You know the GOP has gone completely wheels-off when Bob Dole (R-Bob Dole) says they should be "Closed for Repairs", and declares that Saint Reagan would have no place in today's Republican Party, and says it all on Fox News

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    Re: You know the GOP has gone completely wheels-off when Bob Dole (R-Bob Dole) says they should be

    http://news.yahoo.com/todays-radical-republicans-never-welcome-reagan-nixon-again-073622072.html

    "According to the New York Daily News, Dole, on Fox News, said Reagan couldn't have made it, but Nixon could not have made it, because he had ideas."

    Yes, ideas like wage and price controls. Thanks for your input Bob, that's really helpful.

     

     
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    Re: You know the GOP has gone completely wheels-off when Bob Dole (R-Bob Dole) says they should be

    Pointing out his warts "disparaging"?

    Pointing out his alleged liberalism is pointing out his "warts?"

     

     
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    Re: You know the GOP has gone completely wheels-off when Bob Dole (R-Bob Dole) says they should be

    Dole's correct as the same can be said about the Dems and JFK.

     

    If the GOP doesn't evolve it will die off with it's aging boomers.

     
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    Re: You know the GOP has gone completely wheels-off when Bob Dole (R-Bob Dole) says they should be

    It could be true of JFK but I don't know of any policies he initiated that would've been a deal breaker for the Dems today.

     

    He lowered taxes to stimulate the economy and was a strong cold warrior/anti-communist. Both these things would be deal-breakers for the ideological left.

     

     
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    It could be true of JFK but I don't know of any policies he initiated that would've been a deal breaker for the Dems today.

     

     

    He lowered taxes to stimulate the economy and was a strong cold warrior/anti-communist. Both these things would be deal-breakers for the ideological left.

     



    JFK was more like Lynch or Brown not Warren or Markey.

     
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    It could be true of JFK but I don't know of any policies he initiated that would've been a deal breaker for the Dems today.

     

     

    He lowered taxes to stimulate the economy and was a strong cold warrior/anti-communist. Both these things would be deal-breakers for the ideological left.

     

     

     

     




    That's quite the leap of logic.

     

    Everyone wants lower taxes but the Dems insist that the taxes be sufficient to fund gov't. Neo-cons insist on lowering taxes as a campaign slogan; "starve the beast". Two wildly different concepts. There's also the fact that with taxes at 90% vs the 30% of today there was a lot more room to lower the rates.

    Every president is anti-communist and JFK was a war hero before he was elected so that's just hyperbole on your part.

    Don't forget that JFK initiated policies that alienated southern conservative Dems and drove them to the neo-con party. His push on civil rights angered the southern Dixiecrats to the extent that they left the party and the neo-cons exploited that rift to recruit them into the Rep party.



    It is your post that requires the leap of logic.

    Reagan lowered taxes, things got better.

    He drove the menace of the USSR into the dustbin of history.

     

    Those are facts, not leaps of logic.

     
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    Don't forget that JFK initiated policies that alienated southern conservative Dems and drove them to the neo-con party. His push on civil rights angered the southern Dixiecrats to the extent that they left the party and the neo-cons exploited that rift to recruit them into the Rep party.

    Right. Except for the fact that many southern Democrats voted for Eisenhower and it was the Republicans in Congress that were the driving force behind civil rights legislation in the early 60's. In today's classroom you'd get an gold star for effort.

     

     
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    To say the neo-cons were the driving force for civil rights is a heck of a joke.

    I wouldn't say that, mostly because the term didn't exist at the time.


    neo: new

    con: conservative

    For the record, the term came into the popular venacular to describe former liberals who, after 9/11, became pro-interventionist (especially when it comes to the middle east.) It is also a sly way to say the JOOOOOS!!11!! for leftists that are inclined to hide their anti-Semitism. What this has to do Republicans of the late 50s and early 60s I don't know.

     

     
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    Re: You know the GOP has gone completely wheels-off when Bob Dole (R-Bob Dole) says they should be

    Good to know. Also from wikipedia:

     

    Neoconservatism is also described as a faction of American conservatism that includes opposition to political individualism,[4][5][6] is critical of the so-called welfare state as conceived by the New Left but supportive of the New Deal and moderate welfare statism,[7] offers lukewarm applause for free markets,[8] and advocates "assertive" promotion of democracy and American national interest in international affairs including by military means.[9][10] However, their concept of "national interest" conflicts with the traditional American understanding of national interest and is better described as national self-sacrifice for the purpose of achieving a kind of moral "greatness."

