Yet another Obama record accomplishment: 48 million on food stamps

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    I see a lot of people asking if the lowly "working man" janitor is even worth a "living wage" (CLC says he isn't.)...

    ...but relatively few asking whether the CEO is worth their salary/benefits/golden parachutes.

     

    I would wager that the work put in by the janitor is much closer on average to their pay scale than that of the CEO.

    Either way, let the boards/shareholders pay the CEO what they want...as long as the peons get their workman's wages with reasonably affordable health insurance and two weeks' vacation.

     

     

     
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    Re: Yet another Obama record accomplishment: 48 million on food stamps

    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    Proof of Obamas goal of increasing dependency on Big Brother = Democratic voters.

     

    Maybe user99 want to splain it to us why more food stamps users if a GOOD thing....




    NO MO O's problem is not with the actual food stamps - he, like other republicans, just doesn't like the people who are on food stamps.  He blames them for our budget problems.

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    I see a lot of people asking if the lowly "working man" janitor is even worth a "living wage" (CLC says he isn't.)...

    ...but relatively few asking whether the CEO is worth their salary/benefits/golden parachutes.

     

    I would wager that the work put in by the janitor is much closer on average to their pay scale than that of the CEO.

    Either way, let the boards/shareholders pay the CEO what they want...as long as the peons get their workman's wages with reasonably affordable health insurance and two weeks' vacation.

     



    Let 's try it one more time, to see if it sinks into the liberal skull.
    CEOs in the private sector get fired if they are overpaid...their tenure is brief and based on results. End of story.

    CEOs are but a few...janitors, there are thousands of these positions. Imposing a "living wage" will result in fewer of these positions, no question.

    Liberals are typically  snotty and condescending toward a "janitor"."peon".....first of all, many who start in the cleaning profession just need a chance to show what they can do, and can rise in the ranks...or use the position as a stepping stone to another profession. Or a second job to help their family. These arent "janitors" , they are people who want  a chance to show what they can do...they dont need a condescending notion that they are failures and must be paid a "living wage" from liberals, for a lifetime position, without earning it.

    Liberals by imposing a so-called "living wage" limit the number of these positions ! Thereby limiting opportunities for those willing and able to be self reliant, and who want to earn their keep.

     

    Living wage for janitors will hurt janitors :  more part time positions, and more automation, which wil be more efficient than overpaying janitors.

     

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    I see a lot of people asking if the lowly "working man" janitor is even worth a "living wage" (CLC says he isn't.)...

    ...but relatively few asking whether the CEO is worth their salary/benefits/golden parachutes.

     

    I would wager that the work put in by the janitor is much closer on average to their pay scale than that of the CEO.

    Either way, let the boards/shareholders pay the CEO what they want...as long as the peons get their workman's wages with reasonably affordable health insurance and two weeks' vacation.

     

     



    Let 's try it one more time, to see if it sinks into the liberal skull.
    CEOs in the private sector get fired if they are overpaid...their tenure is brief and based on results. End of story.

     

    CEOs are but a few...janitors, there are thousands of these positions. Imposing a "living wage" will result in fewer of these positions, no question.

    Liberals are typically  snotty and condescending toward a "janitor"."peon".....first of all, many who start in the cleaning profession just need a chance to show what they can do, and can rise in the ranks...or use the position as a stepping stone to another profession. Or a second job to help their family. These arent "janitors" , they are people who want  a chance to show what they can do...they dont need a condescending notion that they are failures and must be paid a "living wage" from liberals, for a lifetime position, without earning it.

    Liberals by imposing a so-called "living wage" limit the number of these positions ! Thereby limiting opportunities for those willing and able to be self reliant, and who want to earn their keep.

     

    Living wage for janitors will hurt janitors :  more part time positions, and more automation, which wil be more efficient than overpaying janitors.

     



    That's funny (and hypocritical) coming from the guy who would firmly put the janitor in the "47%" and "taker" categories.

