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    Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound...

    ...or is it an "unfunded mandate"?

    Who pays?

    Who should?
     
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    Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound...

    The patient will pay for this medically unnecessary procedure.  And the conservatives will applaud it even as they decry the idea of the state mandating that people should pay for medical coverage in Obamacare.  They get to define what rights are worth protecting.
     
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    Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound...

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    [QUOTE]The patient will pay for this medically unnecessary procedure.  And the conservatives will applaud it even as they decry the idea of the state mandating that people should pay for medical coverage in Obamacare.  They get to define what rights are worth protecting.
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    You are no better position to determine something is medically necessary or unnecessary than I am.  I think maybe that's a decision that should be left up to the physician.  

    If this is a procedure is part of a medical visit, shouldn't the patients insurance should cover?  Some policies cover this.  So what if the patient doesn't have insurance or their coverage is inadequate?  That's a difficult question to answer.  But take 30 seconds and look up "under-insured" or "uninsured family planning" in VA and you'll find options for low cost clinics that provide these services for an extremely reduced rate.  

    All that aside, this should never be part of lawmaking.
     
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    Liberals shouldnt bring up the issue of funding.
    Despite federal law supposedly prohibiting taxpayer dollars being used for abortions,  Planned Parenthood takes your tax dollars to  to perform abortions.
    Abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood continue to receive hundreds of millions of tax dollars every year under Title X, which subsidizes their overhead for promoting abortion as they divert more and more resources towards the killing of the unborn.

       In 2010, Planned Parenthood revealed a total income of $1.1 billion. Taxpayers shelled out $363 million to pad the abortion provider's bottom line through federal and state grants and contracts (or 33% of its entire income).

       All the while, Planned Parenthood cut back non-abortion related programs like adoption, breast cancer screening and infertility treatment, and demanded that all its affiliate centers offer surgical abortion.

     
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    In Response to Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound...:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound... : Hey spanky, what's your point? Apparently you whacko wingnuts fail to see the stupidity of YOUR arguments. On every thread about this topic you morons keep yelping about how 'mandates' drive up the costs of healthcare and when someone sarcastically turns the tables on your argument you get all defensive and start the "Ya but..." baloney. Ya'll are a bunch of pathetic poltroons who want to selectively use gov't to intervene in people's lives yet get all constipated if anyone else suggests the same. You wingnuts are the epitome of hypocrisy.
    Posted by airborne-rgr[/QUOTE]

    I do think that the government should pay for some more meds, to control your anger management issues...
     
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    Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound...

    It's a done deal.  It's law.  I offered no argument above.  There is no more arguing.   

    The only remaining question is, who pays?  It's either insurance or the state.  In the rush to make it happen, was it even specified (or an unfunded mandate)?  The question must be answered, if not here. 

    The Virginian is boasting about it and about his governor for personally making it happen.  Can you tell us Yankees who will pay?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound... : You are no better position to determine something is medically necessary or unnecessary than I am.  I think maybe that's a decision that should be left up to the physician.   If this is a procedure is part of a medical visit, shouldn't the patients insurance should cover?  Some policies cover this.  So what if the patient doesn't have insurance or their coverage is inadequate?  That's a difficult question to answer.  But take 30 seconds and look up "under-insured" or "uninsured family planning" in VA and you'll find options for low cost clinics that provide these services for an extremely reduced rate.   All that aside, this should never be part of lawmaking.
    Posted by Rushfan2112[/QUOTE]

    Of course, the patient in consultation with her doctor should make this kind of decision.  That is why it is absurd for conservatives who claim to want a limited government to allow government to mandate certain treatments. But it is about abortion and conservatives don't like that part of individual choice so they bend their rules. The end justifes the means...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound... : Of course, the patient in consultation with her doctor should make this kind of decision. That is why it is absurd for liberals who claim to want a limited government when it comes to abortion to allow government to interfere in other treatments. But it is about  redistribution of wealth and, outside of abortion,  liberals don't like that part of individual choice so they bend their rules. The end justifes the means...
    Posted by Newtster[/QUOTE]

    You want to give an example of one of the treatments that liberals are trying to intefere with?  Last I checked liberals were trying to insure that more people would have access to treatment something your lot says is a loss of "freedom". 
    I guess that is "freedom" to die from a lack of treatment or be bankrupted by same.  Some "freedom".  

    And what's wrong with a little redistribution of wealth so the common good can be supported? We having been doing that since civilization first started. You really are retrograde if you want to go beyond that.
     
