What the Communist Party USA wants

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    Sounds like Obama is listening to them and putting forth thier ideology. I bolded and underlined some of the more disturbing points of thier dangerous ideology. Do any of them sound familar? That is why he is dangerous you stupid liberals for voting this communist in to lead our country.



    From the CPUSA webpage:


    The most basic reason that capitalism is unable to solve its own economic problems is that the mass of workers that capitalists strive to pay less to are the same as the mass of consumers the capitalists try to sell more to. This is one of the reasons for the restless and relentless capitalist search for new markets. It is why U. S. industry consistently runs at less than 70% of capacity, because technology enables the production of many more goods than workers can actually afford to buy (at prices that maintain profits). It is not that there is any dearth of demand or need for more goods, more food, or more infrastructure, it is that there is a limit to how much of this can be done profitably enough for the capitalists. A related problem of capitalism is that within each industry, the major producers each plan to expand their share of the market—but they can’t all succeed at the same time—somebody will lose. Marxists call this the “anarchy of production.” This leads to overproduction of goods, to layoffs, to speed-up on the job. With fewer workers employed, fewer workers have money to buy, so effective demand goes down, leading to more layoffs, plant closings, etc. Eventually enough goods and production capacity are destroyed that industries begin to hire again, and the build-up of the economy starts over. Marxists call this a “crisis of overproduction.” Capitalist economists call this the “business cycle.” While Keynesian economic stimulus policies can delay or mute this cycle, they have proven unable to eliminate it, which leads to misery for laid-off workers and their families, to various efforts to get workers (through taxes and fees and other schemes) to pay for the capitalist’s crisis. The shorter term economic proposals we make are for more jobs, living wage jobs, job-to-job unemployment insurance, a national health care system to cover everyone, and restrictions on the export of capital, jobs, and plants. We advocate a much more sharply progressive tax system, closing loopholes for the wealthy and corporations, exempting more people at the lower income levels from all taxation, substituting more taxes on the rich in place of regressive sales taxes. We advocate cutting the military budget in half and transferring the savings to social programs. In the longer term, we advocate a fundamental restructuring of our economic system, to socialism. This would mean the nationalization of many large-scale businesses and financial institutions, further restrictions on capital, a radical leveling of incomes (not to the point of absolute equality, but much less than the ever-growing gap between rich and poor), massive public works jobs programs, providing free health care and education for all. A socialist U.S. economy would include wage differentials (though much reduced from the current inequalities), a mix of nationalized industry and finance with small scale private enterprise, a variety of economic and social incentives to encourage the development of skilled workers, a modified planned economy (macroeconomic goals accomplished by macroeconomic means and controls, combined with more general goals for the economy as a whole rather than a huge centralized bureaucracy which tries to control every little detail), laws enforcing equal pay for equal work and no workplace discrimination, laws restricting the movement of capital and limiting the size of private enterprises, taxation to limit the extent of profit-taking from the exploitation of workers, free education and health care for all (relieving the burden on small business and smaller economic units and encouraging science, technology, and a highly skilled workforce), progressive taxation on the larger individual incomes, to mention some of the important features. We advocate nationalization of banking and finance, the energy industry, health care, and some transportation, to be run as public utilities.
     
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    It's not about what works best for the most people. It's about "fairness" and "social and economic justice".

    They are destroying capitalism on purpose and the more panic they can generate the easier it will be.
     
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    By the time people wake up from their euphoric Obama drunken state, we will all be communists whether we like it or not.

    Why don't people see this??? Obama stands up, tells us what he is doing to do to our faces. It's not like he is even hiding his agenda anymore.

    Our response??? Cheer for him and encourage the behavior!!!!!


     
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    obama is a far left nut job. his ideas about progressive taxation and big business are not very different from the Communists

     
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    Red-baiting: how so very retro of you all. And so very obsolete. Scare tactics will not help us out of the current financial mess. Only the government has the power to do it.