    Your ratio of a few CEOs to many janitors only points to the massive amounts of s**t those few executives produce that needs to be cleaned up.  Because, rest assured, if the CEO indeed "fails", many more lower-wage workers will also lose their jobs.

    The recession is hard proof of that.

    Way to pretend you care about the little guy though...someone may believe you, some day.

     

     

     
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    Re: Yet another Obama record accomplishment: 48 million on food stamps

    In response to Newtster's comment:

     

    There is a certain level within most public corporations where management serves to protect itself and their perks. I have family members in Human Resources. THey all serve to protect management and the company, not the employees.

     


    Sounds like govt has learned some of the same lessons...

    ...but in many cases, it's reversed to where people use their public service to gain lucrative private jobs at those cushy 'think tanks' and such.

    I can understand protecting the assets of the company, but that would seem to include the employees as well as the reputation.

    Alas, everyone is replaceable, and the days when we could work for the same company securely for 30-35 years are long gone.

     

     
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    CEOs are but a few...janitors, there are thousands of these positions. Imposing a "living wage" will result in fewer of these positions, no question.

    What are you thinking of when someone says "living wage"?

     

     

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    they dont need a condescending notion that they are failures and must be paid a "living wage" from liberals, for a lifetime position, without earning it.

     

    Oh, I see. What they clearly need is to be sneered at and publicly cursed for being consider "takers" despite holding a full time (often two, actually) job.

    The alternative to a reasonable minimum wage is to simply pay for the gap with your tax dollars.

     

     But of course, we know the solution you secretly favor: Do away with the safety net, and if magical thinking about nice charities doesn't do the trick, let 'em eat cake.

    Right?



    "The alternative to a reasonable minimum wage is to simply pay for the gap with your tax dollars"

    The so-called "Living Wage" results in fewer jobs...do you deny this?

    "But of course, we know the solution you secretly favor: Do away with the safety net, and if magical thinking about nice charities doesn't do the trick, let 'em eat cake."

    We know the solution you favor: government taking over the greedy private sector; after all, the Nanny State knows best.

     

     

     
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    In response to UserName99's comment:

    Just wondering when you'll be able to grasp the bigger picture here in terms of income inequality and job exporting in general, and the impact it has on our country?

     




    Right.  It needs to be fair.  Go to school, work seven days a week, advance, grow, blossom........and you have to give your hard-earned money to the layabouts because we need "income equality".

    We have to be fair. 

    Wake up to reality will ya?

     

     
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    Why is the right so bitter about 48 million Americans on food stamps ...... do you guys own stock in 9 Lives Cat Food or something ?

     
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    Why is the right so bitter about 48 million Americans on food stamps ...... do you guys own stock in 9 Lives Cat Food or something ?



    And never a peep about the billion dollar F-35's or aircraft carriers on order, but not needed.

     
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    Re: Yet another Obama record accomplishment: 48 million on food stamps

    President Obama argued in his State of the Union address that “no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty.” That is a noble goal, but it has little to do with the minimum wage rate.

    Only 2.9 percent of U.S. employees work for the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. Very few of those fit the stereotype the President painted. Less than a quarter of minimum wage workers live at or below the poverty line, while two-thirds come from families above 150 percent of the poverty line. In fact, the average family income of a minimum wage worker exceeds $53,000 a year.

    How do workers making $7.25 per hour live in families making over $50,000 a year? Because most of them are not the primary income earner in their families—many are students. Over half of minimum wage workers are under 25, and better than three-fifths of those report being enrolled in school. Two-thirds of minimum wage employees work part time.

     
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    Dr Thomas Sowell:

    “It would be comforting to believe that the government can simply decree higher pay for low-wage workers, without having to worry about unfortunate repercussions, but the preponderance of evidence indicates that labor is not exempt from the basic economic principle that artificially high prices cause surpluses. In the case of the surplus of human beings, that can be a special tragedy when they are already from low-income, unskilled or minority backgrounds and urgently need to get on the job ladder, if they are ever to move up the ladder by acquiring experience and skills.”

