US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens

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    US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens

    Are you ready for another pointless war? Israel is and her friends in the USA are ready willing and able to send other people's children to die.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/world/middleeast/united-states-war-game-sees-dire-results-of-an-israeli-attack-on-iran.html?_r=2&hp

    ....the strike would lead to a wider regional war, which could draw in the United States and leave hundreds of Americans dead, according to American officials....

    ...it may be impossible to preclude American involvement in any escalating confrontation with Iran, the officials said.

    The results of the war game were particularly troubling to Gen. James N. Mattis, who commands all American forces in the Middle East..

    ..In the end, the war game reinforced to military officials the unpredictable and uncontrollable nature of a strike by Israel...


    Are you ready for this sacrifice which will also be accompanied by the destruction of the economy and rising gas prices?




     
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    In Response to US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens:
    Are you ready for another pointless war? Israel is and her friends in the USA are ready willing and able to send other people's children to die. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/world/middleeast/united-states-war-game-sees-dire-results-of-an-israeli-attack-on-iran.html?_r=2&hp ....the strike would lead to a wider regional war, which could draw in the United States and leave hundreds of Americans dead , according to American officials.... ...it may be impossible to preclude American involvement in any escalating confrontation with Iran, the officials said. The results of the war game were particularly troubling to Gen. James N. Mattis, who commands all American forces in the Middle East.. ..In the end, the war game reinforced to military officials the unpredictable and uncontrollable nature of a strike by Israel ... Are you ready for this sacrifice which will also be accompanied by the destruction of the economy and rising gas prices?
    Posted by real-democrat


    When credible threats are made, and you don't eliminate them, you invite a response that drives that number from 200 to 2,000.
     
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    Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens

    One always has to wonder about the mental state of posters who SHOUT their comments.
     
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    One always has to wonder about the mental state of posters whose responses say nothing about the subject.

     
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    Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens

    "When credible threats are made, and you don't eliminate them, you invite a response that drives that number from 200 to 2,000."

    So you are willing to sacrifice 200 Americans at least for "a credible threat" based on the credibility of the same people who lied us into war with the less well armed Iraq?

    Iran is no threat to the USA now or ever. And we should not risk our lives or economy to appease the Israel Firsters.

    As George Washington said in his farewell..

    "So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists...

    ....it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country..."


     
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    "The two-week war game, called Internal Look, played out a narrative in which the United States found it was pulled into the conflict after Iranian missiles struck a Navy warship in the Persian Gulf, killing about 200 Americans, according to officials with knowledge of the exercise."

    So your taking a simulated game that plays out that a U.S ship is struck by missles from Iran and is not able to defend itself and are taking it as fact, very typical of the left.

    "Are you ready for this sacrifice which will also be accompanied by the destruction of the economy and rising gas prices?"

    Last time I looked the current administration has been doing this for the last 3 years, they have increased our national debt in 3 years to levels more than any other President in history and the gas prices are still rising and will be $4.00 per gallon within weeks.... this comes from the lack of fiscal responsibility and a solid energy policy..... although I do hear that at some point Obama may actually submit a budget as mandated but will not hold my breath waiting....
     
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    Salty,

    I agree that we should not have been in Afghanistan at all, and we should have left Iraq sooner as not wasting the lives lost and trillions spent would have helped the economy.

    And yes when the military estimates that at least 200 would be killed in a conflict with a nation whose military is far more capable than that faced in Iraq where 5000+ died I take it seriously. I hardly count the concerns of US generals in the Mideast as "very typical of the left", but then again I am not a Neocon. Maybe "Cakewalk Ken" Adelman is the sort of expert you count on.

    I don't suppose that Bushes decision to go to war and not only not pay for it, but cut taxes as well might have something to do with the deficit.

    BTW, since you responded to a question in your post but did not provide a direct answer I can only assume you would answer "yes" to sending Americans to die for Israel. Which would make you one of the "ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country" George Washington warned us about.



     
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    In Response to Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens:
    "When credible threats are made, and you don't eliminate them, you invite a response that drives that number from 200 to 2,000." So you are willing to sacrifice 200 Americans at least for "a credible threat" based on the credibility of the same people who lied us into war with the less well armed Iraq? Iran is no threat to the USA now or ever. And we should not risk our lives or economy to appease the Israel Firsters. As George Washington said in his farewell.. "So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists... ....it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country..."
    Posted by real-democrat


    your logic is backwards.  I was indicating if you don't deal with the threat to the 200, that threat grows.  Is that really that hard to understand?
     
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    One always has to wonder about the mental state of posters whose responses say nothing about the subject.
    Posted by real-democrat



    One does wonder about about the mental state of posters.
     
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    I don't suppose that Bushes decision to go to war

    One might also wonder about the mental state of shrubbery.

     
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    Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens

    In Response to Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens:
    In Response to Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens : your logic is backwards.  I was indicating if you don't deal with the threat to the 200, that threat grows.  Is that really that hard to understand?
    Posted by skeeter20


    Your logic is based on the premise that Iran is a threat to the USA which it is not. The people who assert that it is and admonish us to go to war are the very same people whose lies led us into Iraq.

