Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

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    Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/6/2010 10:57 AM EDT

    Based on the position the far left has taken, I was wondering if they would have been outraged after Kennedy established a blockade against Cuba during the missile crisis?

    It hurt Cuban citizens, however, it was an attempt to protect us.  Is there a difference? 
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/6/2010 12:27 PM EDT

    Again, not a left/right thing.
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/6/2010 2:34 PM EDT

    No doubt  it the Cuban missile crisis happened under Bush no doubt they would be hoping for it to fail.

    If it was to happen under Obama he would spend months trying to talk to the Russians all while watching the ship carrying weapons landed and off loading in Cuba.

    But lets face it for some strange reason (couldnt be anit-semite since the left hates only reps.) but for some strange reason the left in america likes watching the jews getting killed, and hates seeing the jews try to defend themselves.

    Oh well like a leading Leftist said (Helen Thomas) cant we just get the Jews back to Germany where they have been treated so well in history.
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/6/2010 2:43 PM EDT

    movingtarget -

    you keep saying it, but I disagree.

    The right traditionally has supported Israel.  The left has traditionally supported the palestinians. 

    Of course that is not found on either parties platform, however, this has held true for quite sometime. 
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/6/2010 2:50 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?:
    movingtarget - you keep saying it, but I disagree. The right traditionally has supported Israel.  The left has traditionally supported the palestinians.  Of course that is not found on either parties platform, however, this has held true for quite sometime. 
    Posted by whatnow3


    Best define your terms: who is on the "Left" and "Far Left"?  And keep Helen Thomas out of it: she is an old, old journalist who has never held or aspired to political office.
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/6/2010 3:26 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?:
    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal? : Best define your terms: who is on the "Left" and "Far Left"?  And keep Helen Thomas out of it: she is an old, old journalist who has never held or aspired to political office.
    Posted by Reubenhop


    Right plus Helen is a liberal so hating jews is fine if you are a liberal.

    Funny Rush has never run for anything and the left loves nothing more then to attack him and his dumba** rants.
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/6/2010 9:17 PM EDT

    Reply button doesn't work again.  Typical.

    I made the assumption that by left you meant democratic.  My bad.
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/7/2010 2:39 PM EDT

    You're comparing the Russian trying to install nukes in Cuban to humanitarian aid to Gaza.  That's a little over the top isn't it.  And if recall correctly, wasn't Kennedy a lib?

    Today's Liberals do oppose the embargo on Cuba.  Of course, the embargo allows many food items from the US to be exported to Cuba.  It's just people that can't visit Cuba or Cuba products that can't be imported to the US (such important items such as Cigars, sugar, rum).
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/7/2010 2:49 PM EDT

    The US government has been unwavering in its support of Isreal regardless of whether a Democrat is in office or Republican is in office.  So I guess for the puposes of this thread "support" needs to be defined.  Because if criticising Israel counts as "not supporting" Israel then that is just stupid. 
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/7/2010 2:56 PM EDT

    the blockade of cuba was after we already discovered nuclear missiles in cuba, compounded by the fact that fidel turned nationalized everything there(which really upset us because havana was Las vegas way before las vegas was vegas)

    the goal of the blockade was to establish communication with the ussr and go from there, which they did

    the goal of the israeli blockade to block everything and not have any dialogue whatsoever...and there is the difference...also their attacking of the vessel was an act of piracy irregardless of what the passengers on said vessel had in their  hands
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/7/2010 3:49 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?:
    the blockade of cuba was after we already discovered nuclear missiles in cuba, compounded by the fact that fidel turned nationalized everything there(which really upset us because havana was Las vegas way before las vegas was vegas) the goal of the blockade was to establish communication with the ussr and go from there,
     which they did the goal of the israeli blockade to block everything and not have any dialogue whatsoever...and there is the difference...also their attacking of the vessel was an act of piracy irregardless of what the passengers on said vessel had in their  hands (like pipes, wrenches and other weapons.)
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0

    Thanks Helen.
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/7/2010 4:02 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?:
    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal? : Thanks Helen.
    Posted by ItsATravesty

    so you mean to tell me that pipes and wrenches dont belong on a boat? and shouldnt be used to club off attackers who are repelling in?

    im guessing you would have been a loyalist in the American Revolution eh? freedom only belongs to those who already have it eh?
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/7/2010 8:45 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?:
    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal? : Right plus Helen is a liberal so hating jews is fine if you are a liberal. Funny Rush has never run for anything and the left loves nothing more then to attack him and his dumba** rants.
    Posted by shumirules


    Nonsense.  Never said any such thing.  Are you devoid of basic decency?  Or are you devoid of rational thought?  Jews are overwhelmingly liberal in their politics.  Therefore they must hate themselves...  Logic you don't got.
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/7/2010 8:55 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?:
    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal? : Right plus Helen is a liberal so hating jews is fine if you are a liberal. Funny Rush has never run for anything and the left loves nothing more then to attack him and his dumba** rants.
    Posted by shumirules

    Helen doesn't speak for the left. Rush is the leader of the right.

