"We are 5 days away from "TRANSFORMING" the USA back to the USA !!!!

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    Shows you how dumb you are

     
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    heard a good one this evening. what do the republican party and the beach boys have in common?

    answer: both their fan bases are dying.

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    As a general disclaimer, I wrote in for Ron Paul, so i got no dog in this discussion, but-

    1-The total vote was 51/49.  The amount that Obama won by was almost identical to the amount Bush beat Kerry by.  Which means Obama has as much a mandate as Bush did.

    2-African-Ameicans voted in a virtual block for another African American.  Romney won > the non-African American vote by ~ 55-45.

    It's like the left just won a one-run extra inning game with a check-swing opposite field double and are now printing WS tickets.

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    you miss the point. a black man beat the whitest man in america. i'd call that a grand slam.

    btw, as long as you're bringing in the ethnic results, mitt won the racist vote 100-0.

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    I assume he won the white racist vote 100% and lost the black racist vote 100%.

     
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    In reading this thread I've realized that many more posters are Democrat, Liberal, Independent than I had previously thought. Before, I thought that the forum was top heavy with Conservatives.

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    That is just because so many of the "conservatives" out there have multiple personality/screen names.

     
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    In reading this thread I've realized that many more posters are Democrat, Liberal, Independent than I had previously thought. Before, I thought that the forum was top heavy with Conservatives.

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    That is just because so many of the "conservatives" out there have multiple personality/screen names.

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    Too much College & NFL football to enjoy in the next two days so I am withdrawing from more political posts.  Also, as this is a sports forum, I feel our troops are heroes too and as gifted athletically as are many of our local heroes so as a former Marine I'm going to enjoy our 237th Birthday today with some other VietNam Vets and I wish too to wish Happy Veterans Day tomorrow to all Vets.

    Irrespective of our political preferences, we are all Americans and I will support this President & current administration to rectify the economic wrongs our treasured country is now enduring regardless of which party feels is at fault for our current dilemna. Let's cut the extreme polarization & work together on a bi-partisan basis going forward.

     

     


     

     
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    In reading this thread I've realized that many more posters are Democrat, Liberal, Independent than I had previously thought. Before, I thought that the forum was top heavy with Conservatives.

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    Being that baseball is a non hip sport, followed "old white men" you would think there would be more repubs here.

     
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    Combining the Bush tax cuts (extended by Obama) and the cost of 2 wars are by far the biggest contributions to the deficit.

    We've had about 10 years of massive tax cuts mostly to the rich. We are still waiting for the "trickle down", but all we are getting is "trickled on".

    Like Romney with the Auto industry, softy is now advocating: "Ley the USA go bankrupt".

    I hope congress is not listening.

    I'm curious what their excuses will be when the economy improves over the next 4 years. One can sense the likes of softy hope we go into a depression just to make a point.

     

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    I'm normally very optimistic.  I stayed fully invested during the recession, and fortunately recovered all my losses and then some.

    But for the first time I can remember, I'm a little leery of the economy and the markets.  Not pessimistic, per se, but I certainly would not over-invest.  We are running $1T+ deficits each year.  That amounts to handing close $4,000 to every single person in this country to spend.  Yet, even with this increased availability of money, the economy barely ekes along.

    What happens when we can no longer afford to give everyone $4,000?

    What happens if/when Greece exits the Euro, and the rate drops to 1.14?  Did our exports not just get priced up 10%?

    It's not just us, but think about the number of countries we export to that are incurring unsustainable deficits.  I think we are in for a very long, very slow, very tepid, recovery.

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    And how is "Austerity" working for Greece and other troubled European nations?

    I'm not overly optimistic about the future of the economy either, but with the wars over or nearly over, and more and more people in the workforce paying taxes, I feel a lot better now than I did late 2008 & early 2009.

     
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    Combining the Bush tax cuts (extended by Obama) and the cost of 2 wars are by far the biggest contributions to the deficit.

    The biggest contribution to the deficit and the debt is entitlements and the interest on the federal debt, which are over half the federal budget when excluding social security. Social security pays out massive amounts of money beyond what the average rececipient paid in with market interest growth during the recepients working years, due to no limit on payments to dependents or age of the recipient or a qualifying spouse. When that is included, it is the modern welfare State which is the biggest and most fiscally damaging cause of the deficit and massive trillions of dollars in exponentially mushrooming debt.

    The Bush tax cuts, even if one buys the socialist public policy propganda that tax cuts only decrease federal tax revenue dollar for dollar when attribued to the federarl revenue year to year changes on the books, are, according to OMB, is less than 10% of the annual federal budget. 