    And is Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina a commie, pinko. Stalinist stooge? He says we cannot take nationalization of the banks off the table.

    Here is a hint to you: we already have a fair dose of socialism in this country to go with all of the capitalism. It has been there since the first Roosevelt and he was a quite a conservative.

    So please talk sense and avoid these silly smears.
     
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    [Quote]Red-baiting: how so very retro of you all. And so very obsolete. Scare tactics will not help us out of the current financial mess. Only the government has the power to do it.

    And is Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina a commie, pinko. Stalinist stooge? He says we cannot take nationalization of the banks off the table.

    Here is a hint to you: we already have a fair dose of socialism in this country to go with all of the capitalism. It has been there since the first Roosevelt and he was a quite a conservative.

    So please talk sense and avoid these silly smears.[/Quote]



    Reubenhop-3,
    I am not red-baiting here. All I am doing here is showing what Communist Party USA has on its website and compare that to what Obama has done or wants to still do. It seems that the two have a lot in common in thier ideologies. Plus, what I have done is not a scare tactic but proving a fact that Obama and Communist Party USA have similar ideologies and that America should be very worried about the future of this country.

    Secondly, your thought process that ONLY THE GOVERNMENT can get us out of this financial mess is an obsurd thought. What about the American Worker, Capitalism and getting government out of the way to get America back on its feet? How about believing in that before believing in what Obama is trying to sell the American public?

    As for Lindsey Graham, he is definately not a commie. Just because he wants to look and research all options with this banking crisis doesn't make him one. Instead, implementing one communist policy after another and wanting to implement more communist policies makes one a communist. Unfortunately, for the country, I think that is exactly what Obama (your savior) is. Shameful, isn't it?

     
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    Obama is no savior, he is just man trying to use the government to get us out of the biggest financial mess since the Great Depression. You may find comfort in your feeling that Obama's support is strictly from blind adherents, but that still does not make it true. And the government is the answer: it has been used repeatedly since Teddy Roosevelt's administration to adjust the abuses or malfunctions of the capitalist system. The average worker has no shot to do much of anything to rectify things in this complex world economy: that is blind adherence to a hope and a prayer.

    As for the (miniscule) Commie Party here in the U.S.: they are a mere shadow of true Communist thought. It is supposed to be about revolution and worker dictatorship not basic Euro-socialism.
     
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    Wasn't it the Bush Adminstration that Nationalized Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and basically Nationalized AIG as well as invested billions into the nation's largest Banks? And aren't many Republicans calling for the nationalization of many of the Banks? So far, Obama's socialist bent has been over shadowed by Bush.

    By the way, could you direct me where I could find quotes by Obama about "free health care"?

    And since Obama is a Muslim, wouldn't he be more likely to turn the US into some sort of new fangled Islamic Socialist state? Head scarves for all women suuplied free of charge by the Government. of course, since we'd be an Islamic state, Free Education would be much cheaper since only men would be allowed to go to school.
     
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    [Quote]Obama is no savior, he is just man trying to use the government to get us out of the biggest financial mess since the Great Depression. You may find comfort in your feeling that Obama's support is strictly from blind adherents, but that still does not make it true. And the government is the answer: it has been used repeatedly since Teddy Roosevelt's administration to adjust the abuses or malfunctions of the capitalist system. The average worker has no shot to do much of anything to rectify things in this complex world economy: that is blind adherence to a hope and a prayer.

    As for the (miniscule) Commie Party here in the U.S.: they are a mere shadow of true Communist thought. It is supposed to be about revolution and worker dictatorship not basic Euro-socialism.[/Quote]
    First off, this isn't the worst economy since the Great Depression. That is what Obama wants you to believe. So don't give me that bull and get your facts straight for once. It is though the worst economy since that Democrat peanut man Jimmy Carter was in office. He had an energy crisis and cars lining up for gas (remember that? what fun!!!!), 20% interest rates, a 12% rate of inflation, a Iranian Hostage Crisis that he didn't have the guts to confront and ECONOMIC STAGFLATION. It took Reagan and his leadership to bring the country back from all the damage Jimmy did.

