Zimmerman about to go on trial. Things look a little diffeent now.

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    Zimmerman about to go on trial. Things look a little diffeent now.

    This past Thursday, George Zimmerman's attorneys released new evidence relevant to the upcoming trial of their client on a second-degree murder charge for the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

    The Martin family attorneys say the evidence is irrelevant. They are wrong. It is damning. The text messages and photos from Martin's cell phone tell a story wildly at odds with the one the State of Florida and the media have been peddling for more than a year, but one altogether truer and sadder.

    In the way of recap, in February 2012, Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain in Sanford, Florida, shot and killed the seventeen-year-old Martin.

    Taking their cue from the Martin family's attorneys, Reuters ran the first national article on the shooting ten days after it happened. Zimmerman was a "loose cannon." He profiled Martin, stalked him, and shot him, disregarding police instructions. Martin, by contrast, was a "good kid." He had hoped to be a pilot. He was simply bringing the soon-to-be iconic iced tea and Skittles home to his "little brother."

    This story was pure fable from the beginning, and the attorneys knew it. Even before going public, they moved to seal Martin's school records, and with good reason. Consider this exchange between Martin and a female friend on November 21, three months before his death. After he told her he was "tired and sore" from a fight, she asked him why he fought. "Bae" is shorthand for "babe."

    MARTIN: Cause man dat nigga snitched on me

    FRIEND: Bae y you always fightinqq man, you got suspended?

    MARTIN: Naw we thumped afta skool in a duckd off spot

    FRIEND: Ohh, Well Damee

    MARTIN: I lost da 1st round :( but won da 2nd nd 3rd . . . .

    FRIEND: Ohhh So It Wass 3 Rounds? Damn well at least yu wonn lol but yuu needa stop fighting bae Forreal

    MARTIN: Nay im not done with fool..... he gone hav 2 see me again

    FRIEND: Nooo... Stop, yuu waint gonn bee satisified till yuh suspended again, huh?

    MARTIN: Naw but he aint breed nuff 4 me, only his nose

    As his social media accounts show, Martin was a student of mixed martial arts. The fight followed the MMA format. A day later, he would tell a friend that his opponent "got mo hits cause in da 1st round he had me on da ground nd I couldn't do ntn." As his girlfriend complained, Martin was "always" fighting. He was also something of a sadist. His opponent, after all, did not bleed enough. Why might this be relevant?

    Witness #6, the best of the eyewitnesses to the shooting, told the Sanford PD that a there was a "black man in a black hoodie on top of either a white guy ... or an Hispanic guy in a red sweater on the ground yelling out help," and that black man on top was "throwing down blows on the guy MMA [mixed martial arts] style."

    Martin was not the innocent little boy that the media relentlessly and corruptly portrayed him to be. At the time of his death, he was five feet, eleven inches and weighed 158 pounds. To put this in perspective, legendary boxer Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns was six feet, one inch and 145 pounds when he first won the world welterweight title as a twenty-one-year-old.

    Before leaving for Orlando on February 21, 2012, Martin had already missed 53 days of school that year and been suspended three times, most recently for possessing drug paraphernalia, the time before that for getting caught with women's jewelry and a burglary tool. Why might this be relevant?

    When George Zimmerman first spotted Martin near the shortcut into a community plagued by burglaries and home invasions, he told the dispatcher, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something." Zimmerman might have been right on both counts.

    Had the school district police not been ordered to suppress crime statistics, especially for black males, Martin would likely have been arrested at least twice, and that might have snapped his parents out of their fog. Instead, as the new evidence reveals, he was allowed to live out his increasingly angry, aberrant life as though he were merely a bit mischievous.

    On November 22, the day after the MMA-style fight, Martin told a friend that his mother "just kicked me out" and that he had to move in with his father. When the friend asked why, Martin answered, "Da police caught me outta skool."

    "U a hoodlum," said the friend. "Naw," said Martin. "I'm a gangsta." Incredibly, his death would transform this wannabe gangster into a saintly little boy, or, in the words of Florida State Attorney Angela Corey, a "precious victim."

    On December 21, 2011, Martin told a friend, "dam I just got in trouble 4 sum sh** I aint even do." His mother, Sybrina Fulton, was dismayed. "Pack up your clothes now," she texted him. "I love u but I think u being w/ ur Dad is best."

    Martin lived with his mother only intermittently and spent even less time with his father, who was then living with a sister in the Miami area.

    On December 22, Martin confided to a girlfriend, "I got in trouble." She asked, "What did you do now." As was typical, Martin took no responsibility. "I aint do ntn . . . . call me." The friend had other priorities: "I'm about to get my nails done so you gotta wait a few."

    On the day before Christmas, Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, texted him: "I'm concerned about u but I'm praying for u and I want U to pray for yourself EVERYDAY, ok." She was texting the son she used to know. The Trayvon who was about to turn seventeen, she knew next to nothing about.

    On January 6, 2012, Martin got into trouble at school again. When asked why, he told a friend, "Caus I was watcn a fight nd a teacher say I hit em." Said the friend, "Idk how u be getting in trouble an sh**." By this time, Martin's mother had thrown him out of the house for "fightn," and he had moved in with his aunt and uncle.

