Who stands to lose more..??

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    Who stands to lose more..??

    The latest poll indicates that more than 70 % of Americans disapprove of the way Republicans are handling the debt crisis..but the news is no better for Democrats. The same poll indicates that 43% disapprove of the way the Obama administration is handling these talks.

    Moody’s has placed the US credit rating under review and the possibility of the US losing its AAA credit rating seems inevitable no matter what happens with the debt ceiling talks. After all…our government’s own inability to come to any sort of consensus on managing its own debt is a huge red flag that we are becoming a risk.

    Add to that the news that China has become the new “superpower” and things are not looking up for the US these days.

    Sadly, the real losers in this would be..well..us. The already fragile economic recovery is already in jeopardy as everyone is forced to sit back and wait for Congress and the White House to do what we elected them to do. The overwhelming debt is the fault of both parties and the time is long past for Obama to step up to the plate and show some serious leadership on this issue. The Republicans..for their part..have made it quite clear that their number #1 goal going into 2012 is to prevent any successes for the Obama administration. I think that given the latest poll numbers..they ought to start re-thinking that particular strategy.

    The American people have got to be growing weary of the constant bickering and the class warfare that goes on between the two parties. If this climate continues , I don’t believe that any incumbent is safe from being voted out.

     
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    American citizens stand to lose the most.   Everything.

    While Nero fiddles to the cameras... Rome burns.

    www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/obama-administration/barack-obama.htm#r_src=ramp" class="r_lapi">President Obama is suddenly a fan of press conferences. Last week, after months of not appearing solo before the media, he faced reporters twice, most recently this past Friday. 

    That’s in addition to four occasions at which the president spoke on, as the www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/white-house.htm#r_src=ramp" class="r_lapi">White House web site puts it, “The Status of Efforts to Find a Balanced Approach to Deficit Reduction.” (Sounding a bit Maoist, for sure.)

    Why this sudden urge to converse? Simply said, it’s working for him.

    In a masterful performance last Monday, President Obama convinced a recession-weary public that he alone was the voice of Beltway Reason. Channeling Walter Cronkite, he soberly explained that he and his fellow Democrats were willing to take considerable heat, and put everything on the table, but that the showboating GOP was blocking the nation’s progress. He was resolute, he was measured, he was right. You could almost see his hair graying as he shouldered the future of Western Civilization.

    There was nothing new to report on Friday, no real news. But his prior jamborees with the press had done something miraculous for Mr. Obama – they had convinced the public that he was doing his job. Not only had he engaged in the debt ceiling talks, but he was taking the middle road

    Never mind that we have no idea whether that road is a paved four-lane highway or a dirt path; there were no particulars on what exactly the Dems are proffering. www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/king-tut.htm#r_src=ramp" class="r_lapi">King Tut’s tomb was more exposed than the www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/harry-reid.htm#r_src=ramp" class="r_lapi">Harry Reid team of late. 

    Indeed, there hasn’t been a budget proposal to emerge from the Democratic side of the aisle in months. Never mind. The message was clear: but for a few loons in the House, we would not be facing a meltdown of monstrous proportions.

    More wondrous for Mr. Obama, this showdown between the House and the White House has distracted the American public from the ghastly, struggling economy. Our 9.2% unemployment rate is being displaced in our nation’s consciousness by the cat fight in Washington. 

    The tit-for-tat between our nation’s leaders is riveting. Mr. Obama erred when he said the public was not interested in reality-TV antics; if www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/rep.-eric-cantor.htm#r_src=ramp" class="r_lapi">Eric Cantor would only take a swing at www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/obama-administration/timothy-geithner.htm#r_src=ramp" class="r_lapi">Tim Geithner the president could put his campaign on hold – he’d be reelected in a landslide. That billion dollars he’s so hopeful of raising could instead go to deflating our deficit.