    Secondly, how am I wrong in showing the fact that Obama has the same agenda as the Communist Party. Go through the original post and match up all that Obama has done so far or wants to do. What he wants to do is Nationalize the banks and financial systems, punish the rich and successful and giving to the poor and failed, Nationalize Healthcare, Nationalize Education, cut military funding, and have a huge social works program. Face it, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck....guess what it is a duck.

    Thirdly, Capitalism, entrusting the American Worker with a Free Market System, majorly cutting tax rates for all and getting government out of the way is certainly a way to get America out of this mess. Plus, it sure beats the Socialism that Obama is trying to ram down our throats. But, of course you would never understand that. Your too blinded by Obama and probabally have Obama Phenomeon Fever.

     
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    So my question..... Where's the justice in my having to support a demographic and 6 generations of lay-abouts?
     
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    [Quote]

    First off, this isn't the worst economy since the Great Depression. That is what Obama wants you to believe. So don't give me that bull and get your facts straight for once. It is though the worst economy since that Democrat peanut man Jimmy Carter was in office. He had an energy crisis and cars lining up for gas (remember that? what fun!!!!), 20% interest rates, a 12% rate of inflation, a Iranian Hostage Crisis that he didn't have the guts to confront and ECONOMIC STAGFLATION. It took Reagan and his leadership to bring the country back from all the damage Jimmy did.

    Secondly, how am I wrong in showing the fact that Obama has the same agenda as the Communist Party. Go through the original post and match up all that Obama has done so far or wants to do. What he wants to do is Nationalize the banks and financial systems, punish the rich and successful and giving to the poor and failed, Nationalize Healthcare, Nationalize Education, cut military funding, and have a huge social works program. Face it, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck....guess what it is a duck.

    Thirdly, Capitalism, entrusting the American Worker with a Free Market System, majorly cutting tax rates for all and getting government out of the way is certainly a way to get America out of this mess. Plus, it sure beats the Socialism that Obama is trying to ram down our throats. But, of course you would never understand that. Your too blinded by Obama and probabally have Obama Phenomeon Fever.

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    I think I have a better sense of history than you do. You advocate Hooverism to get us out of this mess and that is a recipe for disaster. Only the government has the ability to mobilize the nation to address this major calamity. That may or may not be socialism, but it is reality. Labels are irrelevant, solutions are what is important. "Hope for the best" is not a policy.
     
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    I think I have a better sense of history than you do. You advocate Hooverism to get us out of this mess and that is a recipe for disaster. Only the government has the ability to mobilize the nation to address this major calamity. That may or may not be socialism, but it is reality. Labels are irrelevant, solutions are what is important. "Hope for the best" is not a policy.[/Quote]


    If your saying that I want a smaller and stronger government, less taxes for everyone, reduced government spending and allowing for the America Worker to help build up the economy in a Free Market Capitalistic Economy, then you got me. The problem with your premise is that you believe that ONLY GOVERNMENT can do things. GOVERNMENT GOT US INTO THIS MESS and yet you want to trust them to correct thier wrongs. Do you really want government controlled everything and sky high taxes? If you do, then I guess that Socialist/Communist Obama is really your man.
     
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    and where has Socialism ever worked?
     
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    [Quote]and where has Socialism ever worked?[/Quote]

    Depends what you mean by "worked". But if economic growth is the measure of success, than I would have to say.... China. Vietnam seems to be doing all right. But I wouldn't want either form of economic system here in the good ol' US of A. We need a few tweaks, but nothing as dramatic as you suggest (incorrectly) that Obama wants to make.

    Tweak the financial markets. Stop incenting car makers to make gas guzzling SUVs and trucks. Stop paying farmers to take their land out of production, maybe subsidize farmers to set up wind farms (they can grow crops next to a wind turbine). Instead of going into debt so that people can have big screen TVs and big cars, go into debt (if need be) to create an infrastructure to nurture business or to give our children a better education.
     
