Why Romney Lost

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    Both Romney and Bush pushed MAJOR liberal ideas and programs!!!!  Yet you still consider them conservative.  MAN! wake up!

    What do you have to do to be a liberal in your book?  Have Stalin tatooed on your forearm?

    Unbeleiveable.  

    YOU are the one that insist on treating women like cattle.  If their value might diminish due to pregancy, TERMINATE IT!!!!  No different than cattle on a farm.

    I have faith that women can think through tese moral issues more than you do, obvisouly. 

    Go down to the plough and stars and bask in your win. 

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    But again, the health care reforms were indeed conservative ideas when they were pushed by Repubs.  They didn't magically become less conservative over time.  The party simply drifted away from them.

    Reagan raised taxes and spent like a sailor.  That didn't make him less of a conservative, just practical.

    For most women, contraception is NOT a moral issue, and abortion is only a moral issue some times.  In either case, BOTH are private matters that have NOTHING to do with you.  So, stop pretending that they do.

    You see, part of conservatism - if you understand its history - is rooted in pragmatism, not a rigid agenda of black-white paradigms.  Real conservatism recognizes that events are malleable and progress is inevitable, even if it means doing some things they might not care for.  Absolutism - much less religious fundamentalism - is NOT a conservative ideal in any way.

    David Cameron said it best, that he supports same-sex marriage because he's a conservative, not in spite of it.

     

     
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    Both Romney and Bush pushed MAJOR liberal ideas and programs!!!!  Yet you still consider them conservative.  MAN! wake up!

    What do you have to do to be a liberal in your book?  Have Stalin tatooed on your forearm?

    Unbeleiveable.  

    YOU are the one that insist on treating women like cattle.  If their value might diminish due to pregancy, TERMINATE IT!!!!  No different than cattle on a farm.

    I have faith that women can think through tese moral issues more than you do, obvisouly. 

    Go down to the plough and stars and bask in your win. 

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    But again, the health care reforms were indeed conservative ideas when they were pushed by Repubs.  They didn't magically become less conservative over time.  The party simply drifted away from them.

    Reagan raised taxes and spent like a sailor.  That didn't make him less of a conservative, just practical.

    For most women, contraception is NOT a moral issue, and abortion is only a moral issue some times.  In either case, BOTH are private matters that have NOTHING to do with you.  So, stop pretending that they do.

    You see, part of conservatism - if you understand its history - is rooted in pragmatism, not a rigid agenda of black-white paradigms.  Real conservatism recognizes that events are malleable and progress is inevitable, even if it means doing some things they might not care for.  Absolutism - much less religious fundamentalism - is NOT a conservative ideal in any way.

    David Cameron said it best, that he supports same-sex marriage because he's a conservative, not in spite of it.

     

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    The question is not do conservatives exist, and that they have postions, the question is if Romney, and Bush if you like, are conservative.  They are not.  That they have some rather liberal positons on things that matter ought to be a clue to you, but I guess not.  They are conservative becasue the Globe says so, and you beleive everythign the Globe tells you.

    Romneycare is not and has not become conservative idea.  It is a liberal idea pushed by republicans, who were NOT conservatvie.  IT was an attempt to stop socialised medicine by delivbering half a loaf.  It failed.

    If abortion isn't a moral issue, then nothing is.  This is how far the left has sunk into depravity.  Do what feels good and call it a day.

    you have a very simplistic, and wrong, view of the world.

     
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    The question is not do conservatives exist, and that they have postions, the question is if Romney, and Bush if you like, are conservative.  They are not.  That they have some rather liberal positons on things that matter ought to be a clue to you, but I guess not.  They are conservative becasue the Globe says so, and you beleive everythign the Globe tells you.

    Romneycare is not and has not become conservative idea.  It is a liberal idea pushed by republicans, who were NOT conservatvie.  IT was an attempt to stop socialised medicine by delivbering half a loaf.  It failed.

    If abortion isn't a moral issue, then nothing is.  This is how far the left has sunk into depravity.  Do what feels good and call it a day.

    you have a very simplistic, and wrong, view of the world.

