Yet another inconvienent truth: Antarctic ice

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    Yet another inconvienent truth: Antarctic ice

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681829/Global-warming-latest-Amount-Antarctic-sea-ice-hits-new-record-high.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681829/Global-warming-latest-Amount-Antarctic-sea-ice-hits-new-record-high.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681829/Global-warming-latest-Amount-Antarctic-sea-ice-hits-new-record-high.html


     


    Look, sooner or later, progressives need to admit to facts.

     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from StalkingButler. Show StalkingButler's posts

    Re: Yet another inconvienent truth: Antarctic ice

    Why? Why start now?

     

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    By the way, newly released data from the U.S. Government shows not static temperatures but actual cooling over the last decade.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2014/06/25/government-data-show-u-s-in-decade-long-cooling/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2014/06/25/government-data-show-u-s-in-decade-long-cooling/

    Which is what happens when you go out and get REAL temperature data instead of extrapolating.

     

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    It's the data bitches!

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    A peer reviewed paper based on faulty data is worthless. But you knew that.

     

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    Here's an idea, reach out to all the scientists who've had their papers rejected for peer review because they didn't conform to the "scientific consensus." Perhaps you'll find some science in there that actually reflects reality rather than a political ideal.

     

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    Re: Yet another inconvienent truth: Antarctic ice

    In response to WhatNowDoYouWant's comment:


    Let us know when you put your money where your mouth is and actually publish a peer reviewed article on your "findings."


     




    Facts need peer review?


    you are such a fact-denier.


    Ok. I'm gonna peer review this right now.


    Fact: the Antarctic ice cover is almost three feet thicker.


    Fact: the planet has actually been cooling during the past ten years.


    My peer review conclusion: yup.

     
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    In response to WhatNowDoYouWant's comment:
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    Amazingly, it's never on you to prove your own case.

     

     

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    Why? The facts make the case. No need to go further.

    it is to the point where claims to the contrary are like frivolous law suits.

     
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    Re: Yet another inconvienent truth: Antarctic ice

    Excellent ... the wingnuts found one place on earth that may have a temporay halt in the effects of GW and they consider that enough 'proof' to challenge the 98% of experts in the field and the evidence found in the other 90% of the planet.


    It's hilarious how the wingnuts cling to slivers of contradiction that the science produces from time-to-time while they close their eyes the the overwhelming majority of data and numbers those same scientists consistently publish.


    I thought scientists weren't believeable ... I guess they're only 'blieveable if they tell you something you want to hear ... freaking brlliant.

     
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    How can any thinking person take comfort in yet another weather anomaly?  Ice is expanding at one pole, and disappearing at the other.  Yay! We're saved!

    It's like arguing the drought is a good thing - how can we be experiencing climate change if half the country is experiencing no weather events at all!

    Stupid libs.

     

     
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    Wish it were incredible but it is sop for head in the sand libs

     

    the libs are the ones declaring that global warming or climate change is extreme, and they want the conservatives to come up with peer reviewed studies, when they themselves had none, the raw unmolested data disagrees with them,and their models do not forecast what Karp they are peddling.

    Their whole assine approach is to come up with climate change justice which means screw everyone but put money and power into their pockets.

     
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    The study ran from January 2005 to April 2014.  Anybody see the problem?  Kind of obvious.  Let me help - between January 2005 to April 2014, how many January's, February's, and Marches were there?  30.  During the same time period, how many June, July, and Augusts were there?  27.  

    Do you think including 10 winters and 9 summers could have had something to do with the alleged cooling? 

    You guys will believe anything a republican tells you.

     
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    It was NASA what said it DWL.

     

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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
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    The study ran from January 2005 to April 2014.  Anybody see the problem?  Kind of obvious.  Let me help - between January 2005 to April 2014, how many January's, February's, and Marches were there?  30.  During the same time period, how many June, July, and Augusts were there?  27.  

    Do you think including 10 winters and 9 summers could have had something to do with the alleged cooling? 

    You guys will believe anything a republican tells you.

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    Always the dirt bag aren't u

    you shouldn't be allowed to walk the streets alone, it's too dangerous for everyone

    you dont understand any facts of anything, you are trying to make a case by arguing how many months of this or that? Over what a nine yr period? When you don't even know how the raw data was mangled? And you are going to base your entire theory of 9 yrs since the end of the little ice age?

     

    take your krapola arguments and stuff them, 

    this country is spiraling down be coz of idiots like you

     

    See any foreign policy, see the border, see the puny worker participation rate which is even worse coz of part time workers

    but noooooo you still think you have answers, too bad none of them make sense

    u r the one who drinks the Ohole koolaid -looks like his yellow pea to me

    so go find a rock and slither under it

     
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    Re: Yet another inconvienent truth: Antarctic ice

    If you research this fact further, it is not proof that global warming is not happening. Global warming is a long term large scale observable trend. A bad winter or Antarctic ice does not disprove it. Science always looks at the big picture and adjusts and learns details over time. It doesn't overreact to anomalies. 

     
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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:
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    It was NASA what said it DWL.

     

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    I read the article and saw the data.  I did not read the original report by NASA.  The results presented in the article aren't valid.  Anyone can see that.  Furthermore, no stats about the equation were shown.  No F Stat, no RSquared stat.  Nothing showing the the equation is valid.  The data on the graph that was on a link in the article was very scattered.  If it was just a mean value, the standard deviation would be huge.  It's BS.

