WH Touts Kenyan Program to Obtain National ID Cards for Voter Registration

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    f I register my car, I don't get asked for that registration everytime I utilize a public way.

    That's apples and hanging chads ACC. You driving your car, as dangerous as that may be for the people in your immediate vicinity, does not endanger the integrity of the electoral process.

    Also you didn't address why voter ID laws are discriminatory when, as miscricket pointed out, gaining access to ID is easily accomplished.

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    Re: WH Touts Kenyan Program to Obtain National ID Cards for Voter Registration

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    f I register my car, I don't get asked for that registration everytime I utilize a public way.

     That's apples and hanging chads ACC. You driving your car, as dangerous as that may be for the people in your immediate vicinity, does not endanger the integrity of the electoral process.

    Also you didn't address why voter ID laws are discriminatory when, as miscricket pointed out, gaining access to ID is easily accomplished.

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    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

     

     

     

     

    The premise is the same. Our legal system is based on the presumption of innocence. The gov't doesn't automatically question my right to drive based solely on my being on the road in a car. They may question that right when there is probable cause. Showing up to vote is not a suspicious activity so there is no probable cause to assume someone is committing fraud.

    That being said.....




    First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Comprehensive studies have shown that voter fraud happens at a rate of 0.0002% in the US. How is that minute incident rate "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Second, the process of registering to vote allows for alternative forms of identification that do not have photos, like birth certificates etc. The voter ID laws want to impose yet another layer of ID, in addition to what is required to register. That imposes an undue burden on people who may be disabled, have to travel great distances or have to take an unpaid day from work to get these new IDs, not to mention cost. Ten or fifeteen dollars might not seem like a lot of money to us but it could be a bagful of groceries for a poor family.

    Third, this process doesn't address any "endangerment" that may be inherent in absentee voting. If the integrity of the "electoral process" is at stake, why ignore such a large segment of votes open to fraud? Could that be because those who want in-person ID view the absentee process as one which their constituency is more likely to use? Studies have shown that there is a "class bias" in the use of absentee ballots where the wealthy are more likely to avail themselves of that form of voting.

    Finally, The voting system has been in place, essentially in the same form, for two centuries and yet this 'endangerment' has not yet come to pass. How can that be?

     

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    "First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?"

    Oh, I don't know.  Maybe you get a situation wher 11 million or so newly minted democrats via the immigration bill swear that they are eligible to vote, and then show up to vote.

    That's one.

     

    To the rest of your post:  You don't think there is fraud?  You really think that Al Franken was elected on the up and up?  you really think that 100 districts voted 100% of the eligible voters AND voted 100% for Obama?

     

    If you beleive this was all on the up and up, then I have a bridge I want to sell you...

     
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    What an outlandish concept: Working within the laws of another country to promote democracy within that country.

    Obama is truly a Muslim-socialist-communist-Kenyan.

     




    Well, apparently he is, and just setting the ground work for his next job, president of his "home country" (not according to me, according to his wife).


    Before you flip out, just having fun wit ya.



    Ha, Ha skeeter!!!  Good one!!!  Laughing

     
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    f I register my car, I don't get asked for that registration everytime I utilize a public way.

     That's apples and hanging chads ACC. You driving your car, as dangerous as that may be for the people in your immediate vicinity, does not endanger the integrity of the electoral process.

    Also you didn't address why voter ID laws are discriminatory when, as miscricket pointed out, gaining access to ID is easily accomplished.

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    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The premise is the same. Our legal system is based on the presumption of innocence. The gov't doesn't automatically question my right to drive based solely on my being on the road in a car. They may question that right when there is probable cause. Showing up to vote is not a suspicious activity so there is no probable cause to assume someone is committing fraud.

    That being said.....




    First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Comprehensive studies have shown that voter fraud happens at a rate of 0.0002% in the US. How is that minute incident rate "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Second, the process of registering to vote allows for alternative forms of identification that do not have photos, like birth certificates etc. The voter ID laws want to impose yet another layer of ID, in addition to what is required to register. That imposes an undue burden on people who may be disabled, have to travel great distances or have to take an unpaid day from work to get these new IDs, not to mention cost. Ten or fifeteen dollars might not seem like a lot of money to us but it could be a bagful of groceries for a poor family.