    The president usurped the GOP’s lead in this battle by adopting the voice of reason, and portraying Republicans as unwilling to compromise. It is time to put politics aside, he has said. He’s right. 

    The president, too, should ditch the rhetoric, and get the job done. If he is so very concerned about the ill effects from not raising the debt ceiling -- if this stalemate is driving us towards true financial catastrophe – why not agree to raise the debt ceiling now, in company with spending cuts that even this spendthrift White House knows are necessary? 

    There is no reason that the president has to extract some amount of increased revenues – that is simply his immovable position. He could assuage his Democrat colleagues by coupling modest spending cuts to an agreement that Congress will take up serious tax reform immediately. By publicly concluding such a deal, the president would emerge the victor – we would not default on our debt – and Americans would demand fair play from the GOP.

    Tax reform has become, of course, code for increased revenues. In April, the president said “It’s important that we look at our tax code and find a way to work together to not only simplify and make the tax system fairer, but also that we use it as a tool to help us achieve our deficit targets.” We’re talking decreased tax expenditures, one of the more God-awful expressions to come out of this White House, along with “kinetic military action.”

    Double negative-talk notwithstanding, reconsidering and possibly closing some of our tax loopholes makes sense. In any event, most have not been considered in decades, and may well have worn out their usefulness. 

    This was one of the excellent recommendations of the Bowles-Simpson commission. They advised phasing out, for instance, the mortgage interest deduction. Though an abrupt revision of this long-standing tax arrangement could further shake the shattered real estate industry, a phased-in reduction is worth considering. 

    It has become clear that as a nation we have funneled an unhealthy amount of our investment capital into real estate, to the detriment of infrastructure, for instance. 

    The financial crisis built on a mountain of ill-advised investment in property; this bubble was encouraged by the tax code (as well as excessively low interest rates, wrong-headed public policy, and careless bankers and investors.) Americans understand the attraction of owning a home; the government does not need to encourage such investment.

    In any case, it would be uplifting to see Congress and the president move the country forward. Raise the debt ceiling, overhaul our overly complex and outdated tax code. Most important: get to work; there’s much to be done.

     
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    This crisis should never have gotten this far. This could have been solved over a year ago, but once again politics got in the way. The Democrats knew last summer that they would most likely loose the House to the Republicans come November. So they can just kick the can down the road until then.Dems saw no rush to come up with a budget that would be their own, they perpiously waited for the republicans to have a say in the matter, so if things went wrong, the blame could be pushed on them. Like I said, politics getting in the way.

    The President does not seem to have a plan, unless he is holding his hand until the very end. The way it looks to me is Obama wants the Republicans to agree with and go with whatever he says and wants, and there is no wiggle room. He does not want to cut spending at all, he wants to do this by raising taxes...nothing else. 


    Even my soon to be fifth grader can see that spending needs to be cut, serious cuts. I've said this before, but raising taxes on this fragile economy would be devastating and a step in the wrong direction. A step that Obama has made all too many times going on almost three years.     
     
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    [QUOTE]The latest poll indicates that more than 70 % of Americans disapprove of the way Republicans are handling the debt crisis..but the news is no better for Democrats. The same poll indicates that 43% disapprove of the way the Obama administration is handling these talks. Moody’s has placed the US credit rating under review and the possibility of the US losing its AAA credit rating seems inevitable no matter what happens with the debt ceiling talks. After all…our government’s own inability to come to any sort of consensus on managing its own debt is a huge red flag that we are becoming a risk. Add to that the news that China has become the new “superpower” and things are not looking up for the US these days. Sadly, the real losers in this would be..well..us. The already fragile economic recovery is already in jeopardy as everyone is forced to sit back and wait for Congress and the White House to do what we elected them to do. The overwhelming debt is the fault of both parties and the time is long past for Obama to step up to the plate and show some serious leadership on this issue. The Republicans..for their part..have made it quite clear that their number #1 goal going into 2012 is to prevent any successes for the Obama administration. I think that given the latest poll numbers..they ought to start re-thinking that particular strategy. The American people have got to be growing weary of the constant bickering and the class warfare that goes on between the two parties. If this climate continues , I don’t believe that any incumbent is safe from being voted out.
    Posted by miscricket[/QUOTE]

    Yes, we are growing weary of this.  Mostly of the president saying everything is on the table, yet doesn't define or identify anything.