     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/8/2010 8:44 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?:
    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal? : A blockade is considered an act of war. At the time Kennedy ordered the blockade there was no state of war between the US and the Soviet Union. There is certainly a state of war between Israel and the Palestinian terrortory  or whatever they call it. You know and I know that the strategy behing the aid flotilla was to create an incident and damage Israel via the terrorist PR machine. It had nothing to do with getting aid to the Gazans. 10,000 tons of humanitarian aid go from Israel to Gaza every week. If the terrorists were really concerned about humanitarian aid then they could have sent it through the established channel to get it there. Also, if I am not mistaken, the terrorists have not allowed the ship to be inspected or whatever the next steps are to get the aid to the supposedly distressed Gazans who are at  death's door. And you can't tell me that the Gazans don't do whatever they can to smuggle weapons into their pathetic country and that Israel has no right to blockade them. Whatever they are trying to intercept is irrelevant since they are at war Israel has every right to blockade them. At the time and certainly by today's measure Kennedy was no liberal. He campaigned against Nixon saying they had let the Soviets get ahead of us with their nuclear weapons and missle programs. He cut taxes. He praised Sen. Joe McCarthy in some speech at Harvard (McCarthy was also godfather to Rober Kennedy's daughter Kathleen). And of course let's not forget the Bay of Pigs and who started the war in Vietnam.
    Posted by Newtster


    From wkipedia.....

    Kennedy called his domestic program the "New Frontier". It ambitiously promised federal funding for education, medical care for the elderly, economic aid to rural regions, and government intervention to halt the recession. Kennedy also promised an end to racial discrimination. In 1963, he proposed a tax reform which included income tax cuts, but this was not passed by Congress until 1964, after his death. Few of Kennedy's major programs passed Congress during his lifetime, although, under his successor Johnson, Congress did vote them through in 1964–65.


    Domestically, he sounds pretty liberal.  The level of a person being liberal or conservative has to be judged on his era.  Liberalism means change.  If the change advocated 50 years ago is main stream now, it just proves the liberalism was the correct course of action.

    Compared to the time, the founding fathers were extemely liberal.

    By the way, the justification for the blockade of Cuba during the missile crisis was the Monroe Doctrine.  And if the main objective of the flotilla of humanitarian aid was to cause an incident and damage Israel via the terrorist OR machine, then I think it succeeded.  It also led to Egypt removing the blockade - so overall, I would consider it a success.
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/8/2010 9:42 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?:
    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal? : A blockade is considered an act of war. At the time Kennedy ordered the blockade there was no state of war between the US and the Soviet Union. There is certainly a state of war between Israel and the Palestinian terrortory  or whatever they call it. You know and I know that the strategy behing the aid flotilla was to create an incident and damage Israel via the terrorist PR machine. It had nothing to do with getting aid to the Gazans. 10,000 tons of humanitarian aid go from Israel to Gaza every week. If the terrorists were really concerned about humanitarian aid then they could have sent it through the established channel to get it there. Also, if I am not mistaken, the terrorists have not allowed the ship to be inspected or whatever the next steps are to get the aid to the supposedly distressed Gazans who are at  death's door. And you can't tell me that the Gazans don't do whatever they can to smuggle weapons into their pathetic country and that Israel has no right to blockade them. Whatever they are trying to intercept is irrelevant since they are at war Israel has every right to blockade them. At the time and certainly by today's measure Kennedy was no liberal. He campaigned against Nixon saying they had let the Soviets get ahead of us with their nuclear weapons and missle programs. He cut taxes. He praised Sen. Joe McCarthy in some speech at Harvard (McCarthy was also godfather to Rober Kennedy's daughter Kathleen). And of course let's not forget the Bay of Pigs and who started the war in Vietnam.
    Posted by Newtster

