Is this PPD, or working motherhood?

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    I think it's a bit late at 8 months, technically, for PPD to kick in.

    However, I've suffered from regular ol' depression before, and you have some symptoms.  You don't have to look like those grey, extremely sad people in antidepressant ads to have depression, lol, and it can manifest in many ways.

    Some of which you describe.  An inabiliy to do regular tasks that you previously in 18 months have found time to do and a frustration over it is one of them.  A vague "can't put your finger on the problem" feeling is another.  So is a dramatic increase in a need/desire for sleep instead of "quality" husband time.  This is normal pp, but if it's just become more pronounced an issue at this point, it's not necessarily attributable to regular "just had a baby" stuff.

    It might be a generalized anxiety thing or mild depression.  Drugs with your mild case are probably not necessary (and probably not indicated for BFing).  But, mild anxiety and depression responds extremely well to talk therapy.  Of course, the irony is you feel like you can't get motivated to research a therapist and go.  And, of course, there are physical issues, too, like what to do with your child during appointments and all, too.  But, I highly recommend talking to your husband about this and asking for insight into how to get going on it and make it work.  

    I'm betting it won't be a long term thing, and you'll pull out of your funk.  But, if you let it go as-is and take a "oh, you're just tired," or "all moms feel this way sometimes," approach I think you'll find you're in the same or worse position emotionally next year at this time than you are now.

    GL and best wishes!


    ETA:  I've been thinking about this all morning and have another few things to add.

    First, my comments were 100% based on the assumption that this general "out of sorts," "what's wrong with me" feeling has come on to you rather recently, not something you've experienced the whole 8 months since your baby was born.

    Another thought, when I was going through my depression, it was extremely diffiucult for me to get the motivation to get help - it was another task I felt I couldn't do.  But, I forced it.   And, I found a practitioner that was 10 minutes from work so I could fit appointments in during my lunch hour.  I found my employee assistance program very helpful and supportive in finding me help that matched my issues, and it was not nearly as threatening as I imagined it would be.

    Before others jump in with "don't be silly, all moms feel this way," and "no mom feels she has time to do it all," it sounds to me like you get to the end of the day, know you had time to do certain important things (like bill paying), but you didn't do them and you have no idea why.  And, day after day it's the same.  You get to the end of the day totally exhausted, didn't do what you needed to do, could have, and have no idea why it didn't get done again.  That's what is driving my armchair diagnosis as a generalized anxiety or mild depression.  Bills have to get paid.  You know they do.  And yet, you can't take 10 minutes to write a check and put a stamp on a pre-addressed envelope.  Day after day.  AND, very importantly, you're frustrated by the seeming inability to make yourself do it.  You are not frustrated by "not having time" to do it or being too tired to do it.  That's very different and very telling about what's really going on here.

    Anyway, I relate to having these symptoms (although, as you know, I'm not a mom).  I did take medication for awhile, but my depression went far beyond these mild symptoms.  I was practically paralyzed.  You aren't there, but you're on the mild end of the depression/generalized anxiety continuum imo, and if ignored will continue to worsen gradually.

    It's not a disaster if it is mild depression.  Many who feel as you describe do phenomenally well with therapy, and it doesn't take forever - that's a myth.  Other things can help, too, like taking a very short (10 minute) walk every day while Dad is with baby.
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    ML, you should make an appt w/ your doctor right away.

    I don't have kids, but I have the same problems w/ the amount of time I have to do things outside of work.  There aren't enough hours in the day. If I hadn't hired a cleaning service, I would not have time to do anything.  I think this is an issue w/ modern life, not b/c of the baby. But you should make an appt w/ the doctor to be sure.  GL.
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    Well, I'm really hoping it's not depression!  I hope it's just that these first few years are both tough as well as wonderful.

