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Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from skeeter20. Show skeeter20's posts

    Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

     

    Basically, the company you work for is off the hook to provide you coverage, but you are not off the hook to buy coverage.

    Could it be to cause these companies to throw employees off of the plans they might want to keep, and force them into exchanges?

    The more you think about what the Democrats are doing here, the more it stinks.

     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from tvoter. Show tvoter's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?


    Yea, isnt this admin all about leveling the playing field?

    Its amazing how diehard obamanites will not question or be critical of any of this crap!!

     
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  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from UserName9. Show UserName9's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?


    Delaying the employer mandate leaves nearly nobody uninsured.

    Delaying the individual mandate would leave millions uninsured.

    duh!!

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from tvoter. Show tvoter's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to Bill-806's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    Basically, the company you work for is off the hook to provide you coverage, but you are not off the hook to buy coverage.

    Could it be to cause these companies to throw employees off of the plans they might want to keep, and force them into exchanges?

    The more you think about what the Democrats are doing here, the more it stinks.

     

    The "BIG O" has made 19 changes (on his own, without Congress) on his signature Health Bill ........   When did they change the job description from President to KING !!!! ???????



    When the POTUS get the authority to skirt the law at will, and on his own?

     
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    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to Bill-806's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

     

    Basically, the company you work for is off the hook to provide you coverage, but you are not off the hook to buy coverage.

    Could it be to cause these companies to throw employees off of the plans they might want to keep, and force them into exchanges?

    The more you think about what the Democrats are doing here, the more it stinks.

     

      The "BIG O" has made 19 changes (on his own, without Congress) on his signature Health Bill ........   When did they change the job description from President to KING !!!! ???????


     



    The Supream Court voted the bill to be constitutional right? Is it still contitutional after 19 changes? This is now a much different bill than the one they voted on. Can someone explain if that would change anything?    

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    The more you think about what the Democrats are doing here, the more it stinks.



    No, that's you you're smelling.

     

    Maybe time to lay off the dairy for a bit...?

     

     

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

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    The Supream Court voted the bill to be constitutional right? Is it still contitutional after 19 changes? This is now a much different bill than the one they voted on. Can someone explain if that would change anything?    

    Take it to court and find out....

     

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from tvoter. Show tvoter's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
    [/QUOTE]

     

    Take it to court and find out....

    [/QUOTE]


    When the POTUS get the authority to NOT follow the laws of the land and change them at will and, on his own?

     
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    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to newman09's comment:

     

     

    The Supream Court voted the bill to be constitutional right? Is it still contitutional after 19 changes? This is now a much different bill than the one they voted on. Can someone explain if that would change anything?    

     

     

    Take it to court and find out....

     



    OK... Thanks Matty. Full of the one liners today I see.

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from skeeter20. Show skeeter20's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to UserName9's comment:


    Delaying the employer mandate leaves nearly nobody uninsured.

    Delaying the individual mandate would leave millions uninsured.

    duh!!




    Conjecture on your part, right?

    If you are right, why do we need the employer mandate at all?  Why not just jettison it?

    Funny how you never answer these questions. Are they tripping you up?

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from skeeter20. Show skeeter20's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to newman09's comment:

    In response to Bill-806's comment:

     

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

     

    Basically, the company you work for is off the hook to provide you coverage, but you are not off the hook to buy coverage.

    Could it be to cause these companies to throw employees off of the plans they might want to keep, and force them into exchanges?

    The more you think about what the Democrats are doing here, the more it stinks.

     

      The "BIG O" has made 19 changes (on his own, without Congress) on his signature Health Bill ........   When did they change the job description from President to KING !!!! ???????


     

     



    The Supream Court voted the bill to be constitutional right? Is it still contitutional after 19 changes? This is now a much different bill than the one they voted on. Can someone explain if that would change anything?    

     



    The bill, as legislated, and found consitutional, is not the one being implemented. 

    Will one of you wicked smaht progressives square this circle for us?

     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from skeeter20. Show skeeter20's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

    The more you think about what the Democrats are doing here, the more it stinks.

     



    No, that's you you're smelling.

     

     

    Maybe time to lay off the dairy for a bit...?

     

     



    Lay off the dairy?  How will I heat my house?

     
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  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    In response to newman09's comment:

     

    In response to Bill-806's comment:

     

     

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

     

    Basically, the company you work for is off the hook to provide you coverage, but you are not off the hook to buy coverage.

    Could it be to cause these companies to throw employees off of the plans they might want to keep, and force them into exchanges?

    The more you think about what the Democrats are doing here, the more it stinks.

     

      The "BIG O" has made 19 changes (on his own, without Congress) on his signature Health Bill ........   When did they change the job description from President to KING !!!! ???????


     

     

     



    The Supream Court voted the bill to be constitutional right? Is it still contitutional after 19 changes? This is now a much different bill than the one they voted on. Can someone explain if that would change anything?    

     

     

     



    The bill, as legislated, and found consitutional, is not the one being implemented. 

    As far as the court is concerned, yes it is.

     

     
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    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    In response to UserName9's comment:

     


    Delaying the employer mandate leaves nearly nobody uninsured.

    Delaying the individual mandate would leave millions uninsured.

    duh!!