    Iran is not interested in national suicide, but they do understand that nuclear armed states are less likely targets. Why wouldn't they avail themselves of such protection? Secretive deveolpment of nuclear weapons was fine for Israel after all.

     
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    In Response to Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens:
    "When credible threats are made, and you don't eliminate them, you invite a response that drives that number from 200 to 2,000." So you are willing to sacrifice 200 Americans at least for "a credible threat" based on the credibility of the same people who lied us into war with the less well armed Iraq? Iran is no threat to the USA now or ever. And we should not risk our lives or economy to appease the Israel Firsters. As George Washington said in his farewell.. "So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists... ....it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country..."
    Posted by real-democrat

    I agree! Just because they tried to kill a diplomat in our Capital and have Hezbollah casing NYC doesn't mean they want to do us harm! Nahhh!
     
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    Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens

    In Response to Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens:
    In Response to Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens : Your logic is based on the premise that Iran is a threat to the USA which it is not. The people who assert that it is and admonish us to go to war are the very same people whose lies led us into Iraq. Iran is not interested in national suicide, but they do understand that nuclear armed states are less likely targets. Why wouldn't they avail themselves of such protection? Secretive deveolpment of nuclear weapons was fine for Israel after all.
    Posted by real-democrat


    I guess you are arguing with Obama then, because it was their exercise that produced the 200 person threat.  I am not disputing it or endorsing it.  I am merely stating that if you ignore the small threat, it typically grows into a larger threat.

    On Iran in particular:  They want to be a threat.  They may or may not be a threat.  But, Ron Paul is wrong when he indicates that they neither are or want to be a threat. That would be willful ignorance to the statements by the mullas and Ackmadinnerjacket over the years.  Example:  Pushing Israel into the sea is a threat to a friend, therefore a threat to us.
     
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    Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens

    The impact is a speculators dream. Hey maybe they drive the fear factor in the market. The US gets very little oil from this area. The loss would PO the vendors of about 30% of the oil. Given a $110 per barrel and a 28 million barrel a day output thats a $2.8 billion a day reason to put the morons back in the box and they know it. You thought Iraq was pricey.
     Iran just wants to be a player. But they have morons who just want to push the brightest shiny button they can find. They have no government of any real meaning and they keep trashing their rep by being someone not to trust. If it is a war they want, they know that their roads, radars, pipelines, electric grid, air fields, and gov buildings are not safe. Those will be gone in 48 to 72 hours. It has happened recently elsewhere.
     
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    Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens

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    In Response to US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens : I'm not sure how Israel attacking Iran will destroy the U.S. economy. There are plenty of places to get oil. Isn't Iranian oil already embargoed? If so, then what further effect would attacking Iran have on us?
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow

    I guess you have a short memory. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. The price of oil is set by commodities traders and anytime there is a threat of war in the Mideast prices go up directly effecting our economy further.

    When and If Israel attacks Iraq the tens of thousands of soldiers in Afghanistan  lives will be further endangered all for no good reason. Anthony Zinni the Marine general who has a great deal of knowledge on the Mideast has commented that Iran would be far worse that Iran.
     
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    Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens

    It would be a grave mistake for either Israel or the US to strike Iran. Given both countries history, neither would have any scruples, nor take responsibility for their part in creating more strife/resentment in the Middle East. Israel is particulary adroit in not recognizing their egregious part in the ongoing Palestinian calamity.
     
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    In Response to Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens:
    It would be a grave mistake for either Israel or the US to strike Iran. Given both countries history, neither would have any scruples, nor take responsibility for their part in creating more strife/resentment in the Middle East. Israel is particulary adroit in not recognizing their egregious part in the ongoing Palestinian calamity.
    Posted by JM0N


    Well put. The combined histories of the USA and Israel have been nothing but a collaboration in enemy creation. A state created by ethnic cleansing with our uncritical support can never result in anything good.


     
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    Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens

    In Response to Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens:
    In Response to Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens : Well put. The combined histories of the USA and Israel have been nothing but a collaboration in enemy creation. A state created by ethnic cleansing with our uncritical support can never result in anything good.
    Posted by real-democrat



    What makes you so comfortable with nukes in the hands of someone who probably has the mental skill to run a gas station?
     
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    Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens

    In Response to Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens:
    In Response to Re: US Generals Warn- If Israel strikes Iran Hundreds of Americans will die. Blame the Israel Firsters If It happens : What makes you so comfortable with nukes in the hands of someone who probably has the mental skill to run a gas station?
    Posted by skeeter20

    What makes you so ignorant of Persian culture and history?  There is no way that they are going to attack the USA or even Israel if they get nukes. They will not sacrifice themselves and in fact they are doing it so they will be less likely to be a target. Why wouldn't the inventors of chess make a move that protects them?

    You can go on believing the nonsense the neocons are peddling if you want but that did not work out so well last time did it?
     
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