    This is not the fault of the Republicans at this time, though they do have history on this issue.  This issue is completely a result of Obamanomics.

    If we had spent a few trillion less on these wasteful stimulus programs, we would not be at the ceiling to begin with.
     
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    Isn't it grand that someone is standing up for American citizens. They can't afford to let Uncle Sam grab more.

    Keep swinging Cantor... or they will tuck it to us again.
     
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    [QUOTE][QUOTE] The President does not seem to have a plan, unless he is holding his hand until the very end. The way it looks to me is Obama wants the Republicans to agree with and go with whatever he says and wants, and there is no wiggle room. He does not want to cut spending at all, he wants to do this by raising taxes...nothing else. Posted by newman09[/ QUOTE] Wait....WHAT? Where have you been getting your news? It is the fringe members of both parties who are causing problems, each from a different direction. 1.  Obama agreed to TRILLIONS in spending cuts, if they are coupled with some tax hikes. Boehner AGREED with this approach. That's the "4.5 trillion dollar deal" they both mentioned. Who mucked it up? 1a. Farther-left Dems who rebelled at the notion of any spending cuts (refusing to go along with Obama, other Dems, and Republicans); and 1b. Farther-right Reps, who rebelled at the notion of any rise in the debt ceiling or tax increases, or even to close loopholes! So I'm here talking about Cantor and his asshat-brigade, who refuse any compromise, either with Boehner and the rest of the Reps, or with Obama and the Dems. So again, it's the fringes f*cking this one up. Pols on both sides who lie closer to center are saying what a strong majority of Americans are saying: BOTH cuts and tax increases are needed, if we actually mean to address deficits any time soon.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]


    Where are you getting your news?  From the white house press office?  

    Obama has put nothing on the table.  All he has done is insist that the republicans come up with plans that he can shoot down.
     
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    The latest poll indicates that more than 70 % of Americans disapprove of the way Republicans are handling the debt crisis..but the news is no better for Democrats. The same poll indicates that 43% disapprove of the way the Obama administration is handling these talks.

    Miscricket, are you referring to the CBS poll that was weighted +11 towards Democrats?

    Total Respondents 810
    Total Republicans 214 193 (24%)
    Total Democrats 272 282 (35%)
    Total Independents 324 335 (41%)

     
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    Obama has backed away from his original plan.  He says it is not on tthe table anymore.

    And of course he ignores his OWN committees recommendations.

    Moody's has said if we don't cut 4 trillion they will downgrade us.

    So why is Obama ignoring this? 

    And if we are downgraded we are in deep. 

    Beck and his gold will be laughing to the bank.  By the way, gold is now up to $1600, which is a sign that many are jumping ship on the dollar.

    Not good at all. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Obama has backed away from his original plan.  He says it is not on tthe table anymore. And of course he ignores his OWN committees recommendations. Moody's has said if we don't cut 4 trillion they will downgrade us. So why is Obama ignoring this?  And if we are downgraded we are in deep.  Beck and his gold will be laughing to the bank.  By the way, gold is now up to $1600, which is a sign that many are jumping ship on the dollar. Not good at all. 
    Posted by whatnow4[/QUOTE]

    Obama never had a plan, other than raise the debt ceiling.  That's not a plan, that's a demand.
     
