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late talkers...?

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    Poppy - I love "uh oh" too.  It's probably DD's only "word" so far.  She emphasizes it differently so that it comes out "uh OOOOOH" or something like that.  Cracks me up every time :o)
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    winterwedding - where did you find the private service alternate to EI?  i would be interested in that as an option to fall back on.  i'm with you; the state system was less than impressive based on my experience - took from october until january for us to get through the red tape to start (well, in our case decide not to start) EI...

    thanks all for your feedback too! :)
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    Stefani - ask your Pedi for a referral.  Are you still in Boston?
    You can take them to Cheryl Bakey at Mass Eye and Ear. She's an excellent SLP. Or, if she only does kids with hearing loss, I'm sure she can give you some great referrals.

    Good luck!
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    kiwi- I am sure that many of them are very helpful. that is why I said it was frustrating for me....  I work with developing children and refer to them all the time. just not a good match for children who have receptive langauge skills and I felt that the team decided before we met with them that they wouldn't be servicing DS.

    stefani-  depends on where you are and how far you want to go. Children's only does it in their satelite clinics now (waltham, lexington, peabody) but they gave me a name of a place close to where I live. there is also a good place in brookline...  I am sure MGH and MEE both have good programs.
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    We have EI.  An important thing that I have learned is that EI, while a state program, has different service providers and each covers different towns.  So I'm sure there is variability between service providers, as well as individual therapists.
    In our particular case, we had an experience similar to winter's except it was the fine/gross motor that were linked together.  In our case, they did recommend going ahead with the 6 months even though the fine motor brought the score up "too high".  The evaluation people seemed very aware of this issue, and even mentioned that they have this difficulty a lot with receptive/expressive language.
    I have a lot of respect for EI because many of the people they work with are families that are not sure how to access different resources.  The fact that we are all on here indicates that we have ideas about development and thoughts on where to turn for help.  If our EI person gave me a print out of the exercises/games she was going to do, I could probably do them myself.  But other families need the opportunity to get these same kind of resources.  I don't know if this makes sense or if it sounds rude.  I hope it is coming out right!

    In fun language news, we went to the orthopedist at Children's yesterday, and when we were coming down the stairs into the main lobby there were pretty lights hanging from the ceiling and DD pointed up and said "WOW"!  :)
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    According to the Denver Developmental Screen 15 months should be between 3-6 words. At 15 months about 50% have 3 words and 75% have 2 words not including mamma, dadda.  So if I hear a child has 3 words by 15 months I am not worried.

    I have heard many words come from DD but not super consistently except for the words mamma, dadda, up, home, head, hi, dog and baby and now duck.  I am more concerned if receptive language does not appear to be there - ie. they don't seem to  understand what you are saying and following simple commands. 

    This post made me review my Denver Screening and it was super funny b/c I have been frustrated that DD has just started to point at certain objects in books.  Turns out that is expected at closer to 18 months.

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    Stefani - you and I have never seen eye to eye but I really wanted to respond here as I've got a lot of experience with EI and speech therapy with DS who is now going to be 3 in April.  I have had a WONDERFUL experience with tremendously experienced experts, both have 20+ years experience in their field.  I get services based from Concord at the Minuteman Arc.  My son is made tons of improvement with his two therapists, one for play therapy so he can essentially learn how to learn with a teacher and the other with a speech therapist.

    Our pedi was intially pretty laid back about when kids should start talking.  But there is a long time between the 18 and 24 month appointment - 6 months is EONS for a baby.  I was getting worried at 20 months when he still really wasn't able to mimic sounds.  He did tons of babbling and had a few exclamitory phrases, uh-oh and wow.  But no mama or dada consistantly.  At that point, he signed extensively, probably 40+ signs.  By the time we got enrolled into the EI program and started sessions, he was 24 months.  Yes there is a big difference between 15 and 20 months but the key warning signs I missed (he is my first) were the babbling and mimicing that babies do to learn how to communicate, the sort of back and forth that my 6 month old DS does extensively.  DS wasn't quiet or non-social, he just seemed to miss the conversational element to his development.  And now I know better with #2 and see the big differences.

    So, if by the 18 month period, you are still wondering, just get the eval done with EI and take it from there.  I can't stress enough how important it is to get started in the process now.  You have nothing to lose and can always decline services if you don't want them.

    EI is free and service age ranges from 0 months to 3 years.  For EI ,you pay one annual fee (pro-rated by 6 months) dependent on your income and THAT'S IT. 

    On their 3rd birthday, they are graduated into the public school system and your town does its own evaluation.  I am in this process right now and I can't tell you enough how great my EI team is in helping me navigate the process into public school.  Best wishes!
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    I second Kargiver's anecdotal observation about boys being slower to talk.  My girl has been a chatterbox since day one.  I've heard a lot of other people (mommies and professionals) say the same.

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    My son was evaluated at 18 months for expressive speech delay.  He qualified for EI and it really made a difference.  He wasnt babbling or saying anything.  When he did finally start talking he had some difficulty with some letter sounds.  He ended up getting speech through the public schools for a few months, but then was discharged because he didnt need it anymore.  I honestly felt better about getting him evaluated rather than waiting too long and having his speech delays get worse.  It doesnt hurt to get an eval.  
     The only problem I had with EI was that the speech therapist working with him was "diagnosing" him with speech disorders that he didnt even have and making observations that werent accurate.  It was almost like she was looking for problems that weren't there.  The therapists and teachers with the public school system were wonderful when they evaluated him and found nothing of concern other than a mild delay. They agreed with my instincts.  His IEP meeting basically shot down any of the EI therapists observations.  Don't get me wrong, EI did help with his speech but make sure that after EI, your child gets a good eval by the public schools just in case.   BTW he was discharged from his IEP before he attended kindergarten and is now in first grade and talks up a storm!!  GOOD LUCK
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    DS is now 20 months but if I remember correctly he did not have too many words at 15months.  I always felt like the other kids in his class had way more words.  But now his teachers always say how amazing it is in his uptake in words - he learns new ones every day.  And he is the most talkative in class and putting words together to make sentences such as "more milk please", "up please", "Teacher's Name Yogurt please." etc  His teacher actually is having a lot of fun with him teaching him lots of new words.  So I guess what I am saying is have a bit of patience and just keep talking and reading and signing.  My mom had said a few times she thought that signing kept him from speaking sooner...I think signing is what has ignited the vocabulary once he finally did start (but perhaps I am biased ;))
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    My 1st daughter was a late talker, and we finally had an EI eval when she was 21 months old.  She qualified for services (expressive language), and we started off with a developmental specialist once a week, then added a speech therapist once a week.  I was also able to get her into a group session once a week. Honestly, aside from the group session, I don't really think any of it helped.  It was only when we started her in preschool 5 mornings a week that her vocabulary started to grