Who's worse...our fine govt or deadbeats?

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    Who's worse...our fine govt or deadbeats?

    Oh hell...they both suck. Although this does go to show our govt can be trusted to run things efficiently and smoothly....yikes! I definitely want these people in charge of my health care...

     

    Massachusetts auditor finds more than 1,000 dead people on welfare

    A state audit today found Massachusetts has handed out $18 million in “questionable public assistance benefits” over the past few years, including welfare to more than 1,160 people who were either dead or using a deceased person’s Social Security number.

    The report, which covered food stamps, cash, and other benefits to low-income families, estimated that recipients using a dead person’s Social Security number alone received at least $2.4 million in between July 2010 and April 2012. It also flagged another $15 million in suspicious transactions from electronic benefit cards during the two-and-a-half-year period the auditor reviewed.

    State Auditor Suzanne Bump said she thought the bulk of the $1.7 billion a year in welfare programs the state provides each year was likely spent appropriately, but said she was disturbed that the state did not catch so many obvious signs of abuse or waste.

    “It pains all of us in the auditor’s office to think that the programs’s integrity is not being maintained,” Bump said in a telephone interview. “The most frustrating finding is that we were able to identify so many patterns of activity that could have raised suspicions, but did not.”

    The state Department of Transitional Assistance, which is charged with administering the benefits, told the state auditor almost a year ago that it was already in the process of addressing the issues, including comparing its list of welfare recipients to the Social Security Administration’s master list of dead people in July 2012 so it could end benefits to people who have died.

    Yet a month later, in August 2012, the state auditor found a majority of the dead recipients it checked were still receiving benefits, including many who actually started receiving aid for the first time after the beneficiary supposedly died.

    Stacey Monahan, interim director of the Department of Transitional Assistance, said last week the state has made significant progress in making sure benefits go only to those eligible to receive them, including matching its recipient list with information from other agencies, such as the Registry of Motor Vehicles and the Department of Revenue.

    Monahan’s predecessor, Daniel J. Curley, resigned in February after Inspector General Glenn Cunha reported that the agency failed to verify recipients’ eligibility, potentially costing the state $25 million a year in unwarranted payments. The US Department of Agriculture has demanded the state repay $27 million in misdirected food stamp benefits alone.

    In addition, the agency mailed voter registration forms to nearly half a million households in the state last year — but tens of thousands of forms were returned as undeliverable, suggesting the agency did not adequately track recipients to make sure they still lived in the state or were otherwise eligible for the benefits.

    The state audit also spotted scores of other cases of apparent fraud, including 26 instances where people were using multiple Social Security numbers to receive extra payments, 21 cases where the same Social Security number was used by multiple people and 40 cases where at least two different people both claimed the same person as a dependent.

    The state auditor also found another $15 million in suspicious transitions on electronic benefit cards - including nearly $5 million where all the food benefits were withdrawn at once; $4.6 million in transactions from distant states or territories (including Hawaii, Florida, and Puerto Rico); $3.6 million where recipients made multiple purchases or withdrawals within an hour; $1.5 million where recipients regularly rang up transactions in even dollar amounts (such as $100) and $840,000 where a card number was manually entered into a retail terminal instead of being swiped (suggesting a card user may have stolen the card number, but didn’t have the actual card).

    The audit covered three main benefit programs: the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (also known as food stamps), Transitional Aid to Families with Dependent Children, and Emergency Aid to Elderly, Disabled and Children -- which together provide help to nearly 900,000 recipients in the state.

     
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    Yet a month later, in August 2012, the state auditor found a majority of the dead recipients it checked were still receiving benefits, including many who actually started receiving aid for the first time after the beneficiary supposedly died.

    That is a special kind of ineptitude.

     

     
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    I agree that this is ridiculous. Part of the problem is that the state is not equipped to adequately investigate fraud. They either don't have the resources..or worse..when the money is funneled down from the feds..it is sometime a policy of "don't ask..don't tell". Regardless things like this should outrage the public as much as the IRS scandal does. 

    Honestly..there are ways to revamp the system and still be able to help those who need it. One of the best ways is expanding targeted benefits.