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    [QUOTE]The latest poll indicates that more than 70 % of Americans disapprove of the way Republicans are handling the debt crisis..but the news is no better for Democrats. The same poll indicates that 43% disapprove of the way the Obama administration is handling these talks. Moody’s has placed the US credit rating under review and the possibility of the US losing its AAA credit rating seems inevitable no matter what happens with the debt ceiling talks. After all…our government’s own inability to come to any sort of consensus on managing its own debt is a huge red flag that we are becoming a risk. Add to that the news that China has become the new “superpower” and things are not looking up for the US these days. Sadly, the real losers in this would be..well..us. The already fragile economic recovery is already in jeopardy as everyone is forced to sit back and wait for Congress and the White House to do what we elected them to do. The overwhelming debt is the fault of both parties and the time is long past for Obama to step up to the plate and show some serious leadership on this issue. The Republicans..for their part..have made it quite clear that their number #1 goal going into 2012 is to prevent any successes for the Obama administration. I think that given the latest poll numbers..they ought to start re-thinking that particular strategy. The American people have got to be growing weary of the constant bickering and the class warfare that goes on between the two parties. If this climate continues , I don’t believe that any incumbent is safe from being voted out.
    Posted by miscricket[/QUOTE]
    And your solution is????????
     
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    [QUOTE][QUOTE] The President does not seem to have a plan, unless he is holding his hand until the very end. The way it looks to me is Obama wants the Republicans to agree with and go with whatever he says and wants, and there is no wiggle room. He does not want to cut spending at all, he wants to do this by raising taxes...nothing else. Posted by newman09[/ QUOTE] Wait....WHAT? Where have you been getting your news? It is the fringe members of both parties who are causing problems, each from a different direction. 1.  Obama agreed to TRILLIONS in spending cuts, if they are coupled with some tax hikes. Boehner AGREED with this approach. That's the "4.5 trillion dollar deal" they both mentioned. Who mucked it up? 1a. Farther-left Dems who rebelled at the notion of any spending cuts (refusing to go along with Obama, other Dems, and Republicans); and 1b. Farther-right Reps, who rebelled at the notion of any rise in the debt ceiling or tax increases, or even to close loopholes! So I'm here talking about Cantor and his asshat-brigade, who refuse any compromise, either with Boehner and the rest of the Reps, or with Obama and the Dems. So again, it's the fringes f*cking this one up. Pols on both sides who lie closer to center are saying what a strong majority of Americans are saying: BOTH cuts and tax increases are needed, if we actually mean to address deficits any time soon.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    You're correct but it would have been nice if you equally berated the Progressive Caucus and Pelosi as much as you lit into the Tea Party Freshmen who were voted in as part of a movement.

    The President has tried to lead but the left of his party cut his legs out from under him.  If Obama had been successful; I'd be talking about a refeshing Obama/Boehner relationship that was beginning to mirror Reagan/Tip O'Neil, but it regretfully didn't happen.

     
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    raise taxes, cut military

    gee that was simple
     
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    You must be all set financially Jimbo... or be on the Govt dole......

    How about lower taxes and cut the bloated size of the feds by 50%
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who stands to lose more..?? : I have blamed them, but you are being completely disengenous when you say they deserve equal blame. And you know it. Enough of the partisan sh*t. Why don't they deserve equal blame? BECAUSE REPUBLICANS WERE THE ONES WHO TIED RAISING THE DEBT LIMIT TO A DEAL. Say whatever you feel like. No honest person can deny seeing that. _____________________________________________________________ "Equal" blame in what sense? The only sense in which the dems who threatened to filibuster would deserve equal blame as republicans who refuse any tax loophole closures or raises would be if they were both responsible for destroying a deal INDEPENDENT of the debt ciling. That isn't reality. Why? REPUBLICANS T IED RAISING THE DEBT LIMIT TO GETTING SPENDING CONCESSIONS. I am disgusted by the blatantly dishonest attempts to backpedal and dodge this basic fact, by some BDC conservative,s and the revolting scum politicians blowing this. Just because you think we need spending cuts right now does not mean you are justified in doing everything and anything to achieve it, including holding American citizens hostage.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]


    ...as I've stated on other strings concerning the same issue.  The GOP has taken a page from the Obama Adminstration playbook and decided not to waste a good crisis to implement positive change.  Much like how Stimulus and HCR were enacted under Dem control.