    Third, this process doesn't address any "endangerment" that may be inherent in absentee voting. If the integrity of the "electoral process" is at stake, why ignore such a large segment of votes open to fraud? Could that be because those who want in-person ID view the absentee process as one which their constituency is more likely to use? Studies have shown that there is a "class bias" in the use of absentee ballots where the wealthy are more likely to avail themselves of that form of voting.

    Finally, The voting system has been in place, essentially in the same form, for two centuries and yet this 'endangerment' has not yet come to pass. How can that be?

     

     

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    "First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?"

     

    Oh, I don't know.  Maybe you get a situation wher 11 million or so newly minted democrats via the immigration bill swear that they are eligible to vote, and then show up to vote.

    That's one.

     

    To the rest of your post:  You don't think there is fraud?  You really think that Al Franken was elected on the up and up?  you really think that 100 districts voted 100% of the eligible voters AND voted 100% for Obama?

     

    If you beleive this was all on the up and up, then I have a bridge I want to sell you...

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    skeeter,

     

    if you beleive this was all on the up and up, then I have a bridge I want to sell you...

     

    Heh,

    If you are going to reply with a cliche, maybe you can up your game and make it not such a tired one?  :)

     
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    Progressives bellyached in 2000 about our voting system, and then went all loony conspiracy-theory in 2004 about how Bush stole Ohio...

    And yet you now claim our voting system has no problems....as long as you win, there are no problems... got it.

     

     



    Nothing like conflating wildly seperate issues.

     

    Do you have a pile of spaghetti in your head and just can't follow a logical thought through to it's conclusion?

    Which one of your "issues" relates to voter ID, exactly?

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    ACC,

    Keep going! Keep trying to keep him "on point" as well not "conflating widely separate issues".

     
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    Re: WH Touts Kenyan Program to Obtain National ID Cards for Voter Registration

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    [QUOTE]Correct me if I am wrong...but you are required in the US to show and ID and prove residence when you register to vote. No different than what this fact sheet is suggesting. This has nothing to do with Voter ID...which supports showing ID and proving residency at the time one exercises their right to vote...even though they have already done so when they registered.

     

    So if everyone has already proven the ability to show ID why then is it a problem at all? Clearly everyone that's registered to vote has an ID and can prove that they're a registered voter right? Why then would the administration claim that voter ID laws are discriminatory? This just doesn't make any sense.

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    THe OP was trying use the idea of a national ID for young people so that they can register to vote as somehow trying to demonstrate that Obama was hypocritical..when in fact that just not the case. Requiring identification and proof of residency at the registration process is more about making sure that you are voting in the right city/town/state/precinct and less about denying a vote..

    When I think about the voter  ID requirement ( showing picture ID at the time of the vote)...the first thing that comes to mind is senior citizens....especially female senior citizens. When you reach a certain age where you no longer drive..or no longer bank..etc..and rely on others to do these things for you...then you either have to go through the expense of getting a picture ID at the RMV...or if you live in a very rural area...go through the expense and the travel...all to exercise what is supposed to be a basic right.

    I would be okay with a national ID card in the US..but this seems to be something many on the right do not want either. ( the more paronoid among us being wary of goverment tracking..etc). Heck..on another forum I used to belong to..one guy was against electronic medical records because he was afraid big brother would know his every ailment.

    In a time where corporations are now considered people..and spending massive amounts of money to buy election outcomes..I would think the least of our worries would be whether or not a handful of people are voting illegally.

     
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    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

     

     

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    f I register my car, I don't get asked for that registration everytime I utilize a public way.

     That's apples and hanging chads ACC. You driving your car, as dangerous as that may be for the people in your immediate vicinity, does not endanger the integrity of the electoral process.

    Also you didn't address why voter ID laws are discriminatory when, as miscricket pointed out, gaining access to ID is easily accomplished.