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    Depends what you mean by "worked". But if economic growth is the measure of success, than I would have to say.... China. Vietnam seems to be doing all right. But I wouldn't want either form of economic system here in the good ol' US of A. We need a few tweaks, but nothing as dramatic as you suggest (incorrectly) that Obama wants to make.

    Tweak the financial markets. Stop incenting car makers to make gas guzzling SUVs and trucks. Stop paying farmers to take their land out of production, maybe subsidize farmers to set up wind farms (they can grow crops next to a wind turbine). Instead of going into debt so that people can have big screen TVs and big cars, go into debt (if need be) to create an infrastructure to nurture business or to give our children a better education.[/Quote]


    What I mean by "worked" is something that was successful and made the people in thier country better. Now it is funny you brought up China, China has a stimulus plan of thier own for thier country and you know what? That plan is loaded with stimulus which differs from Obama's and the left's stimulus plan which has tons of spending that has nothing to do with stimulus. Maybe the Chinese looked at what Obama wants to do and decided that was the wrong direction to go and put together "an actual stimulus plan that will stimulate thier economy". Isn't it funny that the Communist Chinese actually "gets it" and does the right thing while America is still flopping around wondering if we need "more stimulus".

    As for your little tweaks and crimps to fix the economy, I am with you. America does need tweaking. However if all you want is a tweak here and there, Obama then is not your guy because he is for BIG GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNMENT CONTROL OVER MOST MAJOR THINGS DEALING WITH THE ECONOMY. He wants the finacial and banking insitutions to be nationalized. He wants Nationalized Healthcare. He wants a Nationalized Education system. He wants control over what Energy America should be using. I can go on and on with what he wants. In short, he wants power over and everything and you know the saying about power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
     
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    [Quote]no difference between your commies and your run of the rectum Rats..............[/Quote]

    Marvelous. Loser is back. Different moniker but the same scatological point of view. Will he ever stay under his rock? But "Tumor" is an appropriate new name. He is at least aware of his negative influence.
     
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    [Quote]and where has Socialism ever worked?[/Quote]

    Most people say that the goal of life is to attain happiness. A study from a couple of years ago studied various factors leading to a happiness quotient in different countries. Most people believe to be happy you need adequate health, education and prosperity. Weighing these factors we find that happiness is highest in... Denmark. That place is not exactly a capitalist mecca, indeed it is quite socialist. America is not on the bottom of the list (the Asian and African countries are down that way), so it still has a shot of getting to the top rung. Of course, we will have to do better in terms of our healthcare, education system and general prosperity.

    HOW THE NATIONS RANKED ON HAPPINESS
    1st - Denmark
    2nd - Switzerland
    3rd - Austria
    4th - Iceland
    5th - The Bahamas
    23rd - USA
    41st - UK
    90th - Japan
    178th - Burundi
     
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    Most people say that the goal of life is to attain happiness. A study from a couple of years ago studied various factors leading to a happiness quotient in different countries. Most people believe to be happy you need adequate health, education and prosperity. Weighing these factors we find that happiness is highest in... Denmark. That place is not exactly a capitalist mecca, indeed it is quite socialist. America is not on the bottom of the list (the Asian and African countries are down that way), so it still has a shot of getting to the top rung. Of course, we will have to do better in terms of our healthcare, education system and general prosperity.


    HOW THE NATIONS RANKED ON HAPPINESS

    1st - Denmark
    2nd - Switzerland
    3rd - Austria
    4th - Iceland
    5th - The Bahamas
    23rd - USA
    41st - UK
    90th - Japan

    178th - Burundi[/Quote]



    Interesting!!! Thererfore, leaning towards Socialism instead of Freedom makes people HAPPY!!! Let me see what would happen if and when that does take full effect. I've got it!!!!!!