    At the end of the day..it is a money thing. I am guessing that the state government is gambling on the fact that the fraud and waste actually costs less than combating it. In order to eliminate or reduce fraud..you'd have to hire a lot more caseworkers to give them a chance to properly monitor each and every case.

     
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    I agree that this is ridiculous. Part of the problem is that the state is not equipped to adequately investigate fraud. They either don't have the resources..or worse..when the money is funneled down from the feds..it is sometime a policy of "don't ask..don't tell". Regardless things like this should outrage the public as much as the IRS scandal does. 

    Honestly..there are ways to revamp the system and still be able to help those who need it. One of the best ways is expanding targeted benefits.

    At the end of the day..it is a money thing. I am guessing that the state government is gambling on the fact that the fraud and waste actually costs less than combating it. In order to eliminate or reduce fraud..you'd have to hire a lot more caseworkers to give them a chance to properly monitor each and every case.



    The state is equipped just fine for this sort of thing.  

    The real problem is that they just don't care.

     
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    Apples and carburetors.

     

     
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    Apples and carburetors.

     



    I'm sure you have a point....what it is is anyones guess

     
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    I think that his point is that apples are not like carburators. Not one bit.

     

     
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    I think that his point is that apples are not like carburators. Not one bit.

     



    You are correct, sir.

     

     

     
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    I think that his point is that apples are not like carburators. Not one bit.

     



    Ah...spitting out random statements is always fun to do

     
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    I agree that this is ridiculous. Part of the problem is that the state is not equipped to adequately investigate fraud. They either don't have the resources..or worse..when the money is funneled down from the feds..it is sometime a policy of "don't ask..don't tell". Regardless things like this should outrage the public as much as the IRS scandal does. 

    Honestly..there are ways to revamp the system and still be able to help those who need it. One of the best ways is expanding targeted benefits.

    At the end of the day..it is a money thing. I am guessing that the state government is gambling on the fact that the fraud and waste actually costs less than combating it. In order to eliminate or reduce fraud..you'd have to hire a lot more caseworkers to give them a chance to properly monitor each and every case.

     



    The state is equipped just fine for this sort of thing.  

     

    The real problem is that they just don't care.




    No..they are not. To suggest caseworkers don't care is unfair. Caseworkers..by nature of being on the low end of the totem pole are overworked and set up to fail. They are given huge caseloads that they can't possibly have the time to manage properly.
     I am not surprised you are generalizing this...you seem to have taken the art of generalization to Olympic level.

    Now..if you want to discuss reorganization of state government so that the resources are directed to these types of activities rather than fat cat patronage positions...then I am on board with that.

     
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    Also, beach balls are not like stained glass windows. Just in case you were wondering.

     

     
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    Also, beach balls are not like stained glass windows. Just in case you were wondering.

     



    Funny you mention that...I WAS wondering. Thanks for the heads up.

     
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    Now..if you want to discuss reorganization of state government so that the resources are directed to these types of activities rather than fat cat patronage positions...then I am on board with that.

     

    Surely you jest. What would be the point of spending all that time and effort getting elected into a corrupt system if you can't take advantage of the corruption?

     

     
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    Now..if you want to discuss reorganization of state government so that the resources are directed to these types of activities rather than fat cat patronage positions...then I am on board with that.

     

     

    Surely you jest. What would be the point of spending all that time and effort getting elected into a corrupt system if you can't take advantage of the corruption?

     




    Haha..I was chuckling as I typed that for sure..but nevertheless..I want Skeeter to understand that it's the system that's broken..not the individuals. To suggest that low level caseworkers don't care is foolish. Especially when it's the higher ups who really are the one's that just..don't..care.

     
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    I think that his point is that apples are not like carburators. Not one bit.

     

     



    Ah...spitting out random statements is always fun to do

     



    As is spitting out random, baseless comparisons simply for their own sake.

     

     

     
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    I think that his point is that apples are not like carburators. Not one bit.

     

     



    Ah...spitting out random statements is always fun to do

     

     



    As is spitting out random, baseless comparisons simply for their own sake.