    I also work full time, my DD is about to turn 1 and to top it off I'm also 5 months pregnant.  I am generally tired as a baseline energy level, and usually exhausted by the end of most days.  I missed a bill that almost got some insurance cancelled!!!  I'm also usually weeks late opening mail and my house is a disaster zone.  I think I need more help, and you probably do too!  The first year or two is a lot of one-on-one time with baby.  Don't beat yourself up for not getting everything done.  I try not to.  Ask DH for more help, or if you have family around, even better (I don't and I'm jelous of people who do).  I'm glad to hear that your relationship with DD is great.  I'm wondering if it might be due to the sleep problems you mention.  When my DD started sleeping through the night and napping more regularly (on a schedule) things much improved... though I still can't get that vacuuming done!  LOL

    Anyway, you're not alone. 
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    ml, I'll start by saying you're definitely not alone; I think all new moms have felt this way to some degree, at one time or another.

    Technically PPD is depression that starts within one year of giving birth, but I don't think in your case that's what it is.  I agree with Kar; I'm thinking maybe anxiety and possibly mild depression, if anything.  Either way, you should absolutely make an appointment with your doctor.  There's no sense in suffering through this if your doctor can help!

    The reason I don't think this is PPD is because I sought treatment for it myself, and I'm still on medication for it.  I recognized the symptoms very early -- DD wasn't even a month old, but I just knew I had PPD.  I had the same feelings that you did about not being able to get things done, I forgot to do important things, and I didn't even have any desire to spend time with my DH.  However, the difference was that it wasn't all wonderfulness with DD and I.  I felt like I was having a hard time bonding with her, I believed that I was a failure as a mother, and I thought that DD would have been better off without me because I was completely letting her down.  I'd also have horrible anxiety when I was left alone with her, because I didn't feel capable of taking care of her or comforting her.

    I'm so thankful that I called my doctor as soon as I recognized the signs, because now everything is great.  DD and I have definitely bonded, and I am 100% confident that I'm doing a great job as her mom.  I came back to work last week, and the transition wasn't as difficult as I anticipated.  My house is a complete disaster still, but I've finally accepted that between DH, DD, and a dog, I'm never going to be able to keep it clean again.  :)

    You WILL find your work/life balance at some point, but it's certainly not easy.  But please call your doctor if you think something is up -- it could get worse if you wait for it to pass.  Like I said, there's no reason to suffer through it!
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    I think it is probably a whole host of things but checking in with your doctor is probably a very good idea.  I went through something similar after DS was born.  It turned out my Graves Disease had a huge flair up.  
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    In addition to all the good advice you've already received, I just wanted to add that I definitely felt ups and downs as I got further along with BF'ing and my supply changed, my period returned, I began weaning, etc. I agree with everyone that there's no harm in talking to your doctor. GL!
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    ml, I have felt like that too and I agree that you should talk to your doctor because it is affecting your work life, and because the bills need to get paid. There might not be a pill you can take to fix it all, but you might find that talking to someone helps you manage your time and your emotions better, because from what you've said it sounds like you work long hours and feel guilt about that. You should not feel guilty about having a career. Your baby loves you and knows who her mommy is. You are setting a good example for her, both through being a good mom and through being a successful businesswoman.

    I also think you should really consider getting serious about sleep training, because lack of sleep -- full, uninterrupted REM sleep -- can lead to depression, confused thinking, etc. Remember that sleep deprivation is used as an interrogation technique because it's such an effective method for breaking a person's spirit. I don't usually urge anyone to sleep train -- I think it's a really personal decision -- but speaking from experience, I can say that it made a huge difference for ME. I was really falling apart at work and I had infected tear ducts from my eyes watering all the time, and I actually was doing okay in terms of total sleep, but with an hour+ gap in the middle. Different people have different sleep needs, and I was getting psychotic from not having a solid run of sleep.

    Another thing to consider is that if you're working and being a mom all the time you might not be getting any exercise. That's bad for your physical and mental state. I'm still working on that one.
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    Kar, PPD can hit anytime in the first year, so it's not too late.  The hormones are going crazy for that whole first year, and it effects everyone differently.  Also, weaning (as I have learned in the last couple of weeks) sets off a whole new spiral of hormones, as your body adjusts to that.