    The multiple texts about "weed" and the photos of marijuana plants confirmed his interests in drugs -- a friend called him "weedhead" -- but the new photos pointed to an even more dangerous new hobby -- namely, guns. Indeed, one of the photos of Martin's showed a hand, likely Martin's own, on a pistol.

    On February 21, 2012, Martin took the bus for Orlando to stay with his father's girlfriend, Brandy Green. He was free to travel because his school had suspended him for marijuana. The bust did little to sober him up. "I hid m weed," he confided to a female friend, afraid that they might have searched him on the bus. He texted later that day, "I got weed nd I get money Friday."

    The saddest messages among these texts come from the parents who indulged him. They had all but lost control of their son but chose not to see how far out of control he had spun. Like so many divorced parents, they were torn between punishing him and appeasing him.

    The father, Tracy Martin, texted his son during this trip to Orlando. "Show much respect to [Green] and adjust to my Lady & [her son]. Show them you a good kid and you want positive things aroud you." His mother texted him as well: "R u comfortable on the bus?? Go to sleep n u will be there soon."

    In between these texts, Martin was negotiating to buy a handgun with a friend. "U wanna share a .380?" he asked. Guns excited him. "U got heat??" he enthused earlier upon learning that a friend had access to a gun.

    Upon leaving Miami, Martin seemed to be growing angrier. On February 21, he texted a girlfriend who was pouting about another girl, presumably in Sanford. Wrote Martin, "f*** u cuz I neva text ha 2 day I made dat sh** up so u leav me df alone bout it."

    Two days later on February 23, a friend tried to warn Martin off some behavior that troubled even the friend. "I ain't ya parent," he texted him, "but gsh** thro it away." Martin was not in the mood to be lectured to. "Y u gotta knock my hustle??" he shot back.

    On February 26, bored and likely high, Martin was in no mood to be challenged by some small "white" guy who was trying to maintain a visual on him until the police arrived.

    "As I headed back to my vehicle the suspect emerged from the darkness and said, 'You got a problem?'" Zimmerman would tell the Sanford PD. When Zimmerman answered, "No," Martin said, "You do now." As it turned out, both of them had a problem. Martin's proved fatal.

    Martin's parents failed him. The school system failed him. The sad vestiges of the civil rights movement betrayed him, and the media betrayed America. This all comes at a cost, and the piper has yet to be paid.


    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/new_evidence_shows_trayvons_life_unraveling.html#ixzz2UcSOaIPH
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    Re: Zimmerman about to go on trial. Things look a little diffeent now.

    And yet Trayvon Martin is still dead.

     

    If only he had been armed (sez the NRA)....

     

     

     

     
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    There is two sides to every story ..... let the facts come out and let justice prevail . 

     
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    And yet Trayvon Martin is still dead.

     

    If only he had been armed (sez the NRA)....

     




    If only he had been in school and not kicked out and on the streets angry, abusive to authority, fighting and using.

    The point of the post is that the media portrayed him as an innocent child that was just a victim of racial profiling.

     
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    In response to Sistersledge's comment:

    There is two sides to every story ..... let the facts come out and let justice prevail . 




    I agree

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    And yet Trayvon Martin is still dead.

     

    If only he had been armed (sez the NRA)....

     




    If only he had been in school and not kicked out and on the streets angry, abusive to authority, fighting and using.

     

    The point of the post is that the media portrayed him as an innocent child that was just a victim of racial profiling.



    None of which is good enough reason to be shot dead on said streets, but we knew that already.

    Your whole OP is gilding the lily, so quit the charade....

     

     
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    A perfect example of why bad character evidence is strictly controlled in trials: oh look, we dug something up that makes the guy look bad. Well, bad people do bad things, so he probably did this bad thing.



    If, it's relevent it should be admitted. IMO violence, drug use, martial arts training, and exhibits of aggressive behavior towards authority are very relevent in this case.

     
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    Zimmerman should sue NBC for the hatchet job they did editing the 911 call, making him look racist.

     
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    "A perfect example of why bad character evidence is strictly controlled in trials: oh look, we dug something up that makes the guy look bad. Well, bad people do bad things, so he probably did this bad thing."

     

    And yet it still doesn't stop lawyers from bringing up bad character evidence. 

     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    But most of the stuff in the article is the sort of thing that don't because jurors might reason like you: He sounds scuzzy, so, he probably did this.

    Convictions are to be based on fact, not vague probabilistic reasoning based on character.




    I do not know if, he is guilty or not and will let the court decide.

    The article is not about condemning him as stated and as much as you try to make like I am attacking him based on "sounds scuzzy" so "he probably did this" is just your intolerance for pointing out quite simply that evidence shows he may not have been the innocent child who was just walking to the store to get skittles when he was attacked because of his race or racial profiling and murdered!

    Many like you swallowed the media account and jumped on the hang zimmerman bandwagon immediately.

     

     
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    If someone approached me and asked what I was doing in an area, I would probably respond with something between "may I see your badge, officer" or "why?" or "and who the f__k are you?"




