Re: Where is the Evidence For Gun Ownership vs. Gun Violence?
posted at 12/18/2012 12:24 PM EST
In response to undead's comment:
In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:
In response to undead's comment:
Keep on saying that 12 and you'll be the first person that gets shot when you're home is invaded.
Hello everyone. How about letting the guy who's had a gun pointed directly at him, who's had a knife pressed against him, and who's been held to a wall by his throat say something about weapons.
And no, I wasn't in the military. This was when I was in grade and high school in two different states.
I know what it's like to have no weapons and wind up staring one down. I know what it's like to have a weapon and be in a standoff. Do not even begin to tell me that not having the weapon to defend yourself with is better than not having one.
That doesn't mean I believe that people should have weapons for the sake of having weapons. I am a full believer in that everyone with access to said weapon should be fully trained on how to use it. This prevents accidents which can result in serious injury or death, which I'm sure showed up in the numbers reported earlier.
I am also a big believer in learning how to use ordinary items found in your home as weapons. The most important weapon of all, though, is yourself. You don't have to be a black belt to do some major damage to someone but you do need some basic training on how and where to hit, not to do damage but instead to force the person attacking you to back off in pain and give you enough time to run for help.
If everyone knew how to defent themselves then you wouldn't have as many deaths. You'd still have people committing mass murders but the death toll would be lower as people would react in a way to defend or attack instead of trying to hide. Running or hiding gets you killed. Taking out the attacker gets you hurt, but you will live, and so will the other people around you.
I own a few guns and have no problem with people owning them as well.
I've also actually been shot, through a flack vest, by a military-grade weapon. The vest might as well been made out of cotton, for all the good it did against a high-powered round.
If I had my way, civilians would be limited to revolvers, bolt-action rifles and break-apart shotguns. There is no need for any other weapon in a civilians hands. Those three will cover any situation a law abiding citizen would encounter, whether it be self-defense or hunting or just killing paper targets.
And just because civilians want something doesn't mean they should be allowed to own it.
There's a reason we have banned other weapons like grenades and machine-guns and bazookas. There is no logical reason for a civilian to own them.
The potential for someone using these weapons for mass murder far outweigh any benefits a civilian would gain by target shooting.
Heck, permit them like full-auto weapons. That way if you want to shoot targets you can go to a federally licensed gun range and rent one for a day and kill all the paper targets you want.
You faced military targets, I faced mafia and gang targets. When your life's on the line it doesn't matter what you're facing, so long as you have something that works fast and does the job.
And I find your concending attitude towards non-military people to be disturbing. Just because I didn't have your training doesn't mean I don't know how to use them or have scruples of my own, and it doesn't automatically make you a better shot either.
This is the real world. Chaos reigns, not order, and you can't change that outside of your own 4 walls. You have a bad habit of assuming that John Q. Public will never have to face a full blown war on their own. I hate to tell you this but the US was successfully attacked on its own soil on 9/11, and only a fool would believe it couldn't happen again. There is no guarantee that a full scale invasion won't happen down the road and I'd hate to think of what would happen if the town shows up holding a revolver against a helicopter armed with gunpods.
Training is the key. Don't just teach people how to use the weapon, teach them the merits. Install a sense of conscience. There is a price to pay for pulling the trigger against a non-paper target. Explain this and make them understand what they are getting into when they have to make a decision on how to use it.
You dope. The guy that killed all those kids did have training.