    That said, I am in the same boat as you are.  My DD is 5.5 mos old, I've been back to work for about 3 months, and I feel like I am doing nothing well.  Well, except for the baby, she's incredible.  All of her laundry is done and folded, but I've ignored mine for weeks.  Her bottles are clean and organized, but I leave the dishwasher full for days.  And in the evenings, my husband and I are so tired that we are in bed right after the baby, so I feel like we're not connecting or talking or communicating, and we are most definitely not fooling around.  And work is full of its own frustrations!

    It is a hard adjustment...and I don't know if it will get better, or if we'll just adjust to this as the new normal. But you are definitely not alone, and we as women have to learn to be better about talking about how hard this is! 
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    As everyone else has suggested, check with your doctor, even if it's just running some blood tests (thyroid issues etc.) just to be sure.  On the other hand, I do think that it's important to try to take some time to do some things for yourself if you can.  Exercise, a pedicure, a massage etc. just to treat yourself for once will hopefully make your day a little brighter.  
    We have a cleaning lady and that's awesome.  Maybe you need to take a day off of work just to do something for yourself where nobody is expecting anything from you at all.  It sounds like you're feeling the pressure of trying to please/perform/entertain everyone in your life without taking any time to do that for yourself.  

    I run, and that's my outlet.  I feel awesome after I do it and it gives me time away to myself or to run and chat with my running partner.  I know it would sound like you're trying to squeeze yet another thing into your busy schedule, but in reality, you'll thank yourself for it and your daughter will be okay for that extra hour that you take to do something for yourself.  

    The first time I left my daughter in daycare and took a day off for myself I felt a little guilty.  Then I realized that I needed to do it for my own sanity.  

    I hope that there's nothing wrong physically with you, and hope that you can find some time to treat yourself!  
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    Oh, and if it is PPD, there are plenty of meds that are okay while breastfeeding, so don't let that stop you from asking for help!  And please, if you do look for help, go to a psychiatrist or psychiatric nurse who treats women, not to your OB or PCP.  Just like you wouldn't want a PCP or OB doing heart surgery, you want someone who treats this every day and knows how to help you get better!!
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    I have little to add to the depression conversation that hasn't already been said.  I've been doing talk therapy on and off for years for mild depression and it really really helped a lot.  Simply having someone validate that what you're dealing with is difficult and that working and being a new mother is not easy can do wonders.  I hope that you'll look into it and I hope it makes a difference for you.  FWIW, I see a nurse practitioner (i.e. can prescribe) who has a Ph.D. in something counseling-related.  That combination has come in handy since she can prescribe if needed and I haven't needed to make a separate appt. with a psychiatrist at times when I've been on medication.

    I will say that I don't think the house-cleaning situation gets any better as the kids get older.  My two are ridiculously afraid of the vacuum cleaner, so I can't even vacuum unless another adult is in the house to placate them.  I do let them "help" me dust, and I can get them to carry arm-fulls of dirty laundry to the laundry room, but otherwise, it's just hard to get anything done while they're awake.  SO...I just wanted to point out that there's a "Buy with me" deal this week for house cleaning:

    It's a one-time thing, but just buying it elevated my mood exponentially.  KNOWING that someone else is going to come to our house one day in the near future and give it a thorough scrubbing is awesome.  I haven't set it up yet, but I will hopefully get around to it tomorrow.  I feel like things are so far gone at this point, that it would take me 3 or 4 kid-free, work-free days just to get the entire house to a presentable state.  I'm hoping that if someone else comes in and gets it to that point, that we can maintain it from there.  We've considered getting a regular cleaning person in the past, but it's never worked out for one reason or another.  Anyway...just wanted to let you know about that deal.  Although I'm not a "neat-freak," I know that my mood improves considerably when the house is reasonably clean and I'm not noticing the dust bunnies in the corners and the other random things that happen when I don't have time to do more than cleaning triage on a weekly or bi-weekly basis.