    --

    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The premise is the same. Our legal system is based on the presumption of innocence. The gov't doesn't automatically question my right to drive based solely on my being on the road in a car. They may question that right when there is probable cause. Showing up to vote is not a suspicious activity so there is no probable cause to assume someone is committing fraud.

    That being said.....




    First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Comprehensive studies have shown that voter fraud happens at a rate of 0.0002% in the US. How is that minute incident rate "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Second, the process of registering to vote allows for alternative forms of identification that do not have photos, like birth certificates etc. The voter ID laws want to impose yet another layer of ID, in addition to what is required to register. That imposes an undue burden on people who may be disabled, have to travel great distances or have to take an unpaid day from work to get these new IDs, not to mention cost. Ten or fifeteen dollars might not seem like a lot of money to us but it could be a bagful of groceries for a poor family.

    Third, this process doesn't address any "endangerment" that may be inherent in absentee voting. If the integrity of the "electoral process" is at stake, why ignore such a large segment of votes open to fraud? Could that be because those who want in-person ID view the absentee process as one which their constituency is more likely to use? Studies have shown that there is a "class bias" in the use of absentee ballots where the wealthy are more likely to avail themselves of that form of voting.

    Finally, The voting system has been in place, essentially in the same form, for two centuries and yet this 'endangerment' has not yet come to pass. How can that be?

     

     

     

     



    "First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?"

     

     

     

    Oh, I don't know.  Maybe you get a situation wher 11 million or so newly minted democrats via the immigration bill swear that they are eligible to vote, and then show up to vote.

    That's one.

     

    To the rest of your post:  You don't think there is fraud?  You really think that Al Franken was elected on the up and up?  you really think that 100 districts voted 100% of the eligible voters AND voted 100% for Obama?

     

    If you beleive this was all on the up and up, then I have a bridge I want to sell you...

     

     



    skeeter,

     

     

     

    if you beleive this was all on the up and up, then I have a bridge I want to sell you...

     

    Heh,

    If you are going to reply with a cliche, maybe you can up your game and make it not such a tired one?  :)

     



    I'm fairly sure it applies, and I'm pretty sure I haven't used it yet.  

     

    How about "on the level"?  Can I use that?

     
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    Re: WH Touts Kenyan Program to Obtain National ID Cards for Voter Registration

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    In response to skeeter20's comment:

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    f I register my car, I don't get asked for that registration everytime I utilize a public way.

     That's apples and hanging chads ACC. You driving your car, as dangerous as that may be for the people in your immediate vicinity, does not endanger the integrity of the electoral process.

    Also you didn't address why voter ID laws are discriminatory when, as miscricket pointed out, gaining access to ID is easily accomplished.

    --

    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The premise is the same. Our legal system is based on the presumption of innocence. The gov't doesn't automatically question my right to drive based solely on my being on the road in a car. They may question that right when there is probable cause. Showing up to vote is not a suspicious activity so there is no probable cause to assume someone is committing fraud.

    That being said.....




    First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Comprehensive studies have shown that voter fraud happens at a rate of 0.0002% in the US. How is that minute incident rate "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Second, the process of registering to vote allows for alternative forms of identification that do not have photos, like birth certificates etc. The voter ID laws want to impose yet another layer of ID, in addition to what is required to register. That imposes an undue burden on people who may be disabled, have to travel great distances or have to take an unpaid day from work to get these new IDs, not to mention cost. Ten or fifeteen dollars might not seem like a lot of money to us but it could be a bagful of groceries for a poor family.

    Third, this process doesn't address any "endangerment" that may be inherent in absentee voting. If the integrity of the "electoral process" is at stake, why ignore such a large segment of votes open to fraud? Could that be because those who want in-person ID view the absentee process as one which their constituency is more likely to use? Studies have shown that there is a "class bias" in the use of absentee ballots where the wealthy are more likely to avail themselves of that form of voting.

    Finally, The voting system has been in place, essentially in the same form, for two centuries and yet this 'endangerment' has not yet come to pass. How can that be?

     

     

     

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    "First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?"