     

     

     



    Random...hmmmm...both the govt AND people who committed fraud are mentioned in the article. Not sure why you think it's random but um...ok...

     
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    I think that his point is that apples are not like carburators. Not one bit.

     

     



    Ah...spitting out random statements is always fun to do

     

     



    As is spitting out random, baseless comparisons simply for their own sake.

     

     

     

     



    Random...hmmmm...both the govt AND people who committed fraud are mentioned in the article. Not sure why you think it's random but um...ok...

     



    The specious comparison between welfare and health care atop the OP is the random bit.

     

     

     
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    I think that his point is that apples are not like carburators. Not one bit.

     

     



    Ah...spitting out random statements is always fun to do

     

     



    As is spitting out random, baseless comparisons simply for their own sake.

     

     

     

     



    Random...hmmmm...both the govt AND people who committed fraud are mentioned in the article. Not sure why you think it's random but um...ok...

     

     



    The specious comparison between welfare and health care atop the OP is the random bit.

     

     

     



    Wasn't comparing welfare and health care though. Just merely stated I'm not keen on our govt, which shows over and over and over that it doesn't run efficiently, in charge of my health care. If you want to see something that isn't there then keep it to yourself.

     

     
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    I think that his point is that apples are not like carburators. Not one bit.

     

     



    Ah...spitting out random statements is always fun to do

     

     



    As is spitting out random, baseless comparisons simply for their own sake.

     

     

     

     



    Random...hmmmm...both the govt AND people who committed fraud are mentioned in the article. Not sure why you think it's random but um...ok...

     

     



    The specious comparison between welfare and health care atop the OP is the random bit.

     

     

     

     



    Wasn't comparing welfare and health care though. Just merely stated I'm not keen on our govt, which shows over and over and over that it doesn't run efficiently, in charge of my health care. If you want to see something that isn't there then keep it to yourself.

     

     



    You're comparing the govt "running" welfare to the govt "running" health care.

    And I'm saying the comparison is specious, at best, and misleading, at worst.

     

    Your point about welfare program inefficiencies was fine until you succumbed to your inner skeeter and showed your azz.

    So, maybe you should heed your own advice....

     

     

     
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    Hey, dead people vote Democratic, they take care of their own. 

     
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    Hey, dead people vote Democratic, they take care of their own. 



    Blue IS their color.

     

     

     
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    I agree that this is ridiculous. Part of the problem is that the state is not equipped to adequately investigate fraud. They either don't have the resources..or worse..when the money is funneled down from the feds..it is sometime a policy of "don't ask..don't tell". Regardless things like this should outrage the public as much as the IRS scandal does. 

    Honestly..there are ways to revamp the system and still be able to help those who need it. One of the best ways is expanding targeted benefits.

    At the end of the day..it is a money thing. I am guessing that the state government is gambling on the fact that the fraud and waste actually costs less than combating it. In order to eliminate or reduce fraud..you'd have to hire a lot more caseworkers to give them a chance to properly monitor each and every case.

    "the state is not equipped to adequately investigate fraud."

    LOL!  Yes, the liberal answer is always to spend more tax money.....the more an agency screws up, the more funding they get. Their main purpose is to hire as many public sector workers as possible, to give away as much taxpayer loot as possible...they are succeeding beyind their wildest dreams. Giving welfare to dead people? We must hire a hundred more lieftime bureaucrats in a new "Department of not giving money to dead people"...

     A private sector entity would not pay its money to dead people...if it did, heads would roll.

     
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    I agree with Matty, it is totally unfair to compare the government running welfare systems to the government running health care...

    The proper comparison is the warmth and efficiency of the government-run Post Office, to the government running health care.

     

     
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    Oh hell...they both suck. Although this does go to show our govt can be trusted to run things efficiently and smoothly....yikes! I definitely want these people in charge of my health care...

     

    Massachusetts auditor finds more than 1,000 dead people on welfare

    A state audit today found Massachusetts has handed out $18 million in “questionable public assistance benefits” over the past few years, including welfare to more than 1,160 people who were either dead or using a deceased person’s Social Security number.

