We get the government we deserve - Amen to that!

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    We get the government we deserve - Amen to that!

     

    It's your fault: How our tribes help create gridlock in Congress

     

    Washington (CNN) -- If Congress has danced at the most perilous edges of brinkmanship, we the people helped push them there.

    We did it by voting lawmakers out of office when they work with the other party to craft legislation but then claiming we want Congress to compromise and seek bipartisan solutions.

     

    We're doing it by sending to office those who promise to toe the line and continue the partisanship we say we despise.

    We did it by allowing our state legislatures to draw congressional districts that are so starkly red or blue that there's little room for any other hue or viewpoint.

     

    We did it by congregating in neighborhoods and communities with like-minded people who share our views on politics, religion, and social mores and, as a result, largely electing lawmakers who echo those views.

     

    We the people have always tended to live, work, and play with and around people who have similar values. So no matter how many ways you slice many of the nation's neighborhoods into districts, the outcome is the same—homogeny. That's because you can't redistrict social attitudes.

     

    "We the people do bear responsibility," said CNN senior political analyst David Gergen. "It's often been said we get the government we deserve. The polarization has come in part because the middle has fallen away and engagement has been left to the far right and far left."

     

     

    Use link for the whole the story………….

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/politics/congress-redistrict-fault/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

     

     

    All of this self-sorting in tiny towns, urban enclaves and suburbs has had a collective impact on the rarefied and increasingly toxic political climate in Washington these days.

     

    The 112th House was roughly 50% more polarized in terms of makeup than that of the 102nd, which convened from 1991 to 1993, Poole found in his research.

     

    The 112th's Senate was more polarized than the 46th Senate, which was in office from 1879-1881, just after the Reconstruction era that followed the Civil War, Poole found.

     

    "This is polarization based on choice and self-selection," Bishop said. "Being an adult is accepting lots of different ways of being. We are so unsure of our own identities that we are not as accepting as we could be of people of different identities. In a sense we are getting what we demand from government. We demand our tribe wins. So that's the fight. It becomes a fight of tribal differences."

     
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    Re: We get the government we deserve - Amen to that!

    And it's not clear we even deserve the one we've got.

    We are the "tyranny" we've been waiting for.

    Maybe if we can stop with all the high-fiving and glad-handing over how great and awesome we supposedly are, then we can try to focus our attention on where it's really needed:

    Our neighbors and communities.

     

     
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    And it's not clear we even deserve the one we've got.

    We are the "tyranny" we've been waiting for.

    Maybe if we can stop with all the high-fiving and glad-handing over how great and awesome we supposedly are, then we can try to focus our attention on where it's really needed:

    Our neighbors and communities.

     



    I agree we as individuals should be more compassionate but, the federal govt is incapable of solving this problem!

     
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    And it's not clear we even deserve the one we've got.

    We are the "tyranny" we've been waiting for.

    Maybe if we can stop with all the high-fiving and glad-handing over how great and awesome we supposedly are, then we can try to focus our attention on where it's really needed:

    Our neighbors and communities.

     

     



    I agree we as individuals should be more compassionate but, the federal govt is incapable of solving this problem!

     



    That doesn't mean they shouldn't try when local efforts don't make ends meet...

    ...or that, as a result, we are absolved from doing our part to help neighbors in need.

     

    Sometimes it takes a national effort to raise awareness and get people off their a&&es.

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    That doesn't mean they shouldn't try when local efforts don't make ends meet...

     




    I agree they should try. I agree the govt has a role in many aspects of life.

    My issue is with corruption in our govt and these programs and the 47% of the populations that just wants to keep throwing more and more money at them while they continue the same practices with no reform or accountibility!

    The war on poverty has been going on for 50+ years and we still have poverty!!

     

     
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    And it's not clear we even deserve the one we've got.

    We are the "tyranny" we've been waiting for.

    Maybe if we can stop with all the high-fiving and glad-handing over how great and awesome we supposedly are, then we can try to focus our attention on where it's really needed:

    Our neighbors and communities.