    Its ugly but the method is just turn about is fair play politics; I didn't hear any complaints when the Dems used it.

     
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    [QUOTE]And I've stated, that is a completely dishonest comparison. "...as I've stated on other strings concerning the same issue.  The GOP has taken a page from the Obama Adminstration playbook and decided not to waste a good crisis to implement positive change.  " You want an example of that? Perhaps using the Horizon incident to tightent inspection and regulation for off-shore drilling. You'll apparently never admit it Joe, but this isn't using a crises. This is deliberately creating a crises.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    ..and as I've stated before your dishonest comparison position is bunk.

    The crisis is the looming debt limit.  The crisis was created by Washington politics as a collective whole.  The GOP has made a stand on principle to start addressing the problem, while the Dems simply want to kick the can down the road beyond the 2012 elections.

    So its the Dems decision; have the adult dicussion or hide behind the McConnell/Ried deal and let the chips fall where they may.  It will have zero effect on the bases, but the vast middle will look and analyze this very closely.



     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who stands to lose more..?? : Geez, you really are a whacko wingnut. You should be embarassed by your moniker. At the very least, stop insulting the honor and integrity of TR by being such a coward of your beliefs and remove the quote. The McConnell deal is a blantant ploy for the wingnuts to shirk their responsibilities and cede it's Constitutional authority to the president. In short, the ultimate kick-the-can and avoid responsibility and accountability. And that is the plan you cowards are for? Next you'll try and say it was reid's plan all along. YOU"RE PATHETIC!
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    ...at this point the McConnell/Reid plan is the only one that has a real chance of passing.  Try and keep up.

     
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    [QUOTE]Hey you can distort if you like, but the facts are the facts. I think we've more or less staked out our positions. Reps got huge concessions off the bat, and no doubt Boehner could have gotten more out of Obama. Instead they want to shoot the moon, at our peril. They should have grabbed everything they could and then went back for more in 2012. Shame on them. Miscricket asked "Who stands to lose more...??" Answer: Me. You. America.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    The President lost his chance due to the Progressive Caucus.

    and you're right we all lose.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who stands to lose more..?? : So now it's the McConnel/Reid plan. Geez, now wonder you're so ignorant of current afffairs and history in general. Your reading comprehension is based on partisan ideology, not what is written. Gotta love your obvious cowardice in attribution. Wasn't it your post that was entitled 'Blogs: McConnell 'fiendishly clever'? Now when it's shown as a blatant attempt at shirking responsibility, you rename it the McConnel/Reid plan. Geez, what a pathetic poltroon.
    Posted by 12-Angry-Men[/QUOTE]

    I know the trusty blogs you read are always behind the curve but as I said try to keep up.  I hope you're not feeling too stupid, no you should feel that way.

    Factbox: McConnell-Reid backup plan on debt limit

    3:58pm EDT

    (Reuters) - A bipartisan fallback plan is emerging to avert an unprecedented U.S. debt default -- if Congress and the White House fail to reach a comprehensive deal to raise the U.S. borrowing limit by an August 2 deadline.

    The measure is being crafted by Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid with input from the White House.

    It would pin responsibility for raising the debt limit on President Barack Obama and his fellow Democrats in Congress.

    As first offered last week by McConnell, it would allow his Republicans to escape being blamed for a default by permitting a debt-limit increase without having to vote for it.

    It would allow Obama to raise the debt limit in three increments, totaling $2.5 trillion -- without any required spending cuts -- before next November's election provided Democrats go along with it.

    Reid wants to show that Democrats favor spending reductions by adding roughly $1.5 trillion in cuts to the plan.


     
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