Was Mr. Limbaugh's "s!ut...prostitute" his "nappy-haired ho" moment?

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    In Response to Re: Was Mr. Limbaugh's "s!ut...prostitute" his "nappy-haired ho" moment?:
    [QUOTE]Bob, we knew you ate out of Rush's hand anyway. Of course it's enough for you that he called it a "sincere" apology. For those who are not brainwashed or brainless, it's quite obviously not an apology. One does not apologize by saying "sorry" and then spending three paragraphs explaining why one was right to say what one said. A genuine apology is not followed by excuses and justifications. A genuine apology is not motivated by sponsors and advertisers dropping you.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    Despite my screen name and people incorrectly assuming I am a Limbaugh fan, I know two things about the guy. (1) He's a recovering? addict, and (2) He stepped into a mess with this matter.  That said, who are you or anyone else to decide if he's sincere or not, and who cares?  He apologized.  Would you rather he left "sincerely" out of it?

    "My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices."


    The man makes his living as a journalist/entertainer or whatever talk show hosts call themselves.  The right to say something is his bread and butter, and that right should be very important to everyone.  So while his explanation may not suit you, he felt it was necessary to provide some context and he did.  Move on.

     
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Was Mr. Limbaugh's "s!ut...prostitute" his "nappy-haired ho" moment? : And who are you to tell me to move on? lol... Since he is doing it publicly, any member of the public is someone "to decide" what they think of what he is saying.  So what makes me one "to decide" is that I have ears and eyeballs. He is big fat lying idiot who regularly goes on offensive and idiotic diatribes. He just said yet another idiotic and insulting thing. Either way, I stand by my points as to that part. He isn't sorry about the substance of what he said. He's just sorry he said it. Because advertisers are pulling out. A sincere apology is "sorry; I recognize that was wrong because X,Y,Z" and that's where it stops. [Edit:  Funny enough, Slate now has it's own break-down of the "apology"] “For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. [Don’t lead with self-congratulation. If you’re aiming for self-pity, that’s also not the way to start an apology. After all, you’re not making the case that your remarks were the result of sleep deprivation or a medical crisis caused by overwork. Underlining that you get paid millions of dollars to sit in front of a microphone 15 hours a week does not create sympathy.]   In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. [This wasn’t an errant remark, but a three-day attack. You pretty much ran through a thesaurus’ worth of synonyms to characterize Ms. Fluke, and you make your living choosing words. An apology should not drip with insincerity.] I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke. [This is false on its face, so not a good strategy.] “I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. [As your hero, Ronald Reagan so memorably said, ” There you go again .” When you’re apologizing for a personal attack – see paragraph above – don’t a) bring in the desperate times we live in, and b) remind that you are obsessed with the personal sexual activities of the woman you’ve accused of being a prostitute.]  I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities.  [But you’re the one who suggested paying Ms. Fluke to watch her have sex. And as she notes, students pay for their private health insurance. She was in favor of the new provision in the law that would allow contraceptives to be provided directly to the insured regardless of the religious affilation of the school or employer. In an apology you don't escalate your previous mischaracterization.] What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? [Indeed, this is why you’re now having to apologize. You need to actually take responsibility for your remarks and acknowledge you’ve crossed the line.] If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? [Again, don’t try to deflect from what you did with vague policy hand-wringing that only reminds that if your remarks become the norm, the gutter follows.] Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit? [Maybe you should try the sleep deprivation excuse because your apology is becoming incoherent.] In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone's bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level. [Except that you spent three days wondering what went on in Ms. Fluke’s bedroom. It’s also best not to suggest that the person who really should be apologizing is someone else.] “My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. [ This sounds as if you wish you had searched for a better way to call someone a sl*t. Also, don’t refer to the fact that you’re now motivated by worry about your career.] I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices. [This is where you should have begun!] ” Actually, to begin, Limbaugh needed to first call Sandra Fluke, and if she wouldn’t take his call, he should have had a letter of apology delivered to her. Then when he issued his public statement it should have been something like: “I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke. My remarks about her were false, cruel, and repulsive. There’s no excuse and I offer none. I seriously crossed the line and I am sorry.”
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    Because you have ears and eyeballs doesn't mean you know what he was thinking when he apologized.  He issued an apology.  It may not be to your liking, but it was an apology.

    I retract "move on".  If you want to continue spending time on this, knock yourself out.  I might even join you.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Was Mr. Limbaugh's "s!ut...prostitute" his "nappy-haired ho" moment? : Correct. But I also have a brain, and when I bring it to bear on what he said and how he said it I am honestly dumbfounded by your position. Human beings judge what other people say and whether they meant it on a daily basis. Jurors mull over whether to believe witness testimony, people in relationships mull over whether the other person's excuse is valid, etc. Hell, these forums couldn't exist if we didn't have the ability to evaluate the truth of what someone said based on what we know of them, their wording, and their words' context.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    I'm dumbfounded by your dumbfoundedness  LOL

    Look, I didn't hear the guys apology, I just read what you pasted into your previous post.  If you read those words objectively, then you cannot conclude anything other than he apologized.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Was Mr. Limbaugh's "s!ut...prostitute" his "nappy-haired ho" moment? : I think what is really sad is how Democrats have wormed their way into our bedrooms after decades of accusing the right of the same thing! What a bunch of hypocrites.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    You are really funny!  Conservatives are actually trying to impose their social values on the rest of us: abortion, gay sex, pornography etc.  But you accuse the Democrats of worming their way into your bedroom???  All because there was an attempt to get coverage for contraception???  No one is forcing you to wear a condom: go right ahead.  Hope you have a cause to use the thingy. 

