Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming

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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : Hey,  I brought the facts.  Three of the biggest global warming/environment leaders, all socialists/marxists.  There are more, many more. I left out the countless articles from the communist online site, where they are OUT IN THE OPEN ABOUT USING GLOBAL WARMING TO LEAD THE WORLD TOWARDS SOCIALISM. Drop the scales from your eyes.
    Posted by skeeter20


    Try the scientific community.  You are mixing up the political uses of the information with the scientific theory.  Drop the scales from your eyes: science is a good thing, we ignore it at our peril.
     
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    Last but not least, last summer I debated a neighbor on Obamacare. I claimed that it was a major step towards socialism and socialized medicine.  The neighbor vehemently disagreed that it was not evil socialism or socialized medicine.  He angrily followed that Obama and the Democrats were not socialists! Then after I proved key points, he ended the debate with "Well, I like socialism.  I think socialized medicine is the way to go."
    Posted by OscarBozachT00


    Yah,  I get that typical progressive dodge.  Face it, the liberals think the means of production need to be in the hands of the governemnt:  Obamacare, GM, Cap and Trade, the financial industry, every other company that has a hand out, is now effectively having their product, pricing, and wages set by the government, at some level, in some part, for many, this control will only increase.  this is what is meant by controlling the means of production, i.e. socialism, and Obama is without a doubt expanding the government control of the means of production.  It was nto meant to be so.
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : Reuben, I listed six facts.... you drew the conclusion they form a conspiracy. There are no "facts" behind man-made global warming.   That is why Al Gore declared the theory conclusive back in 1989 ... before a single major study had been conducted.  Because the facts didn't matter, only the outcome... "the ends justify the means." Reuben, why did you think Al Gore called man-made global warming a fact back in 1989 and said "the debate is over?"  I would like to hear your explaination to this bizarre statement.  Although, as a Saul Alinsky liberal, you are taught never to answer a question that exposes you as a fraud.
    Posted by OscarBozachT00


    No they were not facts: they were assertions, opinions and theories, but they were not facts.  You say there is a conspiracy going on but you refuse to prove it. Are you just dim or do you have an conspiratorial agenda?  
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : No they were not facts: they were assertions, opinions and theories, but they were not facts.  You say there is a conspiracy going on but you refuse to prove it. Are you just dim or do you have an conspiratorial agenda?  
    Posted by Reubenhop


    So are you saying that if I provide the information not reported to you that back up those 6 facts... you will concede that man-made global warming is a hoax?

    (See my post 5 posts back to see how this liberal do-se-do turns out.)
     
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    I love Global Warming.

    It is literally the topic that writes itself.  All one needs to do is look around the globe at extreme weather increasing in both frequency and force to understand the issue and shut up the ostriches like oscar.

    The republican party is still the only major political party worldwide that denies what everyone else already knows.
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : Try the scientific community.  You are mixing up the political uses of the information with the scientific theory.  Drop the scales from your eyes: science is a good thing, we ignore it at our peril.
    Posted by Reubenhop


    Ruben, do you ever stay on point?

    Where did I say science is not a good thing?  It is a gift from God, being misused by the global alarmists.
     
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    This is so boring, going over the same old theological points of global warming.  It is critical to the progressive mind that global warming not only be real, but man-made.  It might be real, but man's influence on the universe is far smaller than progressive imagine.
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : Ruben, do you ever stay on point? Where did I say science is not a good thing?  It is a gift from God, being misused by the global alarmists.
    Posted by skeeter20


    Tell that to the wacked-out creationists who think that men kept dinosaurs as pets and that earth is somehow only 6000 years old....

    And it's not "alarmist" to report the facts - rationally and without emotional baggage - as determined via the scientific method.

    To me, the only real questions relate to how do we deal with the problem that has already been proven to exist...other than sit here and do nothing, which is what the science-deniers want us to do....
     
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    Last but not least, last summer I debated a neighbor on Obamacare. I claimed that it was a major step towards socialism and socialized medicine.  The neighbor vehemently disagreed that it was not evil socialism or socialized medicine.  He angrily followed that Obama and the Democrats were not socialists! Then after I proved key points, he ended the debate with "Well, I like socialism.  I think socialized medicine is the way to go."
    Posted by OscarBozachT00


    Your neighbor was wrong, because you made a bad argument and he agreed without, not realizing your premises were faulty. Being socialist isn't like being pregnant. Every economy in the western world uses elements of free market and elements of socialism. So believing in one government program, while supporting a predominatly free market with reasonable regulations, doesn't a socialist make.