    I hope things start to improve for you soon.  Have someone else clean your house so you have time to do other tasks (paying bills) and do something fun with DH and DD this weekend.  And again, I highly recommend the talk therapy.  Let the therapist decide if medication is warranted or not, but if it isn't, give the talking a chance.  I know it's made a big difference for me over the years.
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    ML-  Totally normal as others have said. 

    When DD was 14 months old I had an ectopic pregnancy.  Previous to that, I had managed quite ok.  After that, I was overwhelmed with a lot and also became a Hypochondriac and thought I was dying with every pain and ache I had.  I went to the doctor and as soon as I told her I thought I had brain cancer, lyme disease and meningitis she knew that I was overwhelmed.  She suggested I see a behavioral specialist to talk about my needs and ultimetly I did end up on a "happy" pill.  This is what I needed, not saying you do but it def helped me get back into the swing on things and not feel like I was falling apart.  She had said to me that when she first met me I had no responsiblities and now I was married, had a child, owned a home, etc and it is a lot of pressure to put on someone, ecspecailly a Mom.   So it is very common and Def go talk to your doctor.  They had a lot of options besides drugs that you could do to try and releive some pressure.

    Good Luck, you are not alone...My doctor actually told me this was "normal" for working moms.
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    Thank you for the correction regarding PPD - I thought it came on right away.  And, yes, if there are mild depression meds that are safe during BFing, I wouldn't rule out exploring that option, too.

    BUT, that said, with mild cases like this (if my assessment is correct), talk therapy has been shown to be equally as effective as drugs in clinical studies.  And, my own experience with antidepressants eventually turned out to be a lifesaver, but for 5 months it was hell.  If you want to talk privately about it so I don't derail this thread, my email is kargiverbdc at gmail.
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    Hi ML, 

    I found this article to be interesting on PPD relapse after returning to work:    

    I hear you on feeling like you are juggling a million things, and doing non of them well.  It doesn't help any of the blues/ depression especially if you were once really successful at your job, and now work hard only to achieve mediocrity. Whether hormonal or not, it still gets me down that I cannot be as good a worker as I used to be.  Sounds like you are in the same boat.  If you think the anxiety is what is causing you to be less productive though, then it may very well be worth a trip to Dr.  

    Personally, I keep waiting for the day I am going to accept that post baby life is different, and I need to change how I go about making other things work into this new life (like work).  I know I am still in denial about that subconsciously, but since I am a rookie (and there is no time to really reflect on any of it) I keep trying to make it all work!

    Sound familiar?!

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    I had PPD after DS and decided to start medication right after delivery with DD to try to proactively avoid similar feelings.  I am also a mental health professional.  I don't have much to add to the conversation than what has already been said as folks here made some great points.  What I would stress based on the above discussion:
    1.  It is definitely not too late for it to be PPD, especially if you are BFing, weaning, haven't regained your period yet, etc., b/c all those hormones are still at play for you. 
    2.  Talk to your doctor.  First, get checked out physically to make sure there isn't a biological cause (thyroid for example) influencing how you are feeling.  Then, ask for a referral to a therapist, preferably one who has experience with women's health, PPD, etc.  If you decide to use medication for anxious or depressed symptoms, you can take certain ones safely while BFing. 
    3.  It may impossible to tease out specifically if it is depression, anxiety, hormones, being a working mom, etc. But sleep deprivation, anxiety, depression, and hormones are all interwoven and influence one another a great deal. The bottom line is it sounds like you don't fully feel like yourself and you are struggling with energy, concentration, motivation.... all definitely worth getting support/help for. 
    4.  Do try to focus on sleep training as lemon suggested.  If you haven't regularly had a full night's sleep, properly processing through sleep cycles, since your LOs birth, that is likely a major influence on how you feel and how you function at work.  Broken up sleep and continuous sleep are not equivalent, even if they are for the same amount of hours. Once DD is sleep trained, work on establishing your own bedtime routine and sleep hygiene habits.
    5. When possible/affordable, try to get help with things. Peapod grocery delivery, housecleaning, a sitter for DD once in a while, help from a family member with meal prep, laundry, etc. I find I save time by doing a ton more online shopping and I do have my house cleaned every third week so we only have to do minor upkeep in between.  Getting a sitter for 2hrs here or there to just plow through bills and errands may be worth it... yes, its 2 hrs away from DD, but it may overall improve your ability to function with her and at work the rest of the week and take away some of that overwhelmed feeling.
    Good luck ML.... you are not alone!  These feelings are normal and common.  We working moms have a lot of forces putting pressure on us.  But just b/c these feelings are normal, that doesn't mean that you have to put up and get used to feeling that way.  I hope some of the tips on these boards are helpful. 
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    While it can't hurt to check in with the doc, I think a lot of what you're feeling is pretty normal.  Being a working mom is hard - hormones and lack of sleep make it harder!  There are days I feel like I'm doing nothing well, and then other days I feel like Supermom or a rock star at work (never both on one day mind you!)  Never do I feel like my house is spotless LOL!  As for quality time with DH... I think we REALLY connect about once a week right now, sometimes late at night when we really should be asleep, sometimes on the phone during the day.