     

     



    I agree we as individuals should be more compassionate but, the federal govt is incapable of solving this problem!

     

     



    That doesn't mean they shouldn't try when local efforts don't make ends meet...

     

    ...or that, as a result, we are absolved from doing our part to help neighbors in need.

     

    Sometimes it takes a national effort to raise awareness and get people off their a&&es.

     

     

     

     

     



    Government, federal government, needs to stay out of the "helping people" business. it is extra constitutional and they sux at it.

    government solution, their only tool is to tax and spend.  Their solution is always expensive and inefficient.  So, stoop it with the fantasy that this time it will be different, it won't.

    The way you meet other peoples needgetter people off their a&&es, is by doing it yourself.  Lead by example.

     
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    The way you meet other peoples needgetter people off their a&&es, is by doing it yourself.  Lead by example.



    Good point.

    Just like POTUS.

     

     

     
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    And it's not clear we even deserve the one we've got.

    We are the "tyranny" we've been waiting for.

    Maybe if we can stop with all the high-fiving and glad-handing over how great and awesome we supposedly are, then we can try to focus our attention on where it's really needed:

    Our neighbors and communities.

     

     



    I agree we as individuals should be more compassionate but, the federal govt is incapable of solving this problem!

     

     



    That doesn't mean they shouldn't try when local efforts don't make ends meet...

     

    ...or that, as a result, we are absolved from doing our part to help neighbors in need.

     

    Sometimes it takes a national effort to raise awareness and get people off their a&&es.

     

     

     

     

     



    I agree it takes a village, but not a big Federal Government.

     
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    I see hope in moderates breaking the logjam.  There was a good story the other day about a bipatisan group of GOP moderates and the remaining Blue Dogs getting together with a unified voice.

    One thing the election point out was a shift in the countries demographics, never mind that youth and technology caused the GOP to be out manuevered, which is leading to pragmatic discussions concerning immigration.

    I like the latest GOP position that is developing; of course boarder control, improved legal process for highly educated/trained people wanting to come, a path to citizenship for children brought here by parents Dreamers, and a path to legitimize the status of those who came here knowingly by illegal means but no amnesty it just puts them in line without an advantage, enforcement against businesses for illegal status hiring and a comprehensive and streamlined guest worker program.

     
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    Well if bipartisanship is desired it certainly doesn't help for people to label the other side "takers" that just love "big government nannystate" and blah blah blah shut up everything you do is part of a conspiracy to take my guns/money/health/grandmother



    Or label one side as bigots and people who just want to hurt minorities because of a desire to help only the rich on the backs of the poor!

     

     
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    Well if bipartisanship is desired it certainly doesn't help for people to label the other side "takers" that just love "big government nannystate" and blah blah blah shut up everything you do is part of a conspiracy to take my guns/money/health/grandmother



    Well if bipartisanship is desired it doesnt help for people to label the other side as conspiracy nuts.

     
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    Well if bipartisanship is desired it certainly doesn't help for people to label the other side "takers" that just love "big government nannystate" and blah blah blah shut up everything you do is part of a conspiracy to take my guns/money/health/grandmother



    I think we could all use a lesson in inflamatory language control and its avoidance while still getting out points across. Hot button labels are just that hot buttons intended to shut down communication.  Generally in a well defined problem there are two or more strong and divergent views but the trick is finding the common elements to the solution; which are always there you just have to look for them and not condemn someone elses point of view.

    -takers is bad

    -big government is decriptive but coupled with nannystate is looking to raise someone ire.

    -calling someone's concerns a conspiracy theorey or paranoia is not a way to continue open communication.

     
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    We vote them in so it would be wrong to assume otherwise.

     
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    There is a difference, tvoter and bobin, between labeling a specific person something based on something they actually said.....

    ....and ignoring what your opponent actually says and responding to your conception of what a liberal must think.

     

    If 20% of Republicans think Obama went back in time to plant fake birth notices and faked a birth certificate, all to hide the fact that he is actually kenyan muslim imposter.....