    And regarding your above statements. Everyone knows about "climategate", but a lot of people disagree over its broader implications and what it really meant. Just because you get your information exclusively from right wing radio and fox, doesn't make you right about that. In fact, I'd argue, you are so emotionally opposed to liberalism, so aggressive in your sweeping generalizations about liberals, that deep down this is because you have some amount of doubt about your own beliefs. I am totally open to global warming not being man driven. There isn't much data to support that position at the moment, but I would love to learn that we are in a better position environmentally than we previously thought. However, the stakes are so high, I think its important not to succumb instantly to the fox news frenzy against warming. Fact is, you can cherry pick data to support pretty much any argument. And my impression of you, is that what you and the people on the right are doing on this issue.
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : Yah,  I get that typical progressive dodge.  Face it, the liberals think the means of production need to be in the hands of the governemnt:  Obamacare, GM, Cap and Trade, the financial industry, every other company that has a hand out, is now effectively having their product, pricing, and wages set by the government, at some level, in some part, for many, this control will only increase.  this is what is meant by controlling the means of production, i.e. socialism, and Obama is without a doubt expanding the government control of the means of production.  It was nto meant to be so.
    Posted by skeeter20


    Skeeter, you wouldn't know socialism if it put you in a gulag and sang Gosudarstvenniy Gimn SSSR for twelve straight hours. Your oversimplification of the liberal position is just astounding.  It would be like me saying conservatives really all just hate black and poor people.
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : See Bill.the.cat's creative science for a good example of how global warming scaremongers destroy science to promote the agenda. Combine such tactics with what we hear from the UN IPCC leader Oscar linked to and it is no wonder that someone mught think that there is an agenda other than preventing global warming: Such was originally published by Germany's NZZ Online Sunday, and reprinted in English by the Global Warming Policy Foundation moments ago: (NZZ AM SONNTAG): The new thing about your proposal for a Global Deal is the stress on the importance of development policy for climate policy. Until now, many think of aid when they hear development policies. (OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all. (NZZ): That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know. (EDENHOFER): Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil. (NZZ): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy. (EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole. -------------------- I love the way these lunatics call buying commodities for sale on the open market "expropriation". I suppose that when the Chinese government enters long term contracts for coal or oil in Africa and send their troops in to run the deal then that is no longer "expropiation" but  "social and economic justice" for the People's Republic!
    Posted by Newtster


    So, environmental policy is simply a method to distribute the wealth? i.e. the agenda is controlled by socialists who want to redistrute the wealth in the name of clean air?

    Will someone please tell the progressives on this forum?
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : So, environmental policy is simply a method to distribute the wealth?
    Posted by skeeter20



    SKEETER20 WROTE: " So, environmental policy is simply a method to distribute the wealth?"

    RESPONSE:  Yes... that is all it has ever been.  From day one until now... it was a vehicle for redistrubution of wealth... i.e. socialism.  That is why Al Gore declared the theory conclusive back in 1989... not because it was true... but because it fit his socialist agenda... so he declared it true.
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : I don't know if re-distribution of wealth is socialism, but it is theft anyway. Regardless, the clue to me that they really don't give a bleep about combatting climate change is that they never talk about building dams to hold back rising oceans (like the do in the Netherlands). They never give up on the CO2 bullshiite.
    Posted by Newtster


    Well there were a lot of Republicans on board with their own idea of cap and trade to deal with some of the environmental issues at at hand. The only reason for the flip was that the President embraced cap and trade in his policy agenda.

    http://washingtonindependent.com/32707/gopers-flip-on-cap-and-trade
    I still believe the whole push against started the absolute moment Al Gore put in an effort to bring attention to the issue. It was the same with cap and trade....its not that the science is wrong or right...its a way to make it a political kickball.

     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : Well there were a lot of Republicans on board with their own idea of cap and trade to deal with some of the environmental issues at at hand. The only reason for the flip was that the President embraced cap and trade in his policy agenda. http://washingtonindependent.com/32707/gopers-flip-on-cap-and-trade I still believe the whole push against started the absolute moment Al Gore put in an effort to bring attention to the issue. It was the same with cap and trade....its not that the science is wrong or right...its a way to make it a political kickball.
    Posted by PS911fan


    Funny thing about Al Gore is that he is now saying Ethanol is bad.

    That he voted for Ethanol in 94 just for political reasons.

    Turns out when some people said ethanol was bad, would not help, would make the price of food and fuel higher Al Gore knew it.

    But he still voted for it, why? Well it made some people feel good and that is really all that matters not if it really works or anything.

    So now we pay more for food, get worse gas MPG's and as a bonus it hurts the engines so that they don't last as long.

    And now we are to belive Gore this ok then.
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : So are you saying that if I provide the information not reported to you that back up those 6 facts... you will concede that man-made global warming is a hoax? (See my post 5 posts back to see how this liberal do-se-do turns out.)
    Posted by OscarBozachT00


    If the information is valid I will reconsider my position. I am not an unthinking ideologue.  Please do show how the vast majority of climatologists are involved in a socialist conspiracy to perpetuate the global warming "hoax".   This should be amusing...
     