    It's a constant balancing act, but it does get easier as they get a little older (I think taking lack of sleep and hormones out of the picture and adding a little mom-confidence are big factors)  It's hard to take time for yourself, but it does help, even if it's a walk around the block at night.  I think DD was nearly 2 before I really understood this and did it guilt-free... now I practically skip to the grocery store when I get to do it alone LOL!  I used to always be on top of everything - top performer at work, always had things looked after etc.  I've kind of resolved to just being a solid employee for a few years while the kids are young, and that has relieved some stress (and oddly, my performance review did not reflect my change in attitude)

    Anyway, I don't mean to minimize what may be going on, as others have shown, there can be some serious issues that have some good solutions.  It's impossible to know from just your post how serious your situation is and how much is just venting but I just wanted you to know that some of it at least, is normal (or at least common!) I also take the fact that things with you and DD are great as a very positive sign.

    Hang in there!
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    Since the conversation has moved a bit onto the PPD topic, just wanted to clarify a bit about what it is (my mom's career is in this, so I knew a lot about it before I had a baby).  

    Postpartum depression is one of a spectrum called postpartum mood and anxiety disorders.  It can present as depression, anxiety, obsessive thought disorder, among others.  Its onset is anytime in the first year post-partum, it presents more often with women with a history or family history of mood or anxiety disorders, and there are some studies that there is an increased chance of PPD after infertility treatments.  Although it is talked about more now, it is often misdiagnosed and mistreated, and since motherhood is "supposed" to be this incredible happy experience, it is often ignored in early stages.  The best way to treat it is talk therapy, but often a treatment plan will include medications. 

    PPD and its related disorders should not be ignored and should be treated.

    That said, whether PPD or just regular postpartum adjustment, nutrition, sleep, and exercise are important for all new moms.  And they are all things we sacrifice in order to care for our babies. 

    Some great resources:
    Postpartum Support International:

    The Center for Early Relationship Support at Jewish Family and Children's Services (and no, you do not have to be Jewish to participate/use these programs):
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    Thank you so much for starting this thread.  I could have written this myself, except my DS2 is 5 1/2 months and DS1 is 3.5 and I have a family history of depression.  I also work full time and have felt so many of the things you describe for such a long time.  I wanted to get help, but felt that I was depriving my boy (then boys) of precious time with me by even thinking about taking the time to go to therapy.  Besides, how would I find the time to do it if I couldn't find the time to pay my bills. 
    I finally started therapy this week and feel so relieved that I have finally done this.  I feel like providence is sending me a guide, because I read an article on Todaymoms about mommy guilt that totally explained my feelings and then this post.  Yes, it is normal to feel all these things, but as the therapist told me, there are so many things to work with - tools you can be provided, exercises, etc that will help you through all of these things. 
    I would recommend finding someone professional to talk to.  Your doctor, but agree - find someone who specializes in mental health and specifically women's issues.  It can't hurt and can help.