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    Look, I'm sorry that you can't see it.  I really am, because it would help you with your grief.

    I didn't say conservatives don't exist.  I said that what some on the right are pushing is NOT conservatism.  I don't know what it is, honestly, which might not matter, because a whole lot of Americans just said they don't want it.

    Look at Chris Christie.  He is not a liberal now simply because he teamed up with a Democratic President after a storm pounded the jersey shore.  He did what he had to do to help his state and his people, and who cares how it "looks" to the pundits.

    THAT's real Conservatism.  He didn't kvetch and moan about idelogical differences.  He swallowed his (considerable) pride and tried to get the job done.  What could be more conservative than that...?

    There you go again with "moral" issues that are largely not your concern.  Your fundamentalist psyche is not faith.  It's a rigid reaction to having your faith questioned - something that all true faithful have to learn to deal with.  It blinds you to the fact that a simple policy of widespread access to contraception is the single best way to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, and thus reduce the number of abortions.

    I hate to be the one to explain all this to you, but somebody has to, because your current stance is untenable.

     

     
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    Interesting back and forth between Matty and Skeets.  I am not sure there is any one definition that fits the conservative movement.  "Traditional values" are upheld, but they mean different things to different conservatives.  Libertarian conservatives are at odds with social conservatives and fiscal conservatives are sometimes at odds with both.  

    But it is amusing to see Skeets disown so many self described (and successful on some level) conservatives.  Not sure he would be happy unless everyone thought and acted just like him. 

     
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    Interesting back and forth between Matty and Skeets.  I am not sure there is any one definition that fits the conservative movement.  "Traditional values" are upheld, but they mean different things to different conservatives.  Libertarian conservatives are at odds with social conservatives and fiscal conservatives are sometimes at odds with both.  

    But it is amusing to see Skeets disown so many self described (and successful on some level) conservatives.  Not sure he would be happy unless everyone thought and acted just like him. 

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    See: Burke and Oakeshott, conservative thinkers.

     
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    The question is not do conservatives exist, and that they have postions, the question is if Romney, and Bush if you like, are conservative.  They are not.  That they have some rather liberal positons on things that matter ought to be a clue to you, but I guess not.  They are conservative becasue the Globe says so, and you beleive everythign the Globe tells you.

    Romneycare is not and has not become conservative idea.  It is a liberal idea pushed by republicans, who were NOT conservatvie.  IT was an attempt to stop socialised medicine by delivbering half a loaf.  It failed.

    If abortion isn't a moral issue, then nothing is.  This is how far the left has sunk into depravity.  Do what feels good and call it a day.

    you have a very simplistic, and wrong, view of the world.

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    Look, I'm sorry that you can't see it.  I really am, because it would help you with your grief.

    I didn't say conservatives don't exist.  I said that what some on the right are pushing is NOT conservatism.  I don't know what it is, honestly, which might not matter, because a whole lot of Americans just said they don't want it.

    Look at Chris Christie.  He is not a liberal now simply because he teamed up with a Democratic President after a storm pounded the jersey shore.  He did what he had to do to help his state and his people, and who cares how it "looks" to the pundits.

    THAT's real Conservatism.  He didn't kvetch and moan about idelogical differences.  He swallowed his (considerable) pride and tried to get the job done.  What could be more conservative than that...?

    There you go again with "moral" issues that are largely not your concern.  Your fundamentalist psyche is not faith.  It's a rigid reaction to having your faith questioned - something that all true faithful have to learn to deal with.  It blinds you to the fact that a simple policy of widespread access to contraception is the single best way to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, and thus reduce the number of abortions.

    I hate to be the one to explain all this to you, but somebody has to, because your current stance is untenable.

     

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    "I said that what some on the right are pushing is NOT conservatism. "

    My point precisely.  So, get the wax out of your ears.  I get it.  They push liberal ideas which make them....

    Come on.  fill in the blank.

     
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    Interesting back and forth between Matty and Skeets.  I am not sure there is any one definition that fits the conservative movement.  "Traditional values" are upheld, but they mean different things to different conservatives.  Libertarian conservatives are at odds with social conservatives and fiscal conservatives are sometimes at odds with both.  