    The report, which covered food stamps, cash, and other benefits to low-income families, estimated that recipients using a dead person’s Social Security number alone received at least $2.4 million in between July 2010 and April 2012. It also flagged another $15 million in suspicious transactions from electronic benefit cards during the two-and-a-half-year period the auditor reviewed.

    State Auditor Suzanne Bump said she thought the bulk of the $1.7 billion a year in welfare programs the state provides each year was likely spent appropriately, but said she was disturbed that the state did not catch so many obvious signs of abuse or waste.

    “It pains all of us in the auditor’s office to think that the programs’s integrity is not being maintained,” Bump said in a telephone interview. “The most frustrating finding is that we were able to identify so many patterns of activity that could have raised suspicions, but did not.”

    The state Department of Transitional Assistance, which is charged with administering the benefits, told the state auditor almost a year ago that it was already in the process of addressing the issues, including comparing its list of welfare recipients to the Social Security Administration’s master list of dead people in July 2012 so it could end benefits to people who have died.

    Yet a month later, in August 2012, the state auditor found a majority of the dead recipients it checked were still receiving benefits, including many who actually started receiving aid for the first time after the beneficiary supposedly died.

    Stacey Monahan, interim director of the Department of Transitional Assistance, said last week the state has made significant progress in making sure benefits go only to those eligible to receive them, including matching its recipient list with information from other agencies, such as the Registry of Motor Vehicles and the Department of Revenue.

    Monahan’s predecessor, Daniel J. Curley, resigned in February after Inspector General Glenn Cunha reported that the agency failed to verify recipients’ eligibility, potentially costing the state $25 million a year in unwarranted payments. The US Department of Agriculture has demanded the state repay $27 million in misdirected food stamp benefits alone.

    In addition, the agency mailed voter registration forms to nearly half a million households in the state last year — but tens of thousands of forms were returned as undeliverable, suggesting the agency did not adequately track recipients to make sure they still lived in the state or were otherwise eligible for the benefits.

    The state audit also spotted scores of other cases of apparent fraud, including 26 instances where people were using multiple Social Security numbers to receive extra payments, 21 cases where the same Social Security number was used by multiple people and 40 cases where at least two different people both claimed the same person as a dependent.

    The state auditor also found another $15 million in suspicious transitions on electronic benefit cards - including nearly $5 million where all the food benefits were withdrawn at once; $4.6 million in transactions from distant states or territories (including Hawaii, Florida, and Puerto Rico); $3.6 million where recipients made multiple purchases or withdrawals within an hour; $1.5 million where recipients regularly rang up transactions in even dollar amounts (such as $100) and $840,000 where a card number was manually entered into a retail terminal instead of being swiped (suggesting a card user may have stolen the card number, but didn’t have the actual card).

    The audit covered three main benefit programs: the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (also known as food stamps), Transitional Aid to Families with Dependent Children, and Emergency Aid to Elderly, Disabled and Children -- which together provide help to nearly 900,000 recipients in the state.



    Well since you say you're in the health care business, you are officially biased.

    Thanks for showing up.

     
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    I think that his point is that apples are not like carburators. Not one bit.

     

     



    Ah...spitting out random statements is always fun to do

     

     



    As is spitting out random, baseless comparisons simply for their own sake.

     

     

     

     



    Random...hmmmm...both the govt AND people who committed fraud are mentioned in the article. Not sure why you think it's random but um...ok...

     

     



    The specious comparison between welfare and health care atop the OP is the random bit.

     

     

     

     



    Wasn't comparing welfare and health care though. Just merely stated I'm not keen on our govt, which shows over and over and over that it doesn't run efficiently, in charge of my health care. If you want to see something that isn't there then keep it to yourself.

     

     

     



    You're comparing the govt "running" welfare to the govt "running" health care.

     

    And I'm saying the comparison is specious, at best, and misleading, at worst.

     

    Your point about welfare program inefficiencies was fine until you succumbed to your inner skeeter and showed your azz.

    So, maybe you should heed your own advice....

     

     

    sorry...no matter how badly you want it to be..it ain't.

    i know you can't be wrong Sir Matty but guess there's always a first...; )

     

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