     
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    In response to jedwardnicky's comment:
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    In response to seawolfxs' comment:
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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
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    The study ran from January 2005 to April 2014.  Anybody see the problem?  Kind of obvious.  Let me help - between January 2005 to April 2014, how many January's, February's, and Marches were there?  30.  During the same time period, how many June, July, and Augusts were there?  27.  

    Do you think including 10 winters and 9 summers could have had something to do with the alleged cooling? 

    You guys will believe anything a republican tells you.

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    Always the dirt bag aren't u

    you shouldn't be allowed to walk the streets alone, it's too dangerous for everyone

    you dont understand any facts of anything, you are trying to make a case by arguing how many months of this or that? Over what a nine yr period? When you don't even know how the raw data was mangled? And you are going to base your entire theory of 9 yrs since the end of the little ice age?

     

    take your krapola arguments and stuff them, 

    this country is spiraling down be coz of idiots like you

     

    See any foreign policy, see the border, see the puny worker participation rate which is even worse coz of part time workers

    but noooooo you still think you have answers, too bad none of them make sense

    u r the one who drinks the Ohole koolaid -looks like his yellow pea to me

    so go find a rock and slither under it

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    You're always classy, aren't you?

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    I treat Jamal's posts the way they deserve to be treated - I ignore them.  He's a bully.  And the best way to deal with a bully on BDC is to ignore them. I'm sure he is bully on the street and I bet he bullies people in his personal life, or more likely yells are the TV,  His posts aren't thought provoking and are only intended to get a reaction.  He's worse than a troll.

     
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    Re: Yet another inconvienent truth: Antarctic ice

    As usual, the deniers glom onto one sliver from the entire report.

    While the globe last month endured its warmest April in 135 years of records (tied with 2010), Antarctic sea ice reached its largest April extent on record, according to a report released Tuesday by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

    The news comes after a report last week said the vast glaciers of western Antarctica are rapidly melting and losing ice to the sea and almost certainly have "passed the point of no return."

    Although they are related, there's a difference between Antarctica's sea ice (which freezes and melts with the seasons) and the Antarctic glacial ice that's melting because of climate change, according to scientist Ted Scambos of the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

    It's the steady melting of the glacial ice in Antarctica that's expected to contribute to global sea-level rise of four feet or more in coming centuries.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2014/05/20/april-climate-report-antarctica-ice/9339943/" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2014/05/20/april-climate-report-antarctica-ice/9339943/

    But I'm sure the standard head-up-their-wazoo response from the deniers is to only choose to believe what they want to hear ... even though the two reports are from the same source.

     

     
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    Re: Yet another inconvienent truth: Antarctic ice

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    It was NASA what said it DWL.


     


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    And the NOAA what said it in the Forbes piece that I linked to.


     


    First, global warming is not so dramatic and uniform as alarmists claim. For example, prominent alarmist James Hansen claimed in 2010, “Global warming on decadal time scales is continuing without letup … effectively illustrat[ing] the monotonic and substantial warming that is occurring on decadal time scales.” The word “monotonic” means, according to Merriam-Webster Online, “having the property either of never increasing or of never decreasing as the values of the independent variable or the subscripts of the terms increase.” Well, either temperatures are decreasing by 0.4 degrees Celsius every decade or they are not monotonic.


    Second, for those who may point out U.S. temperatures do not equate to global temperatures, the USCRN data are entirely consistent with – and indeed lend additional evidentiary support for – the global warming stagnation of the past 17-plus years. While objective temperature data show there has been no global warming since sometime last century, the USCRN data confirm this ongoing stagnation in the United States, also.


    Third, the USCRN data debunk claims that rising U.S. temperatures caused wildfires, droughts, or other extreme weather events during the past year. The objective data show droughts, wildfires, and other extreme weather events have become less frequent and severe in recent decades as our planet modestly warms. But even ignoring such objective data, it is difficult to claim global warming is causing recent U.S. droughts and wildfires when U.S. temperatures are a full 0.4 degrees Celsius colder than they were in 2005.



    Even more importantly than the facts above, the USCRN provides the promise of reliable nationwide temperature data for years to come. No longer will global warming alarmists be able to hide behind thinly veiled excuses to doctor the U.S. temperature record. Now, thanks to the USCRN, the data are what the data are.


     


    It's good to have data.


     

     
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    Re: Yet another inconvienent truth: Antarctic ice

    In response to devildavid's comment:
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    If you research this fact further, it is not proof that global warming is not happening. Global warming is a long term large scale observable trend. A bad winter or Antarctic ice does not disprove it. Science always looks at the big picture and adjusts and learns details over time. It doesn't overreact to anomalies. 

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    Except when it comes to global warming, which as we have been told countless times, is "settled science".

     
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    Science always looks at the big picture and adjusts and learns details over time

    Science is a process, one that requires an open mind and the willingness to change based on new data. Politics is declaring an issue "settled," moving to quash dissent, declaring people "deniers", advocating for the punishment on non-believers.

    It all reminds me of the book burning scene in the movie "the book thief." (A great movie FYI.) 

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    Re: Yet another inconvienent truth: Antarctic ice

    Why are wingnuts so scared of climate change?

     
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    In response to BilltheKat's comment:
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    Why are wingnuts so scared of climate change?

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    I think it has something to do with losing some imaginary freedoms. 

    Their aversion to fuel efficiency standards, new clean technologies, and preparing for extreme weather events is nothing short of irrational.  Its all socialism to them.

     

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