     

     

    Oh, I don't know.  Maybe you get a situation wher 11 million or so newly minted democrats via the immigration bill swear that they are eligible to vote, and then show up to vote.

    That's one.

     

    To the rest of your post:  You don't think there is fraud?  You really think that Al Franken was elected on the up and up?  you really think that 100 districts voted 100% of the eligible voters AND voted 100% for Obama?

     

    If you beleive this was all on the up and up, then I have a bridge I want to sell you...

     

    [/QUOTE]


    Hey crazy white xenophobic dude, despite all your crazy rants and raves there has been, for all intents and purposes, no voter fraud in 200+ years.

     

    So either show it's a relevent problem or shut up. Simple enough, even for you.

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    Well, first of all, I'm not white.

    Second of all, I made no claim about the past 200 years, let alone the past election.

    I am merely pointing out the high improbability of over 100 districts voting at 100% of the eligible voters, and ALL the votes goingto Obama.

    That's one heck of a get out the vote effort.

    Or, it is an artifact of fraud.  We will never know, because I don't think our election procerss is as "on the level" as it could be.

     
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    f I register my car, I don't get asked for that registration everytime I utilize a public way.

     That's apples and hanging chads ACC. You driving your car, as dangerous as that may be for the people in your immediate vicinity, does not endanger the integrity of the electoral process.

    Also you didn't address why voter ID laws are discriminatory when, as miscricket pointed out, gaining access to ID is easily accomplished.

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    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The premise is the same. Our legal system is based on the presumption of innocence. The gov't doesn't automatically question my right to drive based solely on my being on the road in a car. They may question that right when there is probable cause. Showing up to vote is not a suspicious activity so there is no probable cause to assume someone is committing fraud.

    That being said.....




    First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Comprehensive studies have shown that voter fraud happens at a rate of 0.0002% in the US. How is that minute incident rate "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Second, the process of registering to vote allows for alternative forms of identification that do not have photos, like birth certificates etc. The voter ID laws want to impose yet another layer of ID, in addition to what is required to register. That imposes an undue burden on people who may be disabled, have to travel great distances or have to take an unpaid day from work to get these new IDs, not to mention cost. Ten or fifeteen dollars might not seem like a lot of money to us but it could be a bagful of groceries for a poor family.

    Third, this process doesn't address any "endangerment" that may be inherent in absentee voting. If the integrity of the "electoral process" is at stake, why ignore such a large segment of votes open to fraud? Could that be because those who want in-person ID view the absentee process as one which their constituency is more likely to use? Studies have shown that there is a "class bias" in the use of absentee ballots where the wealthy are more likely to avail themselves of that form of voting.

    Finally, The voting system has been in place, essentially in the same form, for two centuries and yet this 'endangerment' has not yet come to pass. How can that be?

     

     

     

     



    "First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?"

     

     

     

    Oh, I don't know.  Maybe you get a situation wher 11 million or so newly minted democrats via the immigration bill swear that they are eligible to vote, and then show up to vote.

    That's one.

     

    To the rest of your post:  You don't think there is fraud?  You really think that Al Franken was elected on the up and up?  you really think that 100 districts voted 100% of the eligible voters AND voted 100% for Obama?

     

    If you beleive this was all on the up and up, then I have a bridge I want to sell you...

     

     



    skeeter,

     

     

     

    if you beleive this was all on the up and up, then I have a bridge I want to sell you...

     

    Heh,

    If you are going to reply with a cliche, maybe you can up your game and make it not such a tired one?  :)

     



    I'm fairly sure it applies, and I'm pretty sure I haven't used it yet.  

     

    How about "on the level"?  Can I use that?



    skeeter,

    "on the level" versus the bridge...

    IMO better...much better.

    Thanks for the effort! Much appreciated. 

    andie

    ps..great site quote/reverse quote. Sharing with you in case you have not come across it.

    Worth a gander at least IMO.