    The defends budget, with the blood for oil against peaceful Muslims, is less than 20% of the annual federal budget.

    The percentage of the American people on entitlments is increasing at levels that can't be sustained even if Buffet and Osama Obama nationalize private property and donate their millions into the new National trust of the new Peoples Republic of America.

    The majority of Americans pay no federal income tax. In order for the entitlement welfare State to survive in it's current expansion trajectory, it will be necessary to impose mandates like the recent healthcare mandate which was called a federal tax increase by the U.S. Supreme Court. This will be the largest tax increase on lower income workers in American history.

    One who claims to be optimistic about the ecnomy is either a fool or dependent on entitlments in the household, or both.

    The American national electorate is made up of utopian seeking spoiled children who respond to federal identity politics. It is unlikely that anything but the fiscal entitlement cliff will be kicked down the road to imploed on those won't be dead like the demagogues who have pandered it for poltical power. But the best interst of the delinquent and ignorant minds in this Nation is to have the U.S. debt rating downgraded to curb their ability to borrow at higher levels exponentially to sustain the expansion of the welfare State This will force a reform of entitlments and elimination of the massive useless federal parasitic bureaucracy, which will bring about a long term recovery that will emerge from a shrinking size of the welfare State as percentage of GDP.

       

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    Defense spending s closer to 25% and interest is around 6% social security andMedicare take up around 36% social welfare accounts for about 12%

     

    Those deficit drivers are ALL structural, the only real contribution OBAMA really made was extending out unemployment.  

    The baby boomer generation is retiring which is causing Medicare and SS to inflate at an increasing rate,  add that to a recession which has receipts as a % of GDP at an all time low and a war that no one paid for and you have a huge deficit.......but hey let's just keep blaming the black guy.

     
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    "blaming the black guy" ????? Didn't you mean to say "blaming the President" ????? Or are you just trying to interject race into the matter?

     
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    Combining the Bush tax cuts (extended by Obama) and the cost of 2 wars are by far the biggest contributions to the deficit.

    The biggest contribution to the deficit and the debt is entitlements and the interest on the federal debt, which are over half the federal budget when excluding social security. Social security pays out massive amounts of money beyond what the average rececipient paid in with market interest growth during the recepients working years, due to no limit on payments to dependents or age of the recipient or a qualifying spouse. When that is included, it is the modern welfare State which is the biggest and most fiscally damaging cause of the deficit and massive trillions of dollars in exponentially mushrooming debt.

    The Bush tax cuts, even if one buys the socialist public policy propganda that tax cuts only decrease federal tax revenue dollar for dollar when attribued to the federarl revenue year to year changes on the books, are, according to OMB, is less than 10% of the annual federal budget. 

    The defends budget, with the blood for oil against peaceful Muslims, is less than 20% of the annual federal budget.

    The percentage of the American people on entitlments is increasing at levels that can't be sustained even if Buffet and Osama Obama nationalize private property and donate their millions into the new National trust of the new Peoples Republic of America.

    The majority of Americans pay no federal income tax. In order for the entitlement welfare State to survive in it's current expansion trajectory, it will be necessary to impose mandates like the recent healthcare mandate which was called a federal tax increase by the U.S. Supreme Court. This will be the largest tax increase on lower income workers in American history.

    One who claims to be optimistic about the ecnomy is either a fool or dependent on entitlments in the household, or both.

    The American national electorate is made up of utopian seeking spoiled children who respond to federal identity politics. It is unlikely that anything but the fiscal entitlement cliff will be kicked down the road to imploed on those won't be dead like the demagogues who have pandered it for poltical power. But the best interst of the delinquent and ignorant minds in this Nation is to have the U.S. debt rating downgraded to curb their ability to borrow at higher levels exponentially to sustain the expansion of the welfare State This will force a reform of entitlments and elimination of the massive useless federal parasitic bureaucracy, which will bring about a long term recovery that will emerge from a shrinking size of the welfare State as percentage of GDP.

       

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    Defense spending s closer to 25% and interest is around 6% social security andMedicare take up around 36% social welfare accounts for about 12%

     

    Those deficit drivers are ALL structural, the only real contribution OBAMA really made was extending out unemployment.  

    The baby boomer generation is retiring which is causing Medicare and SS to inflate at an increasing rate,  add that to a recession which has receipts as a % of GDP at an all time low and a war that no one paid for and you have a huge deficit.......but hey let's just keep blaming the black guy.