    understanding history is not the same as repeating it

    A. we most certainly were at war with the Soviet Union...it was the cold war and while granted, there werent alot of shots fired in anger at each other...there was fighting and there were operations going on
    B. whether it was PR or not, Israel would have been smart to not attack the ship, you want to stop it? fire a shot over their bow and make the ship stop...the attack was over the top
    C. you refer to the Gazan's having a pathetic country...does that strike you as ironic? being that the gaza is neither a country, nor owned by the palestinians as we see new israeli settlements stretch further and further in every week
    D. kennedy was absolutely a liberal, you see...you think liberals dont care about defense, when truth is, we do...we just dont spend as wastefully on it as repubs do and then wrap it up in a bow and say "mission accomplished"
    E. the tax rate at that time was different and citizens paid in way more back then, his reduction in taxes paved the way for the rate that we currently see
    F. Mccarthy has nothing to do with this discussion in any way
    G. the CIA conned and strong armed Kennedy into the Bay of Pigs because the US, just lost its Las Vegas when Castro nationalized everything in cuba, including the casinos
    H. what Kennedy did, was to send officers and specialists in various fields to vietnam in order to get a handle on the situation there...there was a rampant fear of communism from all sides in the US and what kennedy started in vietnam was supposed to be nothing more than exploratory...and then november 1963 came along and changed everything
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/8/2010 9:59 AM EDT

    Jimmy - you need to get all the facts first.

    Your B is BS.  They did that.  They were also demanding they stop for a while prior to deciding to land on the ship.  They tried to conatct the ship via the radio and over loudspeakers. 

    Israel did everything they could to stop them without repelling onto the ship.

    But, as we now know, that ship was not going to stop because on board were a bunch of terrorist ready for a fight. 
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/8/2010 10:18 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?:
    Jimmy - you need to get all the facts first. Your B is BS.  They did that.  They were also demanding they stop for a while prior to deciding to land on the ship.  They tried to conatct the ship via the radio and over loudspeakers.  Israel did everything they could to stop them without repelling onto the ship. But, as we now know, that ship was not going to stop because on board were a bunch of terrorist ready for a fight. 
    Posted by whatnow3

    no, they attacked a ship in international waters, which is an act of piracy...that is what they did...

    if the ship was in what was regarded as israeli waters, then there wouldnt be an outcry...but it wasnt...its international law
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/8/2010 4:39 PM EDT

    Jimmy - blockades are not illegal.

    And they have been used by many countries to protect themselves. 

    Israel is at war with Gaza.  In order to protect themselves they have every right to do what they are doing.

    I also noticed you have yet to mention Egypt in all of this.  That speaks volumes. 
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/8/2010 4:54 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?:
    Jimmy - blockades are not illegal. And they have been used by many countries to protect themselves.  Israel is at war with Gaza.  In order to protect themselves they have every right to do what they are doing. I also noticed you have yet to mention Egypt in all of this.  That speaks volumes. 
    Posted by whatnow3

    blockades are absolutely illegal and an act of war

    israel has never declared war on the people who live in gaza, they just build their own settlements there or knock over any palestinian ones that were there...and if there is a palestinian inside? yeah no one cares about said person

    israel is protecting itself from palestine the way the USA has protected its citizens from drugs and terrorists...by declaring war on them...not finding a solution but by firing at the problem

    you know why i dont think egypt is relevant here? because they, like us were once a british colony...and we have always acted in the best nature of the Brits when we arent actually fighting them...and the brits back israel the way we do...therefore...we were all working in conjuction against the palestinians who fully deserve their own home...and if they have to fire another million rockets into israel to get them to stop building on their land, then i congratulate them in doing so and protecting their own right to live...something obviously you and israel believe they dont have
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/8/2010 5:56 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?:
    In Response to Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal? : no, they attacked a ship in international waters, which is an act of piracy...that is what they did... if the ship was in what was regarded as israeli waters, then there wouldnt be an outcry...but it wasnt...its international law
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0


    Man you literally don't have a single fact straight.
     

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    Re: Would the far left have claimed the Cuban missile crisis blockade was illegal?

    posted at 6/9/2010 8:27 AM EDT

    Jimmy42- you are young.  Eventually you will figure things out.

    I am going to move along.  There are far too many things to correct you on. 

    Try looking up some the crazy claims you make.

    I love the comment you made that "nobody is obligated to tell the truth in this country, while under oath".

    Your comments on Reagan are comical, considering you act as if you remember being around when he was in office.  You were 6 when he left office. 

    But, in two days you have made me laugh quite a bit, and at the same time, cringe in embarrassment.   

    That being said, look up the law of blockade (just google those words).  Blockades are legal you tool.  And, I guess when 7000 missiles are launched from Gaza into Israel (striking schools) that doesn't make for an act of war in your crazy world.

    Hamas and Israel are at war.  You know who else is at war, Hamas and Egypt.  But Egypt isn't a Jewish state so the far left doesn't complain about Egypt.

    Anyway, you really need to start looking up the bs you write, prior to posting because you have not a clue what you are talking about.