Why is the left so afraid to allow people to choose?

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    Why is the left so afraid to allow people to choose?

    According to the policies of the left:

    You need to buy health insurance or be fined.

    That health insurance needs to contain things the left says you need, like birth control.

    Why is the left so afraid to allow people to make their own decisions?  Why are they afraid to let people choose?
     
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    So Skeeter is now pro-choice.  An amazing transformation. 
     
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    [QUOTE]For the moonbats it is not about choice, it is about money. According to the moonbats if you do not have money then you do not have choice so someone needs to pay for those that can't. Housing and healthcare are "rights" according to these people. That is just faulty reasoning to support their need for the government to take money from people. Funny thing though - housing and healthcare are not in the Constitution as rights. On the other hand, the right to bear arms is and we have yet to hear from the moonbats on a welfare plan to pay for guns for the poor that can't afford them. So you know right there it is not about rights or choice. It is all about money. They are just commies at heart. Too lazy or scared to make it in their own.
    Posted by Newtster[/QUOTE]

    Do you think after about two hundred years of tax supported universal schooling that education is a right yet?  Was Horace Mann just another commie? And seriously... "commie"? All the other industrialized nations are communist countries because they have national health? Do you even think about what you are saying?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Why is the left so afraid to allow people to choose? : Do you think after about two hundred years of tax supported universal schooling that education is a right yet?  Was Horace Mann just another commie? And seriously... "commie"? All the other industrialized nations are communist countries because they have national health? Do you even think about what you are saying?
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    You don't have rights to things, you have rights to pursue things.  You don't have a right to get an education, you have a right to pursue an education.


     
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    [QUOTE]So Skeeter is now pro-choice.  An amazing transformation. 
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]


    Is there a point in there, or just more of your meaningless dribble?  Just let me know, so, I know whether to ignore you or not.
     
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    When people are allowed to make their own decisions this is what happens:

    1. They choose to text while driving.

    2. They choose to eat foods that are bad for their bodies and clog their arteries.

    3. They choose reality T.V. shows that are bringing the morals and intelligence of our country back into the dark ages.

    4. They watch the movie instead of reading the book.

    5. They buy lottery tickets , even though the odds of winning are about the same as getting hit by lightning on a sunny day.

    6. They buy illegal drugs for an artificial high while destroying their bodies and contributing to organized crime and murder around the world.

    7. They drink themselves silly on "special days" , like 4th of July ,St. Patricks Day, New Years Day and the Superbowl, because the beer and liquor companies have brainwashed them into thinking it's "what everyone does" and that it is cool to look and act like a fool.

    8. They park in handicapped spots when they are in a rush, because their current errand is more important than anything an old , crippled person could possibly have to do.

    9. They run out and buy all their Xmas gifts on Black Friday , because everything is cheaper, regardless of whether it is actually something the recipient needs or wants ( and most of these people are buying the "gifts" for themselves anyway...because, you know, it's the thought that counts).

    But I suppose this mainly refers to stupid people , not the rest of us.

    However, in a free country , you cannot give choice to only the smart people....so it's a catch 22. Sadly, stupid people have choice too. when you give people choices, many of them will make the wrong ones. This is a big problem with the world today , too many people are making too many bad choices, which endanger all of us. This is why your auto insurance companies advertise so much, because these so called "accidents' are not "accidental" they are the result of some idiot doing something stupid behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, instead of just driving the darn thing and running their social lives when they get home.
     
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    10. and apparently leash their mutts up outside for over eight hours.

     
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    Yes, cruelty to animals is high on the list of what stupid people do.

    The smart choice if you do not like animals, is for you to not own a pet.

    Seems so simple to an intelligent guy.
     
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    [QUOTE]When people are allowed to make their own decisions this is what happens: 1. They choose to text while driving. 2. They choose to eat foods that are bad for their bodies and clog their arteries. 3. They choose reality T.V. shows that are bringing the morals and intelligence of our country back into the dark ages. 4. They watch the movie instead of reading the book. 5. They buy lottery tickets , even though the odds of winning are about the same as getting hit by lightning on a sunny day. 6. They buy illegal drugs for an artificial high while destroying their bodies and contributing to organized crime and murder around the world. 7. They drink themselves silly on "special days" , like 4th of July ,St. Patricks Day, New Years Day and the Superbowl, because the beer and liquor companies have brainwashed them into thinking it's "what everyone does" and that it is cool to look and act like a fool. 8. They park in handicapped spots when they are in a rush, because their current errand is more important than anything an old , crippled person could possibly have to do. 9. They run out and buy all their Xmas gifts on Black Friday , because everything is cheaper, regardless of whether it is actually something the recipient needs or wants ( and most of these people are buying the "gifts" for themselves anyway...because, you know, it's the thought that counts). But I suppose this mainly refers to stupid people , not the rest of us. However, in a free country , you cannot give choice to only the smart people....so it's a catch 22. Sadly, stupid people have choice too. when you give people choices, many of them will make the wrong ones. This is a big problem with the world today , too many people are making too many bad choices, which endanger all of us. This is why your auto insurance companies advertise so much, because these so called "accidents' are not "accidental" they are the result of some idiot doing something stupid behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, instead of just driving the darn thing and running their social lives when they get home.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]

    I'll put you down as supporting a non-free people.
     