    The bigger the lie.... 
     
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    [QUOTE]I think it's more that we disagree. I guess I cannot understand how it is metaphysically impossible to determine whether Rush Limbaugh meant what he said by (1) reading it, (2) considering other things he says, (3) consider the things he chose to say and things he chose not to say... ....but that it is possible, indeed desireable, for the lot of us to spend our time here analyzing whether or not various politicians mean what they say, and what their real motives are.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    I'm not sure if we agree or disagree.  He apologized, but not to your liking.  As I said before, I don't know anything about the guy except he likes opioids and really stepped in this time.  What he has said or not in the past has no bearing on the words you posted that I read.  Those words, read objectively, will lead to concluding that he apologized.

    Rush Limbaugh is not a politician.  And as to your comment about trying to analyze the meaning of politicians words, some people try to do that...they are often wrong in their analysis.  You could take his words at face value...but that would be no fun.
     
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    Don't look now, but Rush is trying to blame his straying mouth...on the Left...! 

    Rush: "I acted too much like the leftists who despise me."

    Ya can't make this stuff up folks (but give Rush a point for trying anyway). So, rather than let his non-apology apology speak for itself...

    ...the man doubles down and plays the victim card all for himself...

    ...all while espousing the party of "personal responsibility" like it means anything at all to him.

    Un. Real.

     
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    [QUOTE]Don't look now, but Rush is trying to blame his straying mouth...on the Left...!  Rush: "I acted too much like the leftists who despise me." Ya can't make this stuff up folks (but give Rush a point for trying anyway). So, rather than let his non-apology apology speak for itself... ...the man doubles down and plays the victim card all for himself... ...all while espousing the party of "personal responsibility" like it means anything at all to him. Un. Real.
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    That is a classic conservative counter!  My lack of civility was a reaction of some other (usually nameless) lefty who did the same thing.  Seen it right here more than a few times.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Was Mr. Limbaugh's "s!ut...prostitute" his "nappy-haired ho" moment? : Would you rather he left "sincerely" out of it? 
    Posted by Rushfan2112[/QUOTE]

    He would not have grabbed the shovel (e.g., would have stopped digging) if he'd left out all but the last sentence.  And he'd have been better off from his perspective.  The last several sponsors pulled after the mea culpa.
     
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    [QUOTE]I strongly disagree. Someone who regularly says similar nasty things about people they don't like is less likely to be truly sorry about any particular nistance of doign so. Again, disagree. Read objectively, they do not fit the form of an apology. Apologis are "I'm sorry. I was wrong. It was wrong because of X". Apologies are not "I'm so great for going after lefists like you. Oops, I 'm sorry about something I said. But really, you leftists totally blow. I mean look at all this stuff, and aren't I great for pointing it out?" Well, as to that, if we cannot ever determine whether someone meant what they said, you too lack a basis for saying whether we are often wrong in making our determinations. People can determine whether or not someone meant what they said, or is telling the truth. Juries do it every day. Sure, sometimes people make mistakes. But I cannot agree that one cannot read Limbaugh's words, place them in context, and make a judgment about whether or not he meant what he said. Doing that is a fundamental everyday activity all humans do throughout the day, whether subconsciously or consciously.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    You can "strongly disagree" or simply "disagree" all you want.  But the man apologized, "I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices."  You pasted those words and attributed them to Limbaugh.  Irrespective of whether or not you want to believe it, words actually mean something.  If you look at those words objectively, you cannot say he didn't apologize.  He just didn't do so to your liking.  You personally don't care for the guy, I get it...but that is not objective thinking.

     
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    Nine sponsors out -- at least temporarily.

    Contrition appears to increase as the number increases.
     
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    [QUOTE]Don't look now, but Rush is trying to blame his straying mouth...on the Left...!  Rush: "I acted too much like the leftists who despise me." Ya can't make this stuff up folks (but give Rush a point for trying anyway). So, rather than let his non-apology apology speak for itself... ...the man doubles down and plays the victim card all for himself... ...all while espousing the party of "personal responsibility" like it means anything at all to him. Un. Real.
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    Well, Rush is right on that point, not to excuse him.  the left is full of things like Palin being called certain things by Maher, cartoons showing Palin being punched, and so on.  for the left, personal destruction is the first arrow in the quiver.  The left demonstrates this day in, day out.

    However, Rush was wrong to use the language he did.  No excuse, he was acting like the left, and we know that is wrong.
     