     
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    Moonbats always try to play this class war crap... but the truth is CEO is not overpaid

    The median expected salary for a typical Chief Executive Officer in the United States is $727,044. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies.

    http://www1.salary.com/Chief-Executive-Officer-Salary.html

    Of the roughly 30 million businesses in the United States, less than 6,000 are publicly traded on major stock exchanges. As anyone who gets their information from mainstream news and media outlets well knows, the spotlight and analysis for business (especially in regard to CEO compensation) are firmly focused on S&P 500 companies. That means that virtually 100 percent of media coverage of CEO compensation focuses on less than 8 percent of all public companies and less than .002 percent of all companies in the U.S.

    With this narrow and statistically insignificant scale in mind, how could the information disseminated about CEO compensation be meaningful? The plain truth is that it isn’t.

    The reality of CEO compensation is drastically different from the coverage given by major media outlets in articles like, “Typical CEO made $9.6 million last year, AP study finds” and the USA Today’s “CEO pay rises again in 2011, while workers struggle to find work,” as well as The New York Times’ “C.E.O. Pay is Rising, Despite the Din.” The Associated Press report’s assertion that the “typical CEO” had a $9.6 million annual pay package in 2011 and the media’s portrayal of that finding as part of a trend of increased CEO compensation could not be farther from the truth.

     

    In 2011, the median private company CEO in our survey earned a total compensation package of $362,900. That is just 3.8 percent of the number reported as “typical” in the Associated Press study. For private companies with at least $1 billion in revenue, the median CEO compensation package totaled just under $1.7 million, which is still less than 18 percent of the AP figure.

    http://chiefexecutive.net/how-much-does-the-average-ceo-really-earn

     
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    New Obama Treasury Secretary Jack Lew hid his money in the Caymen Islands...

     US businesses leaving the country, avoiding taxes? Ask Obama crony capitalists at GE and Google about that...along with Warren Buffet.

    Change the tax laws.

     

     

     
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    In response to ImYourDaddy's comment:

    Moonbats always try to play this class war crap... but the truth is CEO is not overpaid

    The median expected salary for a typical Chief Executive Officer in the United States is $727,044. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies.

    http://www1.salary.com/Chief-Executive-Officer-Salary.html

    Of the roughly 30 million businesses in the United States, less than 6,000 are publicly traded on major stock exchanges. As anyone who gets their information from mainstream news and media outlets well knows, the spotlight and analysis for business (especially in regard to CEO compensation) are firmly focused on S&P 500 companies. That means that virtually 100 percent of media coverage of CEO compensation focuses on less than 8 percent of all public companies and less than .002 percent of all companies in the U.S.

    With this narrow and statistically insignificant scale in mind, how could the information disseminated about CEO compensation be meaningful? The plain truth is that it isn’t.

    The reality of CEO compensation is drastically different from the coverage given by major media outlets in articles like, “Typical CEO made $9.6 million last year, AP study finds” and the USA Today’s “CEO pay rises again in 2011, while workers struggle to find work,” as well as The New York Times’ “C.E.O. Pay is Rising, Despite the Din.” The Associated Press report’s assertion that the “typical CEO” had a $9.6 million annual pay package in 2011 and the media’s portrayal of that finding as part of a trend of increased CEO compensation could not be farther from the truth.

     

    In 2011, the median private company CEO in our survey earned a total compensation package of $362,900. That is just 3.8 percent of the number reported as “typical” in the Associated Press study. For private companies with at least $1 billion in revenue, the median CEO compensation package totaled just under $1.7 million, which is still less than 18 percent of the AP figure.

    http://chiefexecutive.net/how-much-does-the-average-ceo-really-earn



    Of course, chiefexecutive.net wouldn't have any vested interest in skewing their own samples toward a favorable light, would they...??  heh.

    Salaries are one thing.  Total compensation is quite another.

    In any case, that's not what this is about.  This is about what we define as a "livable wage" and its attainability.  In light of that, the economic approaches are: a) raise the workers' wages, b) lower the standard of living, c) both, or d) neither and instead rely on the status quo.

    Quite clearly, that last option is the least popular among americans.

     
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