     
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    Re: WH Touts Kenyan Program to Obtain National ID Cards for Voter Registration

    Progressives delusionally claim there is no voter fraud, less than a decade after they had a hissy fit when Bush was elected in 2000...never mind 2004, when a Kennedy idiotically claimed Bush stole Ohio, and liberals railed against supposed vote fraud...

    "Finally, The voting system has been in place, essentially in the same form, for two centuries and yet this 'endangerment' has not yet come to pass. How can that be?"

    Ask Nixon in 1960 about the supposed .0000002 percent vote fraud. Mayor Daley stole the election in Illinois.

    So concerned citizen , must be concerned with another Planet, in claiming our voting system has worked just perfectly for 200 years .....

    “Unfortunately, the United States has a long history of voter fraud that has been documented by historians and journalists,” uber-liberal Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens wrote in 2008, upholding a strict Indiana voter-ID law designed to combat fraud.

    Go with Justice Stevens on this.

    By the way, the result of new voter ID laws? States that enacted such laws had higher rates of minority participation.

     
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    f I register my car, I don't get asked for that registration everytime I utilize a public way.

     That's apples and hanging chads ACC. You driving your car, as dangerous as that may be for the people in your immediate vicinity, does not endanger the integrity of the electoral process.

    Also you didn't address why voter ID laws are discriminatory when, as miscricket pointed out, gaining access to ID is easily accomplished.

    --

    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The premise is the same. Our legal system is based on the presumption of innocence. The gov't doesn't automatically question my right to drive based solely on my being on the road in a car. They may question that right when there is probable cause. Showing up to vote is not a suspicious activity so there is no probable cause to assume someone is committing fraud.

    That being said.....




    First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Comprehensive studies have shown that voter fraud happens at a rate of 0.0002% in the US. How is that minute incident rate "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?

    Second, the process of registering to vote allows for alternative forms of identification that do not have photos, like birth certificates etc. The voter ID laws want to impose yet another layer of ID, in addition to what is required to register. That imposes an undue burden on people who may be disabled, have to travel great distances or have to take an unpaid day from work to get these new IDs, not to mention cost. Ten or fifeteen dollars might not seem like a lot of money to us but it could be a bagful of groceries for a poor family.

    Third, this process doesn't address any "endangerment" that may be inherent in absentee voting. If the integrity of the "electoral process" is at stake, why ignore such a large segment of votes open to fraud? Could that be because those who want in-person ID view the absentee process as one which their constituency is more likely to use? Studies have shown that there is a "class bias" in the use of absentee ballots where the wealthy are more likely to avail themselves of that form of voting.

    Finally, The voting system has been in place, essentially in the same form, for two centuries and yet this 'endangerment' has not yet come to pass. How can that be?

     

     

     

     



    "First of all, how is not requiring an ID to vote "endanger(ing) the integrity of the electoral process"?"

     

     

     

    Oh, I don't know.  Maybe you get a situation wher 11 million or so newly minted democrats via the immigration bill swear that they are eligible to vote, and then show up to vote.

    That's one.

     

    To the rest of your post:  You don't think there is fraud?  You really think that Al Franken was elected on the up and up?  you really think that 100 districts voted 100% of the eligible voters AND voted 100% for Obama?

     

    If you beleive this was all on the up and up, then I have a bridge I want to sell you...

     

     



    skeeter,

     

     

     

    if you beleive this was all on the up and up, then I have a bridge I want to sell you...

     

    Heh,

    If you are going to reply with a cliche, maybe you can up your game and make it not such a tired one?  :)

     



    I'm fairly sure it applies, and I'm pretty sure I haven't used it yet.  

     

    How about "on the level"?  Can I use that?

     



    skeeter,

     

    "on the level" versus the bridge...

    IMO better...much better.

    Thanks for the effort! Much appreciated. 

    andie

    ps..great site quote/reverse quote. Sharing with you in case you have not come across it.

    Worth a gander at least IMO.

    [/QUOTE]

    SisterSledge likes cartoons, I like archaic sayings.

    What I can't stand are the new sayings, such as "you feelin me?"  or "my Bad".  Though, I find myself using the latter, and when I do, I slap myself.  Seriously., I slap myself.

     

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