Feeding and spitting up

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    Feeding and spitting up

    Happy Mother's Day to you all! Let's see if I can type this with one hand!  When DS sleeps for 3- 3 1/2 hours (he's 3 wks) I have so much milk that he spits up, not just a little- a TON. He also spits up if he is wide awake while feeding and eats too quickly.  I've been given the advice to let him sleep and not wake him up b/c he's gaining weight, plus getting 3 hrs of sleep is very nice.   This morning I woke up and pumped, to get rid of some milk so he wouldn't spit up. Of course he woke up and screamed, DH took him while i pumped. But if i'm home alone, i can't pump with a screaming kid.  I try feeding him less when I'm really full and he still spits up, and cries b/c he is hungry and wants more.  I can't feed this kid when I'm out for fear that we'll both be covered in spit up! Any suggestions? 
     
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    Happy Mother's Day to you too! 
    How old is DS now?  DD would spit up a LOT up until she was maybe 5-6 weeks, but then it stopped.  Sometimes it looked like she had spit up every drop of what she had just eaten.  I never noticed if there was a link to when I was more full, but that does make sense... I actually don't think there was a link in our case because she would spit up less at night and early morning after she had slept the longest.
    I started giving her a 5-10 minute rest between breasts and that helped a LOT.  I would hold her upright over my shoulder.  But I also think it was a coincidence that around that time she stopped spitting up since she had matured... or something.  So in my experience, she just needed time for her little insides to grow.  Hope that is the case for you too!
     
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    NEVER wake a sleeping baby!

    It's normal for a newborn to throw up, even a few times a day. But from what you've described, I'm guessing that you have overactive letdown. That means that you spray like a firehose. So if you're nursing the baby on his back, he's basically getting waterboarded. Pumping before nursing will increase your supply, and if you have oversupply and/or OALD you'll be making it worse by doing this. It's better to hand express into the sink or a towel before you nurse -- that will get rid of enough excess to keep your baby from choking, but it won't signal to your body to make more milk. You can also move the baby into the cradle hold http://mommyofthree.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/0088cradle-hold.gif?w=468 -- that keeps his head elevated and gives him more control over his head, so he can pull off if the flow comes too fast.

    I had OALD/oversupply, and every time I took my bra off I'd start spraying all over the place. When I nursed the milk got everywhere, to the point where I had a hard time holding onto the baby. But eventually my daughter became accustomed to my OALD, and my supply regulated, and things were okay.
     
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    Wow, having to undress in the tub; yet another reason we celebrate Mother's Day.  

    Hope everyone here had a happy, well-deserved one!
     
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    Incidentally, you can have OALD and not spray all over the place. Most women experience a letdown after the baby has nursed for a bit. Because of my oversupply I didn't experience letdown until I stopped pumping and my supply dropped to a normal level. So you can still have a really powerful letdown without necessarily knowing it.
     
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    I'm so glad these boards exist! If I had called in to the lactation specialist I'd get an answer sometime next week I am sure. 
     
      Fram- I hope that this resolves it self on its own once he's a little bigger, he's only 3 weeks.  Also do you go to the baby cafe (the one affiliated with Melrose-Wakefield right?)  often?  I'm thinking about going..

    Lemon- I just read a website on OALD and all the symptoms sound like they match perfectly.  Hand expressing scares me a little! DH said, is it like milking a cow? oh men!    DS def. gets annoyed when he first starts feeding, stops to cry and unlatch and there is usually milk all over me and him. Now I have to tuck a burp cloth into my bra!  Thank you for the great advice. I stopped using the boppy and just cradle hold him and he's had no huge spit up incidents since!  Laughing
     
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    Hand expressing is easy enough, but it definitely doesn't make you feel pretty.
     