    But it is amusing to see Skeets disown so many self described (and successful on some level) conservatives.  Not sure he would be happy unless everyone thought and acted just like him. 

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    See: Burke and Oakeshott, conservative thinkers.

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    I have always disowned these turncoats.  I have been harping about Bush being a liberal for years.  Not my fault you don't listen.

    Why is it funny that I disown conservative politicians that are in practice liberals?

    Funny how?  Funnylike a clown? Because, maybe I'm just a bit frigged up here, but I don't get it. Funny how? Do I amuse you? 

     
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     SEEMS THAT THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER DID A BETTER JOB TURNING OUT THE CRITICAL VOTE THAN THE CORPORATE WEASEL....GO FIGURE.....

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    Yeah but look at the sorry state of the 'community'.... unemployed, broke, no respect from allys, divided community...

     

    He left the Chicago ghettos about the same.... He IS consistent !!

    Maybe impeachment ...? Hmmmmmm

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    Kind of sour grapey; don't ya think? Especially when you repeatedly say Get A Clue, Ask Santa, or Don't let Facts Get In the Way.

     

    Here's one to add to your repertoire: Grow Up; Romney LOST because his message (or should I say the Republicans, including the stench from W, combined with the concentration of wealth trend and the underestimating of the populace intelligence) wasn't received well. Comments about rape (by others), commoners, FEMA, & the Auto industry didn't help. He needed to shoot for the center (where he belongs) after appeasing the crackpot fringes during the primaries; but felt the pressure not to do so, as reflected by his choice of running mate. This is not dissimilar to what happened to McCain, and they still don't get it. Conservatism is a good idea, but the abusive & hypocritical Republican interpretation of it these days ... has become a problem for them, and if they don't improvise their platform, they're not going to win any Presidential elections any time soon.

     
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     SEEMS THAT THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER DID A BETTER JOB TURNING OUT THE CRITICAL VOTE THAN THE CORPORATE WEASEL....GO FIGURE.....

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    Yeah but look at the sorry state of the 'community'.... unemployed, broke, no respect from allys, divided community...

     

    He left the Chicago ghettos about the same.... He IS consistent !!

    Maybe impeachment ...? Hmmmmmm

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    Kind of sour grapey; don't ya think? Especially when you repeatedly say Get A Clue, Ask Santa, or Don't let Facts Get In the Way.

     

    Here's one to add to your repertoire: Grow Up; Romney LOST because his message (or should I say the Republicans, including the stench from W, combined with the concentration of wealth trend and the underestimating of the populace intelligence) wasn't received well. Comments about rape (by others), commoners, FEMA, & the Auto industry didn't help. He needed to shoot for the center (where he belongs) after appeasing the crackpot fringes during the primaries; but felt the pressure not to do so, as reflected by his choice of running mate. This is not dissimilar to what happened to McCain, and they still don't get it. Conservatism is a good idea, but the abusive & hypocritical Republican interpretation of it these days ... has become a problem for them, and if they don't improvise their platform, they're not going to win any Presidential elections any time soon.

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    Actually, he overestimated the intelligence of the voter.  If the voters were actually able to comprehend his economic message, they would see that it was better than Obama's lack of vision.  But, it is too hard for liberals to actually think these things through.  Much easier to vote based on free contraception.  Talk about underestimating the intelligence of the average voter.

    Tyranny is where we inevitably end up once liberalism runs out of money.  

     
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    Romney lost because he ran against Santa Claus.

    Will be interesting in two years when things have gotten worst who he will blame, his predecessor for the last 4 years responsible for the mess. Look in the mirror.

    Wait until this spring when impeachment proceeding begin for Benghazi and all the lunatics here proclaim that he couldn't be removed in Nov. 2012 so they're trying to remove him now.

    He should have been fired for his first term, but the people have spoken.

     
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    Romney lost because he ran against Santa Claus.

    Will be interesting in two years when things have gotten worst who he will blame, his predecessor for the last 4 years responsible for the mess. Look in the mirror.