     

     

     
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    Good to know. Also from wikipedia:

     

    Neoconservatism is also described as a faction of American conservatism that includes opposition to political individualism,[4][5][6] is critical of the so-called welfare state as conceived by the New Left but supportive of the New Deal and moderate welfare statism,[7] offers lukewarm applause for free markets,[8] and advocates "assertive" promotion of democracy and American national interest in international affairs including by military means.[9][10] However, their concept of "national interest" conflicts with the traditional American understanding of national interest and is better described as national self-sacrifice for the purpose of achieving a kind of moral "greatness."

     

     



    When I look at that definition, I don't think that applies to most of the conservatives posting here.

     
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    Good to know. Also from wikipedia:

     

    Neoconservatism is also described as a faction of American conservatism that includes opposition to political individualism,[4][5][6] is critical of the so-called welfare state as conceived by the New Left but supportive of the New Deal and moderate welfare statism,[7] offers lukewarm applause for free markets,[8] and advocates "assertive" promotion of democracy and American national interest in international affairs including by military means.[9][10] However, their concept of "national interest" conflicts with the traditional American understanding of national interest and is better described as national self-sacrifice for the purpose of achieving a kind of moral "greatness."

     

     When I look at that definition, I don't think that applies to most of the conservatives posting here.

     




    As Stalking Butler said, the term "neo-con" was applied to former Democrats mostly, and almost always referred to foreign policy hawkish Democrats turned Republican. It has fallen out of usage.

    "Neo-con" isn't so bad, better than "wacko wingnut" that Concerned Citizen was so fond of using ...under a former name.

     
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    Good to know. Also from wikipedia:

     

    Neoconservatism is also described as a faction of American conservatism that includes opposition to political individualism,[4][5][6] is critical of the so-called welfare state as conceived by the New Left but supportive of the New Deal and moderate welfare statism,[7] offers lukewarm applause for free markets,[8] and advocates "assertive" promotion of democracy and American national interest in international affairs including by military means.[9][10] However, their concept of "national interest" conflicts with the traditional American understanding of national interest and is better described as national self-sacrifice for the purpose of achieving a kind of moral "greatness."

     

     When I look at that definition, I don't think that applies to most of the conservatives posting here.

     

     




     

    As Stalking Butler said, the term "neo-con" was applied to former Democrats mostly, and almost always referred to foreign policy hawkish Democrats turned Republican. It has fallen out of usage.

    "Neo-con" isn't so bad, better than "wacko wingnut" that Concerned Citizen was so fond of using ...under a former name.



    I'm a bit more focused on the lukewarm to free markets mention.  The moderate republicans, Dole, Bush, etc. all fall for the state control of the economy proposals of the left.  Controlling the economy with state driven mandates is the tool the left is using to drive us back into serfdom.  

     
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    Re: You know the GOP has gone completely wheels-off when Bob Dole (R-Bob Dole) says they should be

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    One more reason that St Ronnie doesn't measure up to the fantasies of the neo-cons.

    Don't like Obama? Blame St Ronnie!

     

    GOP Rep: Reagan Helped Make Obama President

     

     

    Rep. Steve King (R-IA) said Thursday that President Barack Obama's ascent to the White House can be attributed to former President Ronald Reagan. 

    Asserting that the 1986 amnesty bill helped create a generation of Democratic voters, the tea party congressman said that the GOP patriarch helped make Obama president. For this reason, King argued that Republicans who "believe that they can reverse the trend of the Hispanic vote" must also concede that "Ronald Reagan’s signature on the ’86 amnesty act brought about Barack Obama’s election."

    “It’s clear to anybody that can do any kind of statistical analysis that Barack Obama wouldn’t be president of the United States without Ronald Reagan’s 1986 amnesty act,” King said during a speech on the House floor.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gop-rep-reagan-helped-make-obama-president-video



    I blame McKinley he pushed for and succeeded in having Hawaii annexed by the US in 1898, if Hawaii wasn't a territory it wouldn't have become a State in 1959.  Then we wouldn't have to debate the authenticity of someone's birth certificate.

     
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