U.S. Talks Tough on Syria, Ramps Up Attack Planning

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    Saddam was not threatening his neighbours and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran."

     

     




    So saddam wasnt shooting scud missles in Israel?

     

     

    He wasn't killing Kurds??

    He wasn't torturing the shiite majority???

    He was a freaking saint to those that hated bush lmao

     

     




     

    Newsflash dipstick, none of your 'reasons' were posited as the primary reason to invade Iraq. Ya don't get to just throw around arbitrary bullstuff after your argument has shot to pieces.

    That's exactly the problem with trying to engage you idiots in any sunstantive argument.

    Once your opinion has been thoroughly discreditted and debunked you just start babbling bullstuff completely unrelated to your original argument. Ya'll just garb those goalposts and drag them off to whatever new field you want whilst muttering about those dang libruls.

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    lol, go read the congressional authorization written by the majority in congress for why they supported ousting saddam.

    WMD's was only one reason and not by any means listed as "without this we shouldn't do it".

    go ahead I dare you!

     
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    You were defending this "British intel" about WMDs and claiming that Britain still stands by it, yadda yadda, in order to Praise Bush.

    ACC shot you down.

     




    http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/u/uraniumyellowcake.htm

    http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2010/12/09/the_wikileaks_vindication_of_george_w_bush/page/full

     

     
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    http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2010/12/09/the_wikileaks_vindication_of_george_w_bush/page/full

    http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/u/uraniumyellowcake.htm

     

     
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    WMD's was only one reason and not by any means listed as "without this we shouldn't do it". 

    Goal posts. goal posts. goal posts.

     

    The war was sold to the U.S. on a claim of "WMDs WMDs WMDs."

    Stop lying and distracting. What is this obsession with defending everything the R does no matter what, Mr. Bipartisan?

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     I agree to the uninformed voters you are correct but, to those that took the time to read what was actually agreed upon and voted on and why authorization was given it's a much different story

     
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     Thanks for making my point!!

    If ya can't trust your own sources who can you trust?

    A CBS report said, "And, in a symbolic way, the mission linked the current attempts to stabilize Iraq with some of the high-profile claims about Saddam's weapons capabilities in the buildup to the 2003 invasion.  Accusations that Saddam had tried to purchase more yellowcake from the African nation of Niger - and an article by a former U.S. ambassador refuting the claims - led to a wide-ranging probe into Washington leaks that reached high into the Bush administration."

    The news report went on to say that the yellowcake "had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991.

     



    lol HE HAD YELLOW CAKE URANIUM <<<<<WMD material and the wikileaked documents show that he was just waiting for the heat to blow over!

    Just as everyone knew then but, it all changed once the media and left had time to start thinking about elections instead of whats best for the country.

     

     
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     I agree to the uninformed voters you are correct but, to those that took the time to read what was actually agreed upon and voted on and why authorization was given it's a much different story



    Can you read?

    I'm talking about what the Bush admin sold the war to the U.S. on. The U.S. being all 300,000,000 of us.

    You're focused like a lazer on an authorization because you know I'm right. The public argument was "WMDs!"

    Whether he included any fine print in the authorization is irrelevant to that ponit.

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    That's you mentality. You take snippets from the news media and say "see he said it right there"!!

    Read the actual autthorization for ousting saddam approved by congress which is the only document that matters becuase Bush/republicans can say anything and the media can make any snipet front page news but, some people actually read these things and know the whole story and are not uninformed voters that rely on the media to tell them what they need to know.

     

     
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    http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2010/12/09/the_wikileaks_vindication_of_george_w_bush/page/full

    “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
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    Can you read?

    I'm talking about what the Bush admin sold the war to the U.S. on. The U.S. being all 300,000,000 of us.

    You're focused like a laser on an authorization because you know I'm right. The public argument was "WMDs!"

    Whether he included any fine print in the authorization is irrelevant to that point.

     




    That's you mentality. You take snippets from the news media and say "see he said it right there"!!

     

    Read the actual autthorization for ousting saddam approved by congress which is the only document that matters becuase Bush/republicans can say anything and the media can make any snipet front page news but, some people actually read these things and know the whole story and are not uninformed voters that rely on the media to tell them what they need to know.