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    [QUOTE]When people are allowed to make their own decisions this is what happens: 1. They choose to text while driving. 2. They choose to eat foods that are bad for their bodies and clog their arteries. 3. They choose reality T.V. shows that are bringing the morals and intelligence of our country back into the dark ages. 4. They watch the movie instead of reading the book. 5. They buy lottery tickets , even though the odds of winning are about the same as getting hit by lightning on a sunny day. 6. They buy illegal drugs for an artificial high while destroying their bodies and contributing to organized crime and murder around the world. 7. They drink themselves silly on "special days" , like 4th of July ,St. Patricks Day, New Years Day and the Superbowl, because the beer and liquor companies have brainwashed them into thinking it's "what everyone does" and that it is cool to look and act like a fool. 8. They park in handicapped spots when they are in a rush, because their current errand is more important than anything an old , crippled person could possibly have to do. 9. They run out and buy all their Xmas gifts on Black Friday , because everything is cheaper, regardless of whether it is actually something the recipient needs or wants ( and most of these people are buying the "gifts" for themselves anyway...because, you know, it's the thought that counts). But I suppose this mainly refers to stupid people , not the rest of us. However, in a free country , you cannot give choice to only the smart people....so it's a catch 22. Sadly, stupid people have choice too. when you give people choices, many of them will make the wrong ones. This is a big problem with the world today , too many people are making too many bad choices, which endanger all of us. This is why your auto insurance companies advertise so much, because these so called "accidents' are not "accidental" they are the result of some idiot doing something stupid behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, instead of just driving the darn thing and running their social lives when they get home.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]

    When I write, I am sarcastic a ot of times and people misunderstand my intent and meaning.....PLEASE tell me the above was an attempt at humor and sarcasm....

    Or...that you are writing from and living in Havana, Moscow or Bejing.....

    The last time I checked, we all live in America...freedom to choose, freedo to live our lives, make our own choices, you know...Live Free or Die....  This is what makes us great.

    The idea that the minority who "knows better" should rule the majority is the type of bahavior that makes the majority angry. This country was founded on the notion that it's citizens and individuals know better and should be free to make their own choices and take responsibility for their own lives....NOT have those decisons made for us or be limited in our freedoms to choose.

    Remember this document??...read it, maybe you will understand America better....if I missed your sarcasm and you were just joking about being the supreme being responsible for telling the rest of us how to live our lives...my apologies. Below is the essence of America.....you will learn a lot. 

    When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

    He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

    He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

    He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

    He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

    He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

    He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

    He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

    For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

    For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

    For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

    For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

    He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

    He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

    He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

    He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

    He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

    In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

    Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

    We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.



     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Why is the left so afraid to allow people to choose? : Is there a point in there, or just more of your meaningless dribble?  Just let me know, so, I know whether to ignore you or not.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    The fact that you cannot draw the rather obvious connection of accusing the left of being afraid to allow choice while being anti-choice yourself (i.e. abortion rights)shows you are rather dull.  Your post is obviously "meaningless dribble": you believe in rights only when you get to define them. 
     
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    Some liberals want to tell us what to eat, what to drive, what temperature we should keep our houses at, how to practice religion, whether or not we can drink bottled water, whether or not we can say Merry Christmas to someone, whether or not our kids can wear a t-shirt with a pumpkin on it to school in October and regulate whether or not we should have the right to defend ourselves.

    Some conservatives want to regulate a woman's body, take away individual choices about contraception and abortion and decide which religions are best for our country based on a fear of the unknown.

    Both are wrong.  Both go against the premise of choice, liberty and freedom.  People will make the wrong decisions for themselves, that's okay because in life there are always consequences to making poor decisions, when a few who think they know better start telling the majority what to do we have a problem.

    Both parties are guilty of this.....liberals are just plain wrong and warped and conservatives who do this are hypocrites.  

    I am going to get in my SUV now, buy beer and some toxic cleaner to use on my three toilets, possibly drink out an evil plastic bottle of water, buy meat that came from an abused cow, and emit carbon dioxide into the air using an oversized Weber grill........if people don't like it....then too bad, I worked hard this week, paid plenty of taxes and deserve it....it's called AMERICA...choice, freedom and liberty. 

