"Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us"

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    Health care policy for liberals is like all liberal policies .

    1) Government intervention on a small scale fails, makes the problems worse. Subsidizes failure.

    2) Citing the failure, liberals lobby for more governmment intervention to fix the failures.

    3) Rinse and repeat.

    ObamaCare's massive failures will lead to a "crisis" , and a good place for the Left: single-payer, socialized medicine.

     

     

     
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    Health care policy for liberals is like all liberal policies .

    1) Government intervention on a small scale fails, makes the problems worse. Subsidizes failure.

    2) Citing the failure, liberals lobby for more governmment intervention to fix the failures.

    3) Rinse and repeat.

    ObamaCare's massive failures will lead to a "crisis" , and a good place for the Left: single-payer, socialized medicine.

     

     



    I suggest you read the article and then come up with solutions to the obvious problems related there.  It is far too easy to rail against others while coming up with nothing of your own.  Be honest: you just don't care.

     
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    Which plans do this?

     

    And no plan is going to run to physicians to find out if members are smoking. I worked for an insurer for 10 years. It doesn't happen. 



    My employer's group plan, for one.

    Thankfully, I quit smoking long ago.

    There's no way of knowing how strict the compliance policy is, but the disincentive is there.  

    That you never saw it happen does not mean that it doesn't happen now.

     

    Now, re: a "fat tax", which is what we were talking about, there is no conceptual difference.  So, can we assume you're ok with this "smoker tax", too...?

    The question becomes how much control we allow the insurers to exert over our lifestyles and whether premiums should reflect that...even within the cold comfort of an employer-sponsored plan.

     

     

     
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    Health care policy for liberals is like all liberal policies .

    1) Government intervention on a small scale fails, makes the problems worse. Subsidizes failure.

    2) Citing the failure, liberals lobby for more governmment intervention to fix the failures.

    3) Rinse and repeat.

    ObamaCare's massive failures will lead to a "crisis" , and a good place for the Left: single-payer, socialized medicine.

     

     



    It's not the government's fault that people can't save enough money on their own to cover medical expenses and thus look to the private insurance market to bridge the gap.

    However, without Medicare and the VA subsidizing the health care field with sheer volume of purchases, health care costs would be even higher than they are now.

     

    Repetition For The Dense #1,063: We already HAVE so-called "socialized medicine".  And it's recipients largely couldn't be happier with it.

     

     

     

     
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    Health care policy for liberals is like all liberal policies .

    1) Government intervention on a small scale fails, makes the problems worse. Subsidizes failure.

    2) Citing the failure, liberals lobby for more governmment intervention to fix the failures.

    3) Rinse and repeat.

    ObamaCare's massive failures will lead to a "crisis" , and a good place for the Left: single-payer, socialized medicine.

     

     

     



    I suggest you read the article and then come up with solutions to the obvious problems related there.  It is far too easy to rail against others while coming up with nothing of your own.  Be honest: you just don't care.

     

     



    False choice.  How can we come up with solutions to a government created problem?  Particularly when the only solutions you will listen to are solutions that involve government?

     

    Kinda like the "conversation on gun control".  In reality, it means my mind is made up, so you (meaning me and crackup) shut up.

     
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    Which plans do this?

     

    And no plan is going to run to physicians to find out if members are smoking. I worked for an insurer for 10 years. It doesn't happen. 

     



    My employer's group plan, for one.

     

    Thankfully, I quit smoking long ago.

    There's no way of knowing how strict the compliance policy is, but the disincentive is there.  

    That you never saw it happen does not mean that it doesn't happen now.

     

    Now, re: a "fat tax", which is what we were talking about, there is no conceptual difference.  So, can we assume you're ok with this "smoker tax", too...?

    The question becomes how much control we allow the insurers to exert over our lifestyles and whether premiums should reflect that...even within the cold comfort of an employer-sponsored plan.

     

     

     



    I'm definitely ok with a smokers tax. Anyone moronic enough to smoke deserves to be taxed for it

     



    Well, there you go, then.  So there should be no problem with a "fat tax", much less the govt levying the same type of surcharge on medicare and medicaid recips.

    And it's worth mentioning certain politicians who wish to implement a "fat tax" of sorts on sales of tonic and candy.

    Why stop there?  What about giant burgers, fried chicken and cheescake?

    Where does it end?  (other than the morgue)

     

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

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    False choice.  How can we come up with solutions to a government created problem?  



    You're suggesting the spiraling costs of health care are a "govt-created problem"?  Really?!?

    Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

     

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

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    Which plans do this?

     

    And no plan is going to run to physicians to find out if members are smoking. I worked for an insurer for 10 years. It doesn't happen. 

     



    My employer's group plan, for one.

     

    Thankfully, I quit smoking long ago.

    There's no way of knowing how strict the compliance policy is, but the disincentive is there.  

    That you never saw it happen does not mean that it doesn't happen now.

     

    Now, re: a "fat tax", which is what we were talking about, there is no conceptual difference.  So, can we assume you're ok with this "smoker tax", too...?

    The question becomes how much control we allow the insurers to exert over our lifestyles and whether premiums should reflect that...even within the cold comfort of an employer-sponsored plan.

     

     

     



    I'm definitely ok with a smokers tax. Anyone moronic enough to smoke deserves to be taxed for it

     

     



    Well, there you go, then.  So there should be no problem with a "fat tax", much less the govt levying the same type of surcharge on medicare and medicaid recips.

     

    And it's worth mentioning certain politicians who wish to implement a "fat tax" of sorts on sales of tonic and candy.

    Why stop there?  What about giant burgers, fried chicken and cheescake?

    Where does it end?  (other than the morgue)

     



    It ends in a liberal uptia:  A social fascist nation full of people with pasted on smiles,all dressed in gray.

