If even they cannot make it work, one has to wonder if anyone can.


    The fact is the Dutch fear the Russian energy clout, and their green energy subsidies have been a massive failure, as is true throughout Europe

     
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    The Netherlands is yet another country that went big for wind power; it is the world's third-largest producer of offshore wind power. And while no data are available about green jobs in the Netherlands, there is evidence that it will not be producing many through its green power plants. The new conservative government has radically reversed course and is slashing subsidies to wind and solar power.

     

    According to the journal Energy Debate, the Dutch government has lost its faith in windmills. The new government in the Netherlands has taken exception to the massive subsidies required to build and operate wind farms--and, in this case, to the expected export of €4.5 billion in subsidies to a German company (Bard Engineering) that would have built, owned, and operated those wind farms. The new prime minister of the Netherlands, Mark Rutte, is reported to have said, "Windmills turn on subsidies."[28]

     

    On November 30, 2010, the government unveiled its new renewables plan, slashing annual subsidies from €4 billion to €1.5 billion. And not only are the subsidies cut back, what remains will be redirected well away from wind power.The irony here is rich. The Dutch, who have been enamored of wind power for hundreds of years,[31] may have finally had enough tilting at windmills. If even they cannot make it work, one has to wonder if anyone can.

     

    The fact is the Dutch fear the Russian energy clout, and their green energy subsidies have been a massive failure, as is true throughout Europe



    Newsflash spanky ... the Dutch have been harnessing windpower for centuries.

    Geepers, when you get caught lying to just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.

    It's hilarious to watch how clueless you are ... especially when your wild-eyed rants get completely shredded.

    Maybe this will help:

     

    windmill

     
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    Oklahoma...the Fracking capitol of the US has been experiencing a record amount of seismic activity and the problem is only getting worse.


     


    On a morning news show this morning, an environmental expert says as this rate, OK can expect  at least a moderate event ( over 5.0) in the near future. This is particularly troubling since the OK infrastructure is not really built to withstand an event of this magnitude without significant damage.


     


    It is becoming more widely believed that the uptick in seismic activity can be traced to the increased amount of fracking that is being done by..you guessed it..the oil and gas industry. The issue, experts now believe, is not the fracking itself, but the disposal process of the vast amounts of waste water created by the process.  Experts are now starting to believe that this water, which is pumped into wells thousands of feet below the surface could be lubricating fault lines...speeding up the natural process and leading to the increase in the number of measurable earthquakes in the state..all by the way within a 400 mile radius of the fracking activity.


     


    Residents of this area of OK are understandably very concerned. Our leaders should call for an immediate suspension of all fracking activity until complete environmental consequences can be studied.


     


    Better yet...let's start being serious about alternative energy sources...because  when you continuously poke mother nature...she sometimes pokes back with a vengeance.


     


    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)




    Fracking goes on all over the country and the world. If it has something to do with earthquakes in OK, what is so special about OK that earthquakes only occur there? Or do they also occur elsewhere?


     

     
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    Re: Unprecedented Earthquake Activity in Oklahoma

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:

    It's just fat Oklahomans jumping down from their oversized pickup trucks.



    Apparently stereotyping IS ok now. Or does it just depend on who is doing the stereotyping? Just want to understand the rules. Thanks!




    The rules are: if you are white, male,  Caucasian, or live in the South, you are fair game for jokes regarding negative stereotypes. ( I am 4 for 4, though not a Southern native....) Some of which may actually be funny.

    Otherwise, you are a bigot, racist and hater, and it is literally a federal case,  and Eric Holder will take notice, as some Odd Fellows found out recently after a parade in a small Nebraska town...



    Or maybe I was referring to my brother in law.  I call the state where I grew up, "Land of the Big People".  If you ever go there, I promise you will quickly notice how big the people are.  Then you'll notice the preponderance of fast food places with drive thru windows.  And then you'll notice all of the cardiac clinics.  And you will notice how low gas prices are.  My favorite place was the self service gas station that sold fried food - French fries, fried chicken, fried chicken gizzards, fried pies - and single cans of beer sitting in ice next to the cash register.  Oh, and a sign on the door that said, EBT cards not accepted.  The place was located across the street from a military base.

     
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