     ( yes i did exercise today, eat vegetables and put the plastic bottle in the recycle bin....NOT because someone told me to do it, but because it was the right thing to do in MY mind....Americans overwhelmingly, when given the choice, make the right decision, it's in our genetic makeup to get angry when we are FORCED to do something....no seatbelt law where I live which I am fine with.....I wear my seatbelt because it's the smart thing to do...and nobody is standing over me threatening me with a fine or imprisonment)

     
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    [QUOTE]For the moonbats it is not about choice, it is about money. According to the moonbats if you do not have money then you do not have choice so someone needs to pay for those that can't. Housing and healthcare are "rights" according to these people. That is just faulty reasoning to support their need for the government to take money from people. Funny thing though - housing and healthcare are not in the Constitution as rights. On the other hand, the right to bear arms is and we have yet to hear from the moonbats on a welfare plan to pay for guns for the poor that can't afford them. So you know right there it is not about rights or choice. It is all about money. They are just commies at heart. Too lazy or scared to make it in their own.
    Posted by Newtster[/QUOTE]

    There is one moonbat, who pandered hard for the title -- your adopted namesake.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Why is the left so afraid to allow people to choose? : The fact that you cannot draw the rather obvious connection of accusing the left of being afraid to allow choice while being anti-choice yourself (i.e. abortion rights)shows you are rather dull.  Your post is obviously "meaningless dribble": you believe in rights only when you get to define them. 
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    How am I anti choice?  I don't think I have taken an anti choice position.  Tell me, I really want to know.
     
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    Forgotten in the questions of whether we "can"...

    ...are the questions of whether we "should" in the first place.


    While I agree in general that there are too many restrictions against doing the wrong thing, I temper that by saying there are also not enough consequences for doing the wrong thing.

    And I agree in general that many on the left do proceed with an assumption that they know what's best, and that I'm guilty of it myself some times.  But there's a sincere difference between taking charge and taking responsibility, and I think it's all of our responsibilities to speak out and stand up for those who - for whatever reason - can't do it themselves.
     
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    And yes, "pro-life" = "anti-choice".

    For that matter...

    Universal health care = "pro-life"
    Anti-death penalty = "pro-life"
    Pro-higher education = "pro-life"
    Anti-war = "pro-life"
    Anti-pollution = "pro-life"
     
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    [QUOTE]And yes, "pro-life" = "anti-choice". For that matter... Universal health care = "pro-life" Anti-death penalty = "pro-life" Pro-higher education = "pro-life" Anti-war = "pro-life" Anti-pollution = "pro-life"
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    Pro-choice on abortion is nothing of the sort.  It is merely a mechanism to soften the blow of choosing to end a life for the convenience of another.  that's not pro-choice, pro-convienience.

    The true choice is economic.  Let me choose to do with my money what I want to the greatest extent possible, within bounds of interfering with anyone else's freedom to choose.

    I know this concept of personal responsibility and personal liberty is foreign to you, as you hold a collectivist mindset.
     
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    [QUOTE]And yes, "pro-life" = "anti-choice". For that matter... Universal health care = "pro-life" Anti-death penalty = "pro-life" Pro-higher education = "pro-life" Anti-war = "pro-life" Anti-pollution = "pro-life"
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]


    the rest of you list is a stupid application of an extreme reduction.
     
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    [QUOTE]Forgotten in the questions of whether we "can"... ...are the questions of whether we "should" in the first place. While I agree in general that there are too many restrictions against doing the wrong thing, I temper that by saying there are also not enough consequences for doing the wrong thing. And I agree in general that many on the left do proceed with an assumption that they know what's best, and that I'm guilty of it myself some times.  But there's a sincere difference between taking charge and taking responsibility, and I think it's all of our responsibilities to speak out and stand up for those who - for whatever reason - can't do it themselves.
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    Of Course.  However, in a free society we don't do that at the expense of others, at least not to the extent we have now, such as:  in order to provide health care to the few who can't afford it, we will encumber all those who can afford it wit ht  government controlled and mandated coverage.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Why is the left so afraid to allow people to choose? : The true choice is economic.  Let me choose to do with my money what I want to the greatest extent possible, within bounds of interfering with anyone else's freedom to choose.Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    And I submit that the decision to have a child, especially in this day and age, is also very much an economic one.

    Therefore, both contraception and abortion are often economic as well as health decisions.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Why is the left so afraid to allow people to choose? : Of Course.  However, in a free society we don't do that at the expense of others, at least not to the extent we have now, such as:  in order to provide health care to the few who can't afford it, we will encumber all those who can afford it wit ht  government controlled and mandated coverage.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    Well, that depends what our options are.  If we can cover everyone without mandates, then by all means, let's do it...

    ...but if we can't, and mandates are the only way to get everyone on board, then that's what it takes.  I hope it doesn't come to that, but the opposition isn't making it any easier.


    I'll quote a favorite pulp flick, The Untouchables, when Malone says to Ness, "Oh yeah, and THEN what are you prepared to do...?"

    And the answer should always be, "Whatever it takes".
     
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