     
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    It ends in a liberal uptia:  A social fascist nation full of people with pasted on smiles,all dressed in gray.

     



    You're not paying attention.  The smoker surcharge is a private sector creation.  Cost mitigation of insuring employees.

     

     

     

     
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     "By contrast, European colleges spend far less on sports and use their resources to train medical practitioners and other professionals who work for society's good"

    Liberals just love Euro-socialism...become a doctor, work for the State...all for "society's good", comrade..




    The Euro model was financed by the American taxpayer financed Marshall Plan. Israel's socialist system is financed by American taxpayers today. Comrade, indeed ......

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    Health care policy for liberals is like all liberal policies .

    1) Government intervention on a small scale fails, makes the problems worse. Subsidizes failure.

    2) Citing the failure, liberals lobby for more governmment intervention to fix the failures.

    3) Rinse and repeat.

    ObamaCare's massive failures will lead to a "crisis" , and a good place for the Left: single-payer, socialized medicine.

     

     

     



    I suggest you read the article and then come up with solutions to the obvious problems related there.  It is far too easy to rail against others while coming up with nothing of your own.  Be honest: you just don't care.

     

     



    False choice.  How can we come up with solutions to a government created problem?  Particularly when the only solutions you will listen to are solutions that involve government?

     

    Kinda like the "conversation on gun control".  In reality, it means my mind is made up, so you (meaning me and crackup) shut up.



    Read the article: it is not a government based problem.  Getting charged by a private provider an exorbitant amount for basic healthcare that is much cheaper elsewhere has NOTHING to do with government and EVERYTHING to do with greed.  And again you just don't care...

     
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    Which plans do this?

     

    And no plan is going to run to physicians to find out if members are smoking. I worked for an insurer for 10 years. It doesn't happen. 

     



    My employer's group plan, for one.

     

    Thankfully, I quit smoking long ago.

    There's no way of knowing how strict the compliance policy is, but the disincentive is there.  

    That you never saw it happen does not mean that it doesn't happen now.

     

    Now, re: a "fat tax", which is what we were talking about, there is no conceptual difference.  So, can we assume you're ok with this "smoker tax", too...?

    The question becomes how much control we allow the insurers to exert over our lifestyles and whether premiums should reflect that...even within the cold comfort of an employer-sponsored plan.

     

     

     



    I'm definitely ok with a smokers tax. Anyone moronic enough to smoke deserves to be taxed for it

     

     



    Well, there you go, then.  So there should be no problem with a "fat tax", much less the govt levying the same type of surcharge on medicare and medicaid recips.

     

    And it's worth mentioning certain politicians who wish to implement a "fat tax" of sorts on sales of tonic and candy.

    Why stop there?  What about giant burgers, fried chicken and cheescake?

    Where does it end?  (other than the morgue)

     

     



    It ends in a liberal uptia:  A social fascist nation full of people with pasted on smiles,all dressed in gray.

     



    You spew nonsense.  

    Go make your rants on the street corner with your poster of Obama with a Hitler moustache.  That's where you belong.

     
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    False choice.  How can we come up with solutions to a government created problem?  

     



    You're suggesting the spiraling costs of health care are a "govt-created problem"?  Really?!?

     

    Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

     



    Wow, this coming from a self-admitted whiny-liberal!

    I thought you folks didn't believe in personal responsibility, it's always someone elses fault!

    Or in Ruby's case, just blame whitey!

    BTW, love the Hitler reference, it's so you!

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

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    False choice.  How can we come up with solutions to a government created problem?  

     



    You're suggesting the spiraling costs of health care are a "govt-created problem"?  Really?!?

     

    Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

     

     



    Wow, this coming from a self-admitted whiny-liberal!

     

    I thought you folks didn't believe in personal responsibility, it's always someone elses fault!

    Or in Ruby's case, just blame whitey!

    BTW, love the Hitler reference, it's so you!




    It wasn't my reference, chumly, but there you go being all wrong n' stuff again....

     

     
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    I don't drink soda and rarely ever eat candy so I have no concern over fat tax. I don't eat fried chicken or cheesecake either. I eat burgers but not "giant" ones so again I'm good : )

     



    Congrats.  What do you want?  An award for "Most Likely to Take Care of Numero Uno Pronto"...?

     

    Too bad...I could point you toward some really outstanding fried chicken.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Meeeeooooow....


    Don't get me started on veterinary bills...even though they tend to be more transparent than the human ones.

     
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    Medical bills are killing us because medical advances that keep us alive make us use even more medical services.  About 10 years ago, my sister was in a bad car accident.  20 years ago, she would have died from her brain injury.  But medical advances since then kept her alive.  She was in ICU for 2 weeks and then spent 6 months in a rehab hospital.

    Take the soldiers in Afghanistan.  20-30 years ago, the IEDs would ave killed the soldiers.  Because of tech advances, the solders survive te explosions, but they have terrible injures that are expensive to treat.

    40 years ago, if you had high cholesterol, you tried to manage it diet and exercise, often failing.  You finally had a heart atack and died.  Now, you take meds, and if you have a heart atack, they are more likely to save you, but at a cost.

    but here s how you keep medical costS down.  Tax food that are bad for people.  Tax sugar, white flour, etc.  Use the revenue to subsidze fitness programs.

     
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    Corporations in the Fortune 500 deduct medical costs on their tax returns which means taxpayers subsidize their expenses.

    Why no complaint from the far right?

     
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    Corporations in the Fortune 500 deduct medical costs on their tax returns which means taxpayers subsidize their expenses.

    Why no complaint from the far right?

     



    They would be stupid not too. Thats a non-reimbursed buisness expense.

     

     
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