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    [QUOTE]No one should pay for the ultrasound, unless the woman having an abortion wants one for some unknown reason. Then SHE should pay for it. The state has no business getting involved at that level. Oh, but NOW you are worried about an unfunded mandate? That is the M.O. of Central Planning nanny state liberals. We didn't get to $15 trillion in debt by accident, not that it is all from your Ponzi Sceme social programs that do not work. Total hypocrites, but what else is new? Liberals delight in authorizing government intervention in every other medical procedure, but when it comes to abortion suddenly they are zealous about the Constitution. Total hypocrites, but what else is new? The liberals whine and complain about religious  conservative politicians forcing their morality on them, yet when it comes to contraceptives, the liberals want to force their morals on others. Oh, I forgot, you guys are so smart that YOU get to decide what morals can be shoved down someone else's throat. Total hypocrites, but what else is new?
    Posted by Newtster[/QUOTE]


    Your making liberal heads explode.

    You are right on.  

    Procedure not necessary.

    Should not be paid for.

    Should not have government controlled health care.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound... : Your making liberal heads explode. You are right on.   Procedure not necessary. Should not be paid for. Should not have government controlled health care.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    Heads explode? No.  Just frustration over the lack of an intelligent response.  I am still optomistic that most conservatives can engage in rational thought.

    But glad that you oppose this action by Virginia: a government requirement to mandate (unnecessary) medical procedures SHOULD offend your conservative sensibilities. Maybe there is hope for you after all. But you will back away: your personal morality will trump your supposed rights agenda, just like on the pro-choice discussion. You get to pick the rights and the choices.
     
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    Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound...

    Over 20 states require an ultrasound as part of an abortion procedure, in one way or another. Mostly to make sure the age of the fetus.
    7 other states have the exact same requirement as Virginia.

    Informed consent is a legal requirement for medical treatment.
    Ultrasounds are almost always necessary anyway , to determine the age of the fetus. Even a few liberals grudgingly agree that you shoudnt abort after the fetus is 6 months or so (it  is the law).

    The Virginia ultrasound requirement only gives women informed consent by letting them know they can look at the ultrasound. Women have the choice to see it. Planned Parenthood often denied woman a look at the ultrasound.

    Liberals  claim they are in favor of "choice", and also claim they are infavor of more information being given to patients. Yet somehow they balk at this basic requirement. 
     
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    [QUOTE]n Response to Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound... : Psst. Dead horse. Next, "important thing"?
    Posted by GreginMeffa[/QUOTE]

    GreginMeffa, thank you for the reminder.  The question was last put four days ago.

    Virginian: Who pays?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound... : You want to give an example of one of the treatments that liberals are trying to intefere with?  Last I checked liberals were trying to insure that more people would have access to treatment something your lot says is a loss of "freedom".  I guess that is "freedom" to die from a lack of treatment or be bankrupted by same.  Some "freedom".   And what's wrong with a little redistribution of wealth so the common good can be supported? We having been doing that since civilization first started. You really are retrograde if you want to go beyond that.
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    I don't believe anyone has said "having access" to health care is a loss of freedom. I believe people have been saying "being forced" (read mandate) to have coverage is a "loss of freedom". Very different things.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound... : Heads explode? No.  Just frustration over the lack of an intelligent response.  I am still optomistic that most conservatives can engage in rational thought. But glad that you oppose this action by Virginia: a government requirement to mandate (unnecessary) medical procedures SHOULD offend your conservative sensibilities. Maybe there is hope for you after all. But you will back away: your personal morality will trump your supposed rights agenda, just like on the pro-choice discussion. You get to pick the rights and the choices.
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    On the whole issue:  Ridiculous.  Abortion is law of the land, despite my opposition.  However, abortion, except in rare cases, is not medically necessary, therefore, should not be covered by any healthplan or government program.

    On government paying for whatever:  Government should not be involved in medical care, period.  Start to unwind this mess, medicare, medicaid, obama care, before it crushes our ability to do anything.

    Let's not make everyone suffer equally.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Virginian(s), will you pay for the state-mandated non-invasive ultrasound... : Soooo, you're response is "Let them eat cake"? Funny when you were complaining about a rise in YOUR healthcare costs and I told YOU to get a new job, you got all huffy-puffy and downright obstinate. Your argument was along the lines of "I shouldn't have to..." I guess when it's other people's problem your 'advice' is much easier. You just tell them to do what you shouldn't have to, in order to get comprehensive coverage.
    Posted by airborne-rgr[/QUOTE]

    Airhead, it is Obama who is saying let them eat cake.

    Whe will Obama's war on people stop?
     
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