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    ajuly, I have the EXACT same problem. Not to be a downer but I tried all the remedies (gravity, hand-expressing, etc) and she still spits up. I think I would have to spend a lot of time hand expressing to slow things down, and after awhile that starts to hurt. THe pedi said since she's gaining weight and it doesnt bother her, it is just a laundry problem...it is really annoying though. Every now and then my milk will balance out a bit and she might spit up less...but the last week or so its been insane (probably a result of me pumping, but I've needed to), and she's back to spitting up a lot. DH gives her a bottle every night and she doesn't spit up much then - its the Dr. Brown's. 

    Hand expressing is hilarious when I'm really full. I once got up in the middle of the night to pee, and out of curiousity squeezed lightly...and it shot out in a straight stream all the way to the shower curtain. Kind of gross, I know...but I was LMAO. 


    ETA: I could hold her upright for 2 hours, and the second I put her down she'll spit up. So I stopped bothering, and just always have a burp cloth on hand ready. I also started putting a bib on her. 

     
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    i'm going through the same thing too! DS is 6 weeks.

    i went to the baby cafe last week in melrose for some help.  they thought he was becoming bottle dependent and suggested I nurse all weekend using the australian hold.  This hold did work out better, but today we were back to the same problem.  I am convinced, especially after reading all of these posts, that it's oversupply.  So tonight, because it got really bad, I pumped and we bottle fed him.
    It's very frustrating and I feel so bad for my little guy.  He is just so frustrated and he looks at me so sad as if to say, "Mommy, what are you doing to me??"   Not an easy situation, but we are lucky to be producing milk I guess. 
     
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    Are you guys burping after nursing? I had to do that for a long time with my daughter, and really thoroughly, with heavy thumping and jiggling. The best burping method I found was the milkshake. If I didn't burp her after nursing she'd usually throw up when I put her down.
     
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    Incidentally, you can have OALD without oversupply. And the baby gets used to your flow over a few months anyway, and your supply drops when she starts feeding less. I promise, it all works out.
     
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    I've been burping DS a lot, he seems to burp more now, makes sense he's getting more air.  We've had no projectile pukes since I started the cradle hold, let's hope this holds out!  I am not sure now if I should continue pumping, I have only done it 3 times before and stopped b/c of all this.  I would like to start storing milk in the freezer and also get DS used to the bottle. The pedi said that now is a good time to introduce it (so he won't reject the bottle if I wait too long). He took 1 oz. from DH the other day besides that we haven't given him a bottle.  Do you think it's okay to pump, or am I going to mess with this OALD issue?
     
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    I would keep pumping -- it's good to have a stash, and you need a break. Kellymom has some good advice on dealing with OALD.
    http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/fast-letdown.html

    I didn't follow their advice, though -- I was too tired and overwhelmed and it seemed like a lot of work to me. I just let myself spray and the baby barf and eventually my breasts calmed down and she caught up and it all worked itself out. In the meantime, I kept the Lansinoh breast pad company in business.
     
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    Ajuly, with my first I had the exact same problem.  I had OALD and oversupply (which you will have too if you keep pumping a bit here and there!) and my DD puked right after eating pretty much every time.  I never fed her without a burp cloth nearby and to top it off I had to carry around a spare shirt with me for the first 6 months.  Yes it happened for the entire first 6 months until she started solids.  It happened pretty much every time she ate unless I had my letdown go into a wash cloth or other implement.  I leaked like a faucet and had a huge freezer stash.  DD had green p*op from a foremilk/hindmilk imbalance for a while (do block feeding if it comes to that) because I had way too much milk on one side that she was only getting foremilk.  She gained weight steadily but the spit-up kept her in the 75%-50% percentile for weight. 

    Now DS is a champ and gobbles down milk like crazy and he's off the charts for weight and height.  I still have OALD but no big oversupply this time around.  I think that they do get used to it pretty quickly and he actually gets p*ssed at bottles because they don't give him as much milk as quickly as when he nurses.  

    It will get better eventually though!
     
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    Haha you crack me up lemon.  Also the whole "having a break" thing by having DH feed DS a bottle, doesn't really seem to be a break. Don't I need to pump when he gets a bottle so that I don't have too much milk?  I think DS would drown in milk if he went 4-5 hrs with out feeding!
     