     
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    So you do not believe Obama should consult Congress before attacking another country that represents no threat to our national security?

    Interesting....

     



    You chose to miss the point.

     


    Uninteresting....

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    Oh do you mean I missed the "your guy did it too" bullshiite? I thought you had a brain. Guess I misoverestimated you.

     

     
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    ACC >The debate over Iraq wasn't about the PotUS right to use military force, it was over the duplicitous way that they sold the American public on the justification for war.

    I wish all these people that knew there were no WMD had told us.

    I was in a sad, scared mode at the time !

    We are having the same creditable mode today.

    The Dome at work.

     

     




     

    Some people did 'tell us' and the Bush admin attacked them, forcing a CIA operative to lose her job.

    You don't remember former Ambassador Wilson and his debunking of the Niger yellowcake baloney, his wife Valerie Plame being outed from her CIA job as a consequence and Scooter Libby convicted of being involved in all of it?

     

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    Scooter Libby was not convicted of being involved with it. He was convicted of lying to the FBA or something like that.

    In the end we found out it was ARmitage that outed the desk jockey Plame, not Libby as you imply.

    Plus you may want to forget the fact the chemical weapons were used on US forces in Fallujah. I thought the UN destroyed them all?

     
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    I think we should sit this one out unless it is truly a limited UN operaton.

    Didn't we go into Iraq because of WMD's, and because over the years Sadham had used them on hundreds of thousands of its ciitzens.  Well we went in Iraq and took out a stable government, eventually a very bad guy was put to death, we didn't find the WMD's which intelligence said were transfered to Syria.  Iraq is still a mess after thousands of soldiers lost and hundreds of billions spent.

    Going to Syria may seem like its the humanitatrian thing to do, but then what?  After a no fly zone, or carpet bombing thier military airfields, what do we do next and who do we side with?  I think we let the Saudis' and Turkey help their brothers and we should stay out except for food aid later.

     

    ...the man who really counts in the world is the doer,...  TR 1891

     
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    Any attack has been postphoned... until after the 2014 elections.

     

     
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    A consulate is attacked at 1 am - or an ally invaded by an aggressor - and congress is at home, in bed. Or on summer recess. What does the President do?

    It isn't "your guy did it to", it's "all the guys did it and there's a good reason for it."



    This is a 2 year old civil war not an attack at 1 am.

    We have a few things called  select committees like, foreign relations, armed forces, national security etc.

    We know he doesn't respond to consulate attacks anyway.

     
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    First of all, chemical weapons in Iraq were used a quarter of a century before we invaded.

    Second, Iraq wasn't in an open civil war. No because saddam had disarmed the shiites and was systematically troturing and enslaving them.

    Third, WMD's were an excuse for the invasion with no verifiable evidence, and it proved to be a fool's errand.

    Read the documents published by wikileaks which verifys that there were WMD's, yellow cake was found and weapons were shipped to syria to await the heat to die down (sanctions) so that saddam with his baathist bretheren in syria could restart the program.

    Fourth, only the neo-con idiots were the ones squawking about WMD's to Syria. That was another irresponsible and unsubstantiated attempt at covering their abject failure in Iraq. The WMD's that the US gave Iraq were a quarter of a century old and unstable, unusable and impotent. ^^^^ just babble and a partisan rant with no meaning or substance.

    Finally, there is no 'right' answer but there are some compelling reasons to at least provide stand-off military support such as cruise missles, indirect fire etc.

    What will cruise missles and a few bombs accomplish besides more civilian casualties and more bad relations between us and other countries? really what??

    With the weapons available today, intervention does not have to include boots on the ground.

    weapons like carpet bombing or like using guided missles in civilian population centers?

    Syria is a mess and if, we were going to get involved we should have done it long ago, to do so now is senseless and reactionary to save face only.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

     

    5 formal declarations of war by congress

    13 military engagements authorized by congress

    7 authorized by UN

     

    At least 125 military engagements not authorized, starting in 1840 (military vs. apache).

     The usual suspects are squealing because it's Obama, and not at all because of history or constitutionality.



    psst no body really cares that obama did it too. you are the only one harping on defense of it.

     
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