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    How so, hugh, because he looks more black than white, when he's equally both??

     
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    Here's something that nobody seems to be talking about. Why are we spending 1/4 of the federal budget on weapons when the USA is the only military superpower in the world?

     
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    I meant that as more of a political anecdote than anything else....wasn't trying to bring race in the issue..........oh dear god what have I done!!!!!

     
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    I meant that as more of a political anecdote than anything else....wasn't trying to bring race in the issue..........oh dear god what have I done!!!!!

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    I thought it was hilarious and obviously a joke, FWIW.

     
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    Here's something that nobody seems to be talking about. Why are we spending 1/4 of the federal budget on weapons when the USA is the only military superpower in the world?

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    We currently spend as much as the top 10 nations combined, yet fools like softy thinks it was ignorant to vote against a candidate (Romney) that wanted to drastically increase defense spending while cutting taxes.

    It's repeating Bush's plan to cut taxes and start 2 wars that got us going on this mess. The sharp drop of employment began under Bush's watch and continued into the first few months of Obama's term. This drastically decreased tax revenue more and more.

    First, Romney and otehrs claimed we were worse off than 2008 and early 2009, then they realized America wasn't buying the lies, and began claiming we haven't "recovered fast enough". Folks, we were so close to a full depression it wasn't even funny. Had GM and other companies gone out of business, the snowball might never have stopped. Comparing this recover to those smaller recessions of the past is a joke. Compared to the depression of the 30's, this recovery is much faster, and had congress not deliberately practiced obstructionist politics, we may have recovered faster. Republicans were voting against their own bills at many points over the last couple of years, just to prevent anything from getting accomplished...lest Obama get any credit.

     

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    Labor Unions are now waiting on their quid pro quo for getting out the vote for the current federal demagogue. The auto bailout was a big Labor pensions payoff that excluded many people who were not members of the Big Labor unions.  These auto companies will not survive in the long term, under the current federal policy status quo. They were international market losers that went bankrupt, and they will go bankurpt again because there is no major business model change to them.

     

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    Agreed, Unions (& Welfare fraud) are part of the problem. However, you've been conveniently ignoring other such bigger problems as illustrated by Moonslav's graph, and that's just for starters.  

     
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    And how is "Austerity" working for Greece and other troubled European nations?

    I'm not overly optimistic about the future of the economy either, but with the wars over or nearly over, and more and more people in the workforce paying taxes, I feel a lot better now than I did late 2008 & early 2009.

    Greece was years past bankruptcy.  The whole thing was a joke.  They literally entered the Euro in bankruptcy.

    In classical Keynesian modeling, it was never anticipated that deficits would be run in perpetuity.  This seems to get lost on a lot of democrats, and no small amount of republicans as well.  You run deficits in a recession, you run surpluses and pay back your debt when you expand.

    The US debt is no different than household debt.  An occasional credit card debt is okay.  But if you continue to run 6-8% deficits while your salary increase 2-3%, you will run out of money, and you will run out of credit.

     
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    In classical Keynesian modeling, it was never anticipated that deficits would be run in perpetuity.

     

    Exactly.

     

    This seems to get lost on a lot of democrats, and no small amount of republicans as well. You run deficits in a recession, you run surpluses and pay back your debt when you expand.

    Are you forgetting GW was a Republican and had a Republican Congress for a while. We had a surplus, but he started 2 wars, raised no defense spending as well, and then made massive tax cuts. Stop blaming the Democrats for this mess, Obama inherited a situation that dictaed spending to get out of it, and yet his hands were tied for the last 2 years. Spending on Public  jobs went down not up. The tax cuts remained in place as a compromise that Republicans claimed Obama never did any of.

    We've has about 10 years of tax cuts in place. Where's the trickle down? The profits have been pocketed or moved overseas. The stock market has doubled, and yet BO is viewed as the enemy of capitalism.

    Our car industry has rebounded. The housing market is now as well. Consumer confidence is growing. Consumer debt is low. Our highways and public transportation systems need enormous work, our schools are crumbling (physically and otherwise), and cutting spending will just add to a loss of our abiltiy to move good, compete intellectually with a world that is passing us up. I know spending more is not always the solution to every problem, but the states are hurting so much right now, and many have strict rules about increasing spending that for our infastructure to be updated, it almost has to come from a massive federal investment.

    There is room to cut spending in other areas, including defense and some entitlements, but there has to be a balanced approach.

     

     
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    Yeah, let's leave it to the churches and state governments to take care of the sick, old and disabled just like in the 20's.

     
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