     




    Conjecture on your part, right?

     

    If you are right, why do we need the employer mandate at all?  Why not just jettison it?

    Funny how you never answer these questions. Are they tripping you up?




    I'm not so sure we need an employer mandate.  The number of people impacted by it is miniscule.  There...I answered.

     

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

     

    The more you think about what the Democrats are doing here, the more it stinks.

     

     



    No, that's you you're smelling.

     

     

     

    Maybe time to lay off the dairy for a bit...?

     

     

     



    Lay off the dairy?  How will I heat my house?

     



    I'm sure you have enough organic matter lying around.  

    From here, you appear positively full of it.

     

     

     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    In response to UserName9's comment:

     


    Delaying the employer mandate leaves nearly nobody uninsured.

    Delaying the individual mandate would leave millions uninsured.

    duh!!

     




    Conjecture on your part, right?

     

    If you are right, why do we need the employer mandate at all?  Why not just jettison it?

     



    You might as well ask why any business anywhere would be daft enough to want to insure their employees and preserve their productivity...

    ...and why some don't.

     

     

     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from tvoter. Show tvoter's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:

    tvoter was understandably furious about Bush's signing statements and his 1,100+ 'challenges' to provisions of laws.

     

    He was so mad he forgot to complain.




    Did he change a law for some but, not all??

     
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  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from tvoter. Show tvoter's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

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    Presidents have been "changing" the laws, whether it be through signing statements, challenges, decisions about the what/where/when/why/how to enforce a law, delegation to administrative agencies to promulgate regulations to put the laws into effect. 

    It's been that way for a lot longer than Obama has been alive. So let's not pretend this is something new, originating with Obama (aka, let's not lie...k?)



    We're not talking about challenging a law or signing statements!! We talking about a POTUS stating arbitrarily and without explanation that "this block of people do not have to obey the law but, these people in similar circumstances do" with no explanation! When on top of that the law in question takes monies away from these people who are no allowed a delay on the law and these people have less income than those that he exempted!!

    I challenge to find one time something like this has happened!

     
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  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from tvoter. Show tvoter's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:


    Presidents have been "changing" the laws, whether it be through signing statements, challenges, decisions about the what/where/when/why/how to enforce a law, delegation to administrative agencies to promulgate regulations to put the laws into effect. 

    It's been that way for a lot longer than Obama has been alive. So let's not pretend this is something new, originating with Obama (aka, let's not lie...k?)



    We're not talking about challenging a law or signing statements!! We talking about a POTUS stating arbitrarily and without explanation that "this block of people do not have to obey the law but, these people in similar circumstances do" with no explanation! When on top of that the law in question takes monies away from these people who are no allowed a delay on the law and these people have less income than those that he exempted!!

    I challenge to find one time something like this has happened!



    I wonder if, nwdywn is frantically trying to find something to counter with or if, the swine is just ignoring it. lmfao!!

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from skeeter20. Show skeeter20's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

    In response to newman09's comment:

     

     

     

    In response to Bill-806's comment:

     

     

     

     

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

     

    Basically, the company you work for is off the hook to provide you coverage, but you are not off the hook to buy coverage.

    Could it be to cause these companies to throw employees off of the plans they might want to keep, and force them into exchanges?

    The more you think about what the Democrats are doing here, the more it stinks.

     

      The "BIG O" has made 19 changes (on his own, without Congress) on his signature Health Bill ........   When did they change the job description from President to KING !!!! ???????


     

     

     

     



    The Supream Court voted the bill to be constitutional right? Is it still contitutional after 19 changes? This is now a much different bill than the one they voted on. Can someone explain if that would change anything?    

     

     

     

     

     



    The bill, as legislated, and found consitutional, is not the one being implemented. 

     

     

     

    As far as the court is concerned, yes it is.

     



    Well, no it's not. You don't get to live in your own little fantasy world.

     
  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from skeeter20. Show skeeter20's posts

    Re: Why did Obama delay the Employer mandate, but not the individual mandate?

    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

     

    You forgot to mention that the directives have to have been signed left handed and that the person issuing the order must be someone who "isn't one of us". After all, ya can't leave any wiggle room else you might not get the exact answer you want.

     

    Well here's two example where the Bush administration issued "prosecutorial discretion" memos when dealing with illegal immigrants.

    One allowed people stay in the country when "compelling reasons exist," such as an unauthorized immigrant being a relative of a US servicemember or for "sympathetic humanitarian factors."

    Another Bush administration memo allowed immigration officials to consider letting people who had health problems or were taking care of sick relatives remain in the United States.

    As for the money aspect, anyone who is allowed to remain in the US will make more money and have a higher standard of living than those that are deported.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22092975/ICE-Guidance-Memo-Prosecutorial-Discretion-William-J-Howard-10-24-05

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22092973/ICE-Guidance-Memo-Prosecutorial-Discretion-Julie-Myers-11-7-07

     



    BUSH DID IT!!

     

    Whew.  That makes it ok.

    but, strange that the only thing you can come up with is immigration stuff.  Any cases where Bush signed an executive order saying oil companies don't have to pay taxes? That is essentially what Obama is doing.

     

    But, it is Obama, and everything he does smells like freshly baked bread to this dimwitted liberals.

     
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