    Note however, I was also hesitant b/c of a history of bad therapists in the past (or ones that didn't click) so talk to your doctor, your friends, your work's EAP to help find a good fit.

    And good luck!
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    I agree a lot with what has been said- and am having some of the same issues (DS 8.5 months).  i do (now- post baby) have a thyroid issue as well, which would be good to rule out.  but I think that a lot of this is normal (or at least I have assumed that).  After you first have the baby- and get a schedule down, and go back to work, it is like you are starting from scratch- at least in my job, I had no "piles" to go back to. but now, 5 months later, I can't keep up because the cumulative work load of taking a 70 hour a week job and putting it into 50 hours per week has not been working. and... i need more than 5 hours of sleep per night...breast feeding/pumping is physically draining for me. And at night, when most of the “Extras” used to fit- in addition to caring for DS, I also try to eat dinner, and then have to prep his food, clothes, etc. for the day. Basically, i think that at first, i was only counting the time I spent with him (e.g., in bed by 8:30)- not all the extra time i spend dealing with his stuff (extra hour, not counting laundry) and when i totaled that in, stuff has to give.

    i am a big proponent of therapy- and think that everyone (depressed or not) can benefit from taking an hour a week to focus on themselves. However, it is also likely that you need to take some stuff off your plate- make a list of priorities or tasks you want to keep, and then farm out the rest, increase organizational systems, etc.  and commit to the ones that you keep. The housekeeping thing really bothers me, but obviously not enough (because I am still inconsistently cleaning only dirty stuff- not my normal)

    I can't remember exactly what you do for a living, but I think that i have a sense... that info would help.  if it is what I think I remember- my "career" (with the years of grad school and all) quickly became a "job" once DS was born, and i had a lot less motivation to do the extra that everyone at work had become accustomed to.

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    SO...I just wanted to point out that there's a "Buy with me" deal this week for house cleaning: It's a one-time thing, but just buying it elevated my mood exponentially.  KNOWING that someone else is going to come to our house one day in the near future and give it a thorough scrubbing is awesome. 
    Posted by Daisy75

    DO IT.  We have someone come once a month right now and it's amazing how relieved I am each time.  She does things like dust the baseboards (!) and just generally gets things much nicer than I would ever have time to do, even if I had time to clean.  In fact, she told me she is desperately in need of work, so if anyone would like her contact info message me and I'll send it to you.  I personally think she's a bit on the expensive side, but she does a nice job and I was in a rush to find someone so just hired the first one I found that had great reviews.

    ML - I'm so sorry you're dealing with this.  I don't have much to add other than the excellent advice that's already been given, but I hope that you get some relief soon.
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    Daisy...I hope that link is the one that if you get 3 others to buy, you get yours free!!  I just bought one!

    DH and I talked about getting a cleaner once/month to do a thorough cleaning of the house.  I am so excited to do this!  Woohoo!
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    We have a cleaner every other week, and on those Monday evenings when I come home after she's been there, I am SOOOOOO happy!  Definitely a sort of therapy of its own!
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    I'm sorry to derail this topic, but I do wonder if a cleaning lady might be just what the doctor ordered!   Can someone tell me what they might charge if your house is in a state?  And by state I mean 2300 sqft of dust bunnies!  (I have two dust creating cats).  Not to mention the kitchen and bathrooms needing a thorough scrubbing.

    I'm on board to hire a cleaning lady.  I just need to convince DH.

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    Sigh... A cleaner sounds wonderful, but I'm still in shock over daycare prices!!
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    Trouble, most cleaners that I contacted had an "initial clean" price [which was based on the number of hours it took x their hourly rate].  After that, it is a set amount per cleaning session.  Have them come out and give you a quote. :-)