    Let's have a Nationalized Healthcare System where politicians not doctors make decisions of what kind of medical care a person gets, not to mention the long waiting lists that will form just to get an appointment once it is established. In addition, lets reform the school system so that parents don't have choices to send thier children to a charter school or have some kind of a voucher to go to another school. Force the kids to have to digest the "leftist, liberal agenda" that so many schools teach nowadays. Plus, lets turn to Socialism for prosperity while killing a Capitalistic system that has made those who worked hard wealthy in this country.

    WOW!!!! I AM FEELING HAPPY ALREADY!!!!!! NOT!!!!

     
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    [Quote]


    What I mean by "worked" is something that was successful and made the people in thier country better. Now it is funny you brought up China, China has a stimulus plan of thier own for thier country and you know what? That plan is loaded with stimulus which differs from Obama's and the left's stimulus plan which has tons of spending that has nothing to do with stimulus. Maybe the Chinese looked at what Obama wants to do and decided that was the wrong direction to go and put together "an actual stimulus plan that will stimulate thier economy". Isn't it funny that the Communist Chinese actually "gets it" and does the right thing while America is still flopping around wondering if we need "more stimulus".

    As for your little tweaks and crimps to fix the economy, I am with you. America does need tweaking. However if all you want is a tweak here and there, Obama then is not your guy because he is for BIG GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNMENT CONTROL OVER MOST MAJOR THINGS DEALING WITH THE ECONOMY. He wants the finacial and banking insitutions to be nationalized. He wants Nationalized Healthcare. He wants a Nationalized Education system. He wants control over what Energy America should be using. I can go on and on with what he wants. In short, he wants power over and everything and you know the saying about power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.[/Quote]

    If he wanted to Nationalize the Banks then why hasn't he? And if he wants to nationalize health care then why is he calling for an expansion of the current system?

    Obviously, too little Government control over the economy is a bad thing. So maybe more Government Control is a good thing.
     
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    It is not as if we are going to become a communist or socialist country. We have free and open elections (inspite of the questionable electronic voting machines) and every 2 years we get an opportunity to be a democracy and change our leader ship based on a majority of individual voters. So relax, even the policies are socialist or communist they are not forever.


    FREE EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE FOR ALL WOULD BE AWESOME!!!

    It sounds kind of extreme in some points but I like alot of the idea's they are putting forward.

    We advocate a much more sharply progressive tax system, closing loopholes for the wealthy and corporations, exempting more people at the lower income levels from all taxation, substituting more taxes on the rich in place of regressive sales taxes.

    We advocate cutting the military budget in half and transferring the savings to social programs.

    massive public works jobs programs, providing free health care and education for all.


    I have to say these all sound really good to me.
     
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    [Quote]Class warfare. You really think that's a good idea?

    Declare war on the most productive? The most entreprenorial?

    A weak US. Dangerous for the whole world. You really want that?

    Everyone digs holes for a living. You really want that?[/Quote]


    The most productive? are you serious? The top 2% is not possible with out the bottom 98%. You can not have a large profitable company without people to work there, and millions of people buying your products.

    And it is the leadership of our business that has failed us, as the stock market reflects.

    If you don't understand that we have had class warfare as long as we have had classes then I can't help you.

    Feel free to check for typos instead of making an intelligent reply b/c I did not spell check this one.
     
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    Yeah - Ruben - Let me worry about what makes me happy and you and Obama and Nancy Pelosi keep the the F out of my wallet and personal liberties.

    Got it!
     
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    [Quote]Yeah - Ruben - Let me worry about what makes me happy and you and Obama and Nancy Pelosi keep the the F out of my wallet and personal liberties.

    Got it![/Quote]

    I don't think there is any threat to your personal liberties from the new bunch (Darth Cheney and his minions were a different story). So it is really about your essentially selfish need to hold onto your dough. O.K. that is understandable. I hope you don't get sick, can't work, have no dough, have no medical insurance and lose everything. That scenario can happen to most of us and it is an unhappy thought and an unhappy iiving reality for too many.
     
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