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    In Response to Re: Feeding and spitting up:
    [QUOTE]Haha you crack me up lemon.  Also the whole "having a break" thing by having DH feed DS a bottle, doesn't really seem to be a break. Don't I need to pump when he gets a bottle so that I don't have too much milk?  I think DS would drown in milk if he went 4-5 hrs with out feeding!
    Posted by ajuly09[/QUOTE]
    Yeah, I guess it's not much of a break. I did pump after nursing (if she took one side and the other was still full) or when my daughter would sleep too long -- I'd feel sick to my stomach from being too full. But like I said, I wasn't interested in doing things correctly.
     
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    has anyone every tried Milkies? I'm curious to know if they are worth it...am I really wasting enough milk in my leakage to use them and try to salvage it? I thin Medela makes a silicone version but I can only find information on them in the UK so I don't know if they sell them here...


     
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    [QUOTE]ETA: I could hold her upright for 2 hours, and the second I put her down she'll spit up. So I stopped bothering, and just always have a burp cloth on hand ready. I also started putting a bib on her. 
    Posted by SilverFestiva[/QUOTE]

    This is true!!  Sometimes DD spits up immediately... and sometimes it's an hour later.

    Yesterday I decided to go without the nipple shield for as many feedings in a row as possible and see if my nipples get sore (because that would be the biggest indicator that she is still squishing my nipples).  So this morning (after she slept for 8+ hours), I fed her without the shield and she spit up SOOOO much!  For us, the milk definitely comes out faster without the shield so it was too much for her... It went all over her arm, down my side, down my back, into my underwear, in between the sofa cushions.  WOW!  Lesson learned - she doesn't need 15 mins per side without the shield!

    Babycafe - I have gone 3 times and really like it.  I plan to go this Friday and next while I can.  They also have it on Wednesday nights from 6-8, but I don't see how that would work since DD's last feeding is usually between 7 and 8.  I think it would interfere with getting her to bed, but it probably works out for newborns who sleep all the time.
    SLP - I think maybe I know which one was you :o)  I think I remember them telling someone to try going the whole weekend without bottles.
     
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    Just writing to second about the burping, when my daughter was brand new it took aggeeesssss to burp her, but if I put her down within a 1/2 hour of eating she'd spit up.  Not always tons, but enough to get her wet (I was always scared that she'd get it in her ears??).  Anyway, I have a powerful letdown too, and it is always worst in the morning.  Now she's 4 months so we're good with it now, but with my first baby, my goodness, I didn't know what was making her so mad and turns out it was my firehose.  With #2 we didn't have the issue because when I knew it would be bad (overnight and first thing in the morning) I held her more in a sitting up position and it did the trick.  I also hold a burp cloth in the hand that cradles her head and when she lets go to take a much needed breath, I subdue the firehose and when the spray stops put her back on.  That seems to be enough to get a regular feeding going.  My supply evened out around 6 weeks, so now even when she skips a feeding or I'm bulging at the seams, we don't get a crazy spray.  As for the spitting up, burping still works for us.  I find though, and I have no idea why, that if she spits up once in a day, she's going to do it all day.  If she doesn't spit up by 9am, she's not going to spit up at all that day.  I can't figure that one out.
     
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    I'm not sure what Milkies are exactly, but in the middle of the night feeding with DS, if I fed on the right, the left would leak an ounce or two... it's a little tricky to hold a pumping bottle there, but it can be done.  I never had much luck with pumping, for either kid, so soaking the milk up in a burp cloth was killing me.  DH suggested the bottle and voila! 
     
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    This is not about the OALD issue, but about burping and positions:
    Some babies are just spitters.  Our LO spit up constantly for 5 months.  Right after eating, later on, right before eating.  Sitting up, lying down, before burping, after burping, whatever.  Didn't faze her in the least, but it really stunk for us.  Our pediatrician said if it didn't cause her pain, we would just have to wait it out.  And we did.
     
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