    ...then 20% of Republicans are going to get labeled conspiracy nutters. Because that's what they proved they are with their words.



    What percentage of Democrats think "Republicans" are all racist or only looking out for corporations and rich people as has be espoused by many (wdywn, matty, angerman etc) then they will be labeled as partisan hacks; because that is what they have proved they are with their own words.

     
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    And it's not clear we even deserve the one we've got.

    We are the "tyranny" we've been waiting for.

    Maybe if we can stop with all the high-fiving and glad-handing over how great and awesome we supposedly are, then we can try to focus our attention on where it's really needed:

    Our neighbors and communities.

     

     



    I agree we as individuals should be more compassionate but, the federal govt is incapable of solving this problem!

     

     



    That doesn't mean they shouldn't try when local efforts don't make ends meet...

     

    ...or that, as a result, we are absolved from doing our part to help neighbors in need.

     

    Sometimes it takes a national effort to raise awareness and get people off their a&&es.

     

     

     

     

     

     



    I agree it takes a village, but not a big Federal Government.

     



    No.  It takes tens of thousands of villages.  And when some don't want to pull their weight or seek to exclude the many on behalf of the few, a government of, by and for the people needs to step in and set things right.

    Even in our short, messy history, this has been proven repeatedly.

     

     

     
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    There is a difference, tvoter and bobin, between labeling a specific person something based on something they actually said.....

    ....and ignoring what your opponent actually says and responding to your conception of what a liberal must think.

     

    If 20% of Republicans think Obama went back in time to plant fake birth notices and faked a birth certificate, all to hide the fact that he is actually kenyan muslim imposter.....

    ...then 20% of Republicans are going to get labeled conspiracy nutters. Because that's what they proved they are with their words.

     



    What percentage of Democrats think "Republicans" are all racist or only looking out for corporations and rich people as has be espoused by many (wdywn, matty, angerman etc) then they will be labeled as partisan hacks; because that is what they have proved they are with their own words.

     



    Pardon me, but you can take your obtuse generalities and shove them.  There are real philosophical questions here that habitually seem to escape you, so you have very little credibility with which to judge.

     

     
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    Pardon me, but you can take your obtuse generalities and shove them. There are real philosophical questions here that habitually seem to escape you, so you have very little credibility with which to judge.
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    Right back at cha sister; geez are you really that blind or just an elitest through and through

     
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    There is a difference, tvoter and bobin, between labeling a specific person something based on something they actually said.....

    ....and ignoring what your opponent actually says and responding to your conception of what a liberal must think.

     

    If 20% of Republicans think Obama went back in time to plant fake birth notices and faked a birth certificate, all to hide the fact that he is actually kenyan muslim imposter.....

    ...then 20% of Republicans are going to get labeled conspiracy nutters. Because that's what they proved they are with their words.

     



    What percentage of Democrats think "Republicans" are all racist or only looking out for corporations and rich people as has be espoused by many (wdywn, matty, angerman etc) then they will be labeled as partisan hacks; because that is what they have proved they are with their own words.

     

     



    Pardon me, but you can take your obtuse generalities and shove them.  There are real philosophical questions here that habitually seem to escape you, so you have very little credibility with which to judge.

     

     



    Trust me, no one takes anything you say seriously, whether you think so or not!

    "Real philosophical questions".......bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

    Oh sorry, am I being too obtuse for you?

    Bwaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

     
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    Re: We get the government we deserve - Amen to that!

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    There is a difference, tvoter and bobin, between labeling a specific person something based on something they actually said.....

    ....and ignoring what your opponent actually says and responding to your conception of what a liberal must think.

     

    If 20% of Republicans think Obama went back in time to plant fake birth notices and faked a birth certificate, all to hide the fact that he is actually kenyan muslim imposter.....

    ...then 20% of Republicans are going to get labeled conspiracy nutters. Because that's what they proved they are with their words.



    Huh?

    You're as dumb as matty.......

     

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