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    This is so boring, going over the same old theological points of global warming.  It is critical to the progressive mind that global warming not only be real, but man-made.  It might be real, but man's influence on the universe is far smaller than progressive imagine.
    Posted by skeeter20


    Sure Skeets, we can destroy the globe 100 times over, but we have no influence.  God people are so limited in their thought processes.
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : Well there were a lot of Republicans on board with their own idea of cap and trade to deal with some of the environmental issues at at hand. The only reason for the flip was that the President embraced cap and trade in his policy agenda. http://washingtonindependent.com/32707/gopers-flip-on-cap-and-trade I still believe the whole push against started the absolute moment Al Gore put in an effort to bring attention to the issue. It was the same with cap and trade....its not that the science is wrong or right...its a way to make it a political kickball.
    Posted by PS911fan


    Bingo!  The lunatic fringe can't simply have an argument about the politics of climate change, they have to attack the very (scientific) idea of climate change.  When they do this they make a legitimate debate into comedic farce.
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : Oh, a Republican went along with the charade. I think I'll change my mind now! Curious that ALL Democrat and Republican Senators voted against the Kyoto Protocol when Democrat Clinton was President. And even when Democrats control a majority of House and Senate today - cap and trade is toast. I see you speak the language of junk science practiced by the global warmers: "cap and trade to deal with some of the environmental issues at at hand" Limiting CO2 emissions has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ENVIRONMENT! You either never took a chemistry course in your life or you are more of a liar than Bernie Madoff. OK, I'll slack off and say that in your ignorance and meaning to do well, you have fallen for the scientific charade pulled off by the global warming zealots. They show you a picture of a smoke stack or a traffic jam in smog and appeal to your sense of wanting to have some clean air to breathe.  CO2 is not pollution. Smog is caused by unburned hydrocarbons and ozone - has nothing to do with CO2. Pollution is stuff like PCB's, pesticides, nitrous oxides, sulfur dioxide, etc. Limiting CO2 will do nothing to limit pollution, nevermind whether or not it does anything to mitigate climate change. I'm a chemist by education (and a decade of experience before I decided that potential exposure to stuff like dioxin as a chemist was not worth it). The lies told by the global warming scaremongers about environmental chemistry are outrageous.
    Posted by Newtster


    Wow, big bad "scientist" gets a chance to unload on someone  who has already posted that he was not up on all the science ....im shaking as you show us that you are a legend in your own twisted mind......science guy lite..

    From my limited reading and what i have gleaned is that you are on one side, the minority side on the shrinking debate on man made emissions. However you post some things I can't say are right, wrong, political, or up for debate. I do have a resource who works with trying to sequester CO2 (oh for some reason since its not an issue but the compamy she works for seems to spend a good amount of resources tring o work this process.... I can ask about this so I will inquire to see the reasons about CO2 then hit them with Newster's take.

    I'm sure the CEO will say, why didn't anyone tell me Newster said CO2 isn't a problem.Why I will shut our operation down and apologize profusely to Newster for our insolence and ignorance and hubris. We will tear up our years of work and fire our experts on this area of science....and go with da Newster's ideas.

    Well, at least thats a possible Newster twisted sci-fantasy.........ya gots ta wonder about these RW'ers LOL
     
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    An episode of Newster the Science Guy

    Posted by Newtster


    Jokes aside, your hyperbole filled science screed, right or wrong, still doesn't explain how the GOP chose this to play political footbal...your screed doesn't wipe that out at all...

    the magic meme is "IOKIYAR" - "It's OK If You're A Repig-lican"

    (aka Republican, Idiot, Inbred Moron, etc.)
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : Well there were a lot of Republicans on board with their own idea of cap and trade to deal with some of the environmental issues at at hand. The only reason for the flip was that the President embraced cap and trade in his policy agenda. http://washingtonindependent.com/32707/gopers-flip-on-cap-and-trade I still believe the whole push against started the absolute moment Al Gore put in an effort to bring attention to the issue. It was the same with cap and trade....its not that the science is wrong or right...its a way to make it a political kickball.
    Posted by PS911fan


    The Republican part is filled with progressives (leftists) who would sell out the country as quickly as any Democrat.  Who are they? McCain, Gregg, Richard Lugar, Corker, Martinez, Snowe, Collins and Specter.

    Oh ... and these are the same nine bozos who considered backing "cap and trade."
     
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    In Response to Re: Vindicated... told ya so - Climate Change aka Global Warming : I don't know if re-distribution of wealth is socialism, but it is theft anyway. Regardless, the clue to me that they really don't give a bleep about combatting climate change is that they never talk about building dams to hold back rising oceans (like the do in the Netherlands). They never give up on the CO2 bullshiite.
    Posted by Newtster


    It becomes socialism when you realizethat the government maintains the control of the assets through legislation.
     
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