    Which is fine as long as you don't hold him on the ground and beat him mixed martial arts style.

     

    Witness #6, the best of the eyewitnesses to the shooting, told the Sanford PD that a there was a "black man in a black hoodie on top of either a white guy ... or an Hispanic guy in a red sweater on the ground yelling out help," and that black man on top was "throwing down blows on the guy MMA [mixed martial arts] style."

     
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    The image of someone lying on the ground being beaten is sympathetic, but one would want to know precisely why they ended up on the ground and how hard he was being beaten.

    Does a couple punches to the nose justify shooting someone dead?




    How hard he was being beaten?

    Couple punches to the nose?

    WOW no bias there lol

    The guy ended up with a broken nose and a laceration on the back of head from being hit off the ground.

    I can see how they may make a strong argument for "feared for his life"

     
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    Back at you, Mr. Bipartisan. Seems you've already acquitted him.

    No, I just like due process and I appreciate the positive effect community security patrols have had in tough neighborhoods as well as upper class "targeted" neighborhoods.

    I will presume he is innocent until he is proven guilty.

    Are you under the impression that this event was never "framed" by most in the media (internet, tv and radio) to cast zimmerman as the villian from the beginning ?

     
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    The image of someone lying on the ground being beaten is sympathetic, but one would want to know precisely why they ended up on the ground and how hard he was being beaten.

    Does a couple punches to the nose justify shooting someone dead?

     




    How hard he was being beaten?

     

    Couple punches to the nose?

    WOW no bias there lol

    The guy ended up with a broken nose and a laceration on the back of head from being hit off the ground.

    I can see how they may make a strong argument for "feared for his life"




    Zimmerman had a gun.  Isn't that pretty much the end of the "feared for his life" argument.  It's OK to shoot somebody who comes at you with a gun, but not break his nose?

    I think you're probably right in the sense that this was not as racially motivated as the press led us to believe from day one.  But it's pretty clear that Zimmerman made a very, very bad mistake that resulted in the death of a 17-year-old kid.  You're not going to find many people willing to sentence a 17-year-old to death for bad grammar and a love of guns, weed & fighting.

     

     
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    During a pre-trial hearing Tuesday afternoon, a Florida judge ruled that George Zimmerman’s defense team cannot use the late Trayvon Martin’s alleged prior marijuana use, school suspension, past fighting, personal text messages or pictures during its opening statement in next month’s high-profile second-degree murder trial.

    In turn, the prosecution successfully argued that Martin and Zimmerman had no prior knowledge of one another, and thus the 17-year-old victim’s past activities have no relevance to how the accused acted on the night of Martin’s death.


     Key words being "opening statement" lmao!

     
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    On Tuesday, Assistant State Attorney Richard Mantei argued that the jury should hear prior phone calls from Zimmerman to demonstrate a pattern of “growing frustration,” according to local reports. Zimmerman’s attorney argued that this was actually a character argument, not an evidentiary one. The judge has yet to give judgment on that issue.

    Meanwhile, defense attorney Mark O’Mara cross-examined Wendy Dorival, who served as volunteer program coordinator for the Sanford Police Department. Dorival stated that neighborhood watch volunteers were not supposed to follow suspects, but added that she thought Zimmerman was a professional person, and had tried to recruit him to a citizens patrol program. She said that it was suspicious that a person – Trayvon Martin – was walking in the rain between houses without a particular purpose.

    According to another witness, a 911 operator, it is not within the purview of 911 operators to give orders to callers.

     

     
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    Walking in the rain isn't suspicious, it happens to people all the time who get caught outside with no umbrella.  And how does one judge "particular purpose"?  If someone is walking obviously their purpose is to get to some unknown destination. 

    And as was pointed out above, Zimmerman did not know Trayvon and had no reason to suspect he was up to no good (facts have determined he was simply walking home), Zimmerman engaged Trayvon after being advised not too, and as a result one of them ended up dead.  Zimmerman was from the recording of his call to 911 already of the mindset that something was off, and the only evidence he had to go was a kid in a hooded sweatshirt, was walking down the street.  If Zimmerman had left him alone, even if he watched him from a distance, none of this would be necessary and no one would be dead. 

     
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    Walking in the rain isn't suspicious, it happens to people all the time who get caught outside with no umbrella.  And how does one judge "particular purpose"?  If someone is walking obviously their purpose is to get to some unknown destination. 

    And as was pointed out above, Zimmerman did not know Trayvon and had no reason to suspect he was up to no good (facts have determined he was simply walking home), Zimmerman engaged Trayvon after being advised not too, and as a result one of them ended up dead.  Zimmerman was from the recording of his call to 911 already of the mindset that something was off, and the only evidence he had to go was a kid in a hooded sweatshirt, was walking down the street.  If Zimmerman had left him alone, even if he watched him from a distance, none of this would be necessary and no one would be dead. 

     



    "In the rain between houses".

     

    Assume all you said is true; 9-11 operators are not empowered to give orders to voluntary security personnel it says and if, and lets say Zimmerman made a bad decision to ask Trayvon what he was doing. does it justify Treyvon attacking him and did Zimmerman have a right to defend himself?

     

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