    Wait until this spring when impeachment proceeding begin for Benghazi and all the lunatics here proclaim that he couldn't be removed in Nov. 2012 so they're trying to remove him now.

    He should have been fired for his first term, but the people have spoken.

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    I agree he was running against Santa Claus, but that doesn't excuse his typical position on every issue:  The fetal position. 

    Romney failed because he was convinced all he needed to do was be in the race, and Obama would lose.  I said it at the beginning, and it came true:  you can't beat something with nothing.

    Matters not what his positions actually might have been.

     
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     SEEMS THAT THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER DID A BETTER JOB TURNING OUT THE CRITICAL VOTE THAN THE CORPORATE WEASEL....GO FIGURE.....

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    Yeah but look at the sorry state of the 'community'.... unemployed, broke, no respect from allys, divided community...

     

    He left the Chicago ghettos about the same.... He IS consistent !!

    Maybe impeachment ...? Hmmmmmm

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    Kind of sour grapey; don't ya think? Especially when you repeatedly say Get A Clue, Ask Santa, or Don't let Facts Get In the Way.

     

    Here's one to add to your repertoire: Grow Up; Romney LOST because his message (or should I say the Republicans, including the stench from W, combined with the concentration of wealth trend and the underestimating of the populace intelligence) wasn't received well. Comments about rape (by others), commoners, FEMA, & the Auto industry didn't help. He needed to shoot for the center (where he belongs) after appeasing the crackpot fringes during the primaries; but felt the pressure not to do so, as reflected by his choice of running mate. This is not dissimilar to what happened to McCain, and they still don't get it. Conservatism is a good idea, but the abusive & hypocritical Republican interpretation of it these days ... has become a problem for them, and if they don't improvise their platform, they're not going to win any Presidential elections any time soon.

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    Actually, he overestimated the intelligence of the voter.  If the voters were actually able to comprehend his economic message, they would see that it was better than Obama's lack of vision.  But, it is too hard for liberals to actually think these things through.  Much easier to vote based on free contraception.  Talk about underestimating the intelligence of the average voter.

    Tyranny is where we inevitably end up once liberalism runs out of money.  

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    HEY SPANKY! YOU GOT OUT DUELED BY THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER. FACE IT DEMS ARE MUCH SMARTER THAN YOU DOGWHISTLE IDIOTS!..... IF WE STOP UNJUSTIFIED WARS, INVEST IN US INFRASTRURE, THEN THE ECONOMY EXPANDS. IF WE RAISE TAXES ON THE ULTRA-WEALTHY ( MITT ROMNEY PAYING JUST 14% ON INCOME OF MORE THAN 250 MILL AND CORPORATIONS THAT ARE EXPLOITING THE TAX SYSTEM!!!  WE WILL START TO CURB THE DEFECIT,  CREATED BY REPUBLICAN BUSCH AND HIS
     HIS CRONIES!!

     
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    Romney lost because he ran against Santa Claus.

    Will be interesting in two years when things have gotten worst who he will blame, his predecessor for the last 4 years responsible for the mess. Look in the mirror.

    Wait until this spring when impeachment proceeding begin for Benghazi and all the lunatics here proclaim that he couldn't be removed in Nov. 2012 so they're trying to remove him now.

    He should have been fired for his first term, but the people have spoken.

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    Dream on.  You need these nightmare scenarios to keep you going.  When they don't happen will you look in the mirror?  I bet not.  You will move to another nightmare scenario, and another, and...

     
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    There's a lot of temptation on the right to blame Romney, but I think he had the best possible strategy.  But the GOP is in a tough position right now - the candidate has to win the primary, and has to win over moderates.  I think the real Romney is a moderate, but there's really no way to know - he took every position imaginable on every single issue.  

    But remember, the first debate was really Romney's pivot to the middle.  Many think he had a terrific debate performance, but if it had been a Gingrich, Santorum or Bachmann up there, you wouldn't have seen a change in the poll numbers, because they actually believed what they were saying in the primaries, and the contrast with Obama would have been alarming to independents.