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    [QUOTE]Don't look now, but Rush is trying to blame his straying mouth...on the Left...!  Rush: "I acted too much like the leftists who despise me." Ya can't make this stuff up folks (but give Rush a point for trying anyway). So, rather than let his non-apology apology speak for itself... ...the man doubles down and plays the victim card all for himself... ...all while espousing the party of "personal responsibility" like it means anything at all to him. Un. Real.
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    Sounds more like a passive aggressive comment than a blame. But that's me...and I can't stand the guy.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Was Mr. Limbaugh's "s!ut...prostitute" his "nappy-haired ho" moment? : Actually, what's hilarious is a defense of a belligerent turd blossom based on the fact that he makes money. So, some people like to hear an angry fat man say rude things about others they disagree with. I'm not sure how that makes him a bastion of broadcasting awesomeness. Exhibit A: Reality T.V. brings in lot of money, and it's a pile of crap as far as artistry goes.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]
    I agree! Almost as bad as supporting a Senator who killed a woman or a Governor who serial assaulted women because "they are for women's rights" and Democrats. Pot meet kettle!
    Who was worse? Rush for saying or Fat Ted and Clinton for actions? My parents always said "actions speak louder than words"! This false outrage by the left is really funny!
    BTW - I think Rush should be fired for what he said. I think he should lose all his advertisers etc. he is a disgrace. But then I thought the same of Fat Ted and Clinton.
     
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    [QUOTE]Here's the problem we're having: Contrary to your seeming belief, "objective thinking" does not mean "taking someone's words at face value and not thinking any further about them." You are simply rejecting any viewpoint other than the belief that Rush Limbaugh genuinely apologized.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    The problem is it doesn't matter what Limbaugh (or anyone else you disagree with) says because you're not going to believe them anyway. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Here's the problem we're having: Contrary to your seeming belief, "objective thinking" does not mean "taking someone's words at face value and not thinking any further about them." You are simply rejecting any viewpoint other than the belief that Rush Limbaugh genuinely apologized. You personally care for the guy, I get it...but that is not objective thinking. (See what I did there?
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    The problem we're having is that you need to refresh yourself what on objective really means.  I'm rejecting your assertion that he didn't apologize.

    I read his words without bias.  That's objective.  You appear not to have.  See the difference?  
     
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    This is a non-sensical debate.

    If Rush is sorry about anything, it's that the regime is getting exactly what it wants out of his misstep, which is for people to ignore the danger of what the left is incrementally foisting upon us in favor of an idiotic and insoluble "debate" about who meant what.


    Undecided

     
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    [QUOTE]ROFL!!!! So anyone who does not believe Rush Limbaugh must be biased? The only way to avoid benig biased is to automatically accept everything he says, at face value? That's beyond stupid.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    I never said anything like that.  Pay attention now, here it comes again.  I said he apologized.  You seem to have a problem with that.

    If I read the transcript of President Clinton apologizing to the nation after lying to a federal judge, I would reach the same conclusion...he apologized.  See how that works?

    So you're saying it's bad to read something without bias?  That is not objective, huh? 

    So now you're hurling insults.  Nice job.


     
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    The names are completely justified based on the fact that the scenario is 100% politics,
    Posted by Newtster


    If that's so, then just about all the conservative complaints about things democrats say, here on BDC, is 100% bullsh*t.



    Ah...so one conservatives opinion nullifies all other conservatives opinion. Very good....very good indeed...sigh...............
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Was Mr. Limbaugh's "s!ut...prostitute" his "nappy-haired ho" moment? : Well, Rush is right on that point, not to excuse him.  the left is full of things like Palin being called certain things by Maher, cartoons showing Palin being punched, and so on.  for the left, personal destruction is the first arrow in the quiver.  The left demonstrates this day in, day out. However, Rush was wrong to use the language he did.  No excuse, he was acting like the left, and we know that is wrong.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    Please.  It's nothing more than a cop-out...for you or for him.  So, no, he's not right.

    There is no equivalence between Ms. Palin - a former governor, foxnews political pundit and professional bomb-thrower...

    ...and a lowly law student - who happens to be politically active, as many, many DC law students are.


    As for the comparisons between Rush and Maher, they are much closer, but they are NOT the same kind of 'entertainer' in terms of scale, influence or audience.

    Maher is probably closer to Dennis Miller, in that regard, but it's true these are subtleties.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Was Mr. Limbaugh's "s!ut...prostitute" his "nappy-haired ho" moment? : Oh good lord. Now you're being facetious. Nice job. Rush Limbaugh uttered words, that taken at face value, are an apology. I laid out why I do not believe that he meant it. Tell me you understand the difference there? It is beyond stupid to pretend that the fact that I, p-mike, and everyone else here, does not believe that Rush Limbaugh genuinely is sorry that he called some random person a "sl*t" means we are all "biased" and not being "objective." "Objective" does not mean taking someone's words at face value and refusing to think about whether they meant them. Rather, that's the definition of "gullible".
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    Please tell me how am I being facetious.

    At least you recognize an apology was delivered.  That was my point.  Your opinion as to why you don't believe his apology is subjective, not objective.  There really is a difference.  

     

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