    Ultimately, I think if there had been no Sandy, or if Obama was less competent and / or less likeable personally, this strategy might have worked for Romney.  Trying to turn independents and undecideds into tea-partiers would have failed miserably.

     
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    There's a lot of temptation on the right to blame Romney, but I think he had the best possible strategy.  But the GOP is in a tough position right now - the candidate has to win the primary, and has to win over moderates.  I think the real Romney is a moderate, but there's really no way to know - he took every position imaginable on every single issue.  

    But remember, the first debate was really Romney's pivot to the middle.  Many think he had a terrific debate performance, but if it had been a Gingrich, Santorum or Bachmann up there, you wouldn't have seen a change in the poll numbers, because they actually believed what they were saying in the primaries, and the contrast with Obama would have been alarming to independents.

    Ultimately, I think if there had been no Sandy, or if Obama was less competent and / or less likeable personally, this strategy might have worked for Romney.  Trying to turn independents and undecideds into tea-partiers would have failed miserably.

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    Good points......but, I think there`s alot of OVER-analysis on why Romney lost.  IMO it`s simple. Obama won the youth, minorities, and single women.  Added together, that`s a big block and it made the difference.

    The HALF of the country that lost and is angry today were voting based on 23 million out of work, $16 Trillion debt, $4.00 gas, unemploymen/underemployment at 15%, lies in Libya (enabled by the MSM), and 4 years of incompetence.  They (we) may have lost, but we (with exception of some crazy extremists) voted for competence and normalcy.  

     

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    Both sides voted for competency and normalcy.  They just have a different view of the facts to reach that same conclusion.

     
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    There's a lot of temptation on the right to blame Romney, but I think he had the best possible strategy.  But the GOP is in a tough position right now - the candidate has to win the primary, and has to win over moderates.  I think the real Romney is a moderate, but there's really no way to know - he took every position imaginable on every single issue.  

    But remember, the first debate was really Romney's pivot to the middle.  Many think he had a terrific debate performance, but if it had been a Gingrich, Santorum or Bachmann up there, you wouldn't have seen a change in the poll numbers, because they actually believed what they were saying in the primaries, and the contrast with Obama would have been alarming to independents.

    Ultimately, I think if there had been no Sandy, or if Obama was less competent and / or less likeable personally, this strategy might have worked for Romney.  Trying to turn independents and undecideds into tea-partiers would have failed miserably.

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    Good points......but, I think there`s alot of OVER-analysis on why Romney lost.  IMO it`s simple. Obama won the youth, minorities, and single women.  Added together, that`s a big block and it made the difference.

    The youth think he`s a cool-rock star.  The other 2 blocks want their free stuff to keep on coming.  The HALF of the country that lost and is angry today were voting based on 23 million out of work, $16 Trillion debt, $4.00 gas, unemploymen/underemployment at 15%, lies in Libya (enabled by the MSM), and 4 years of incompetence.  They (we) may have lost, but we (with exception of some crazy extremists) voted for competence and normalcy.  

     

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    Just consider that three days ago you were convinced of a land-slide victory for Romney.  I'm not asking you to abandon your ideology - just question the sources of some of this information.  

    Why do you say 23 million when the BLS says 12 million, and at what point did you start using the U-6 number instead of the U-3 number, and do you compare Obama's U-6 number to the U-3 numbers of other presidents, and is that fair?

    What was the real deficit when Obama took office ($1.2 trillion), and what does that project to in debt over four years with zero stimulus spending ($15.5 trillion)?

    How does the price of gas compare to September, 2008?  How does September, 2008 compare to September, 2004?  2000?

    Why has every news organization except Fox abandoned the Libya story, and why did Romney run away from it so quickly after the second debate?  

    I'm not trying to be a d1ck, or rub it in or anything - I'm just saying, these guys were either incredibly bad at their job, or they were flat out lying to you about the skewed polls, oversampling, and liberal bias.  Did you watch Fox news on election night?  Even after they called Ohio, Karl Rove was arguing with them that it wasn't over.  It's hard to argue these are the champions of competence and normalcy.

     

     
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     SEEMS THAT THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER DID A BETTER JOB TURNING OUT THE CRITICAL VOTE THAN THE CORPORATE WEASEL....GO FIGURE.....

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    Yeah but look at the sorry state of the 'community'.... unemployed, broke, no respect from allys, divided community...

     

    He left the Chicago ghettos about the same.... He IS consistent !!

    Maybe impeachment ...? Hmmmmmm

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    Kind of sour grapey; don't ya think? Especially when you repeatedly say Get A Clue, Ask Santa, or Don't let Facts Get In the Way.

     

    Here's one to add to your repertoire: Grow Up; Romney LOST because his message (or should I say the Republicans, including the stench from W, combined with the concentration of wealth trend and the underestimating of the populace intelligence) wasn't received well. Comments about rape (by others), commoners, FEMA, & the Auto industry didn't help. He needed to shoot for the center (where he belongs) after appeasing the crackpot fringes during the primaries; but felt the pressure not to do so, as reflected by his choice of running mate. This is not dissimilar to what happened to McCain, and they still don't get it. Conservatism is a good idea, but the abusive & hypocritical Republican interpretation of it these days ... has become a problem for them, and if they don't improvise their platform, they're not going to win any Presidential elections any time soon.

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    Actually, he overestimated the intelligence of the voter.  If the voters were actually able to comprehend his economic message, they would see that it was better than Obama's lack of vision.  But, it is too hard for liberals to actually think these things through.  Much easier to vote based on free contraception.  Talk about underestimating the intelligence of the average voter.

    Tyranny is where we inevitably end up once liberalism runs out of money.  

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    HEY SPANKY! YOU GOT OUT DUELED BY THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER. FACE IT DEMS ARE SMARTER THAN YOU DOG WHISTLE IDIOTS! IF THE ECONOMY EXPANDS AND RAISE TAXES ON THE ULTRA-WEALTHY WE WILL CURB THE DEFECIT. THE REPUBLICANS ARE THE OBSTRUCTIONISTS STANDING IN THE WAY!

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    If you beleive that, god help us all.  What you said doesn't even make sesne.  You really think we can balance this all out on the backs of the rich?  That's not mathmatically possible.

    And, I think my point is not that Obama didn't out play Romney, he did.  It is that the typical liberal is not smart enough to know the difference between the truth and a lie, economically speaking.  That has come true.

    You think the eoconomy will expand?  Well, that makes one.

     You think the republicans are standing in the way? standing in the way of what, more spending?

     
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    There's a lot of temptation on the right to blame Romney, but I think he had the best possible strategy.  But the GOP is in a tough position right now - the candidate has to win the primary, and has to win over moderates.  I think the real Romney is a moderate, but there's really no way to know - he took every position imaginable on every single issue.  

    But remember, the first debate was really Romney's pivot to the middle.  Many think he had a terrific debate performance, but if it had been a Gingrich, Santorum or Bachmann up there, you wouldn't have seen a change in the poll numbers, because they actually believed what they were saying in the primaries, and the contrast with Obama would have been alarming to independents.

    Ultimately, I think if there had been no Sandy, or if Obama was less competent and / or less likeable personally, this strategy might have worked for Romney.  Trying to turn independents and undecideds into tea-partiers would have failed miserably.

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    Good points......but, I think there`s alot of OVER-analysis on why Romney lost.  IMO it`s simple. Obama won the youth, minorities, and single women.  Added together, that`s a big block and it made the difference.

    The HALF of the country that lost and is angry today were voting based on 23 million out of work, $16 Trillion debt, $4.00 gas, unemploymen/underemployment at 15%, lies in Libya (enabled by the MSM), and 4 years of incompetence.  They (we) may have lost, but we (with exception of some crazy extremists) voted for competence and normalcy.  

     

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    That's the HOW, not  the WHY.  I guess I am hung up on the WHY.  The WHY, in my estimation is that, and I have said it before, Romney bet the farm on Obama failing wihtout having to do anything.  That WHY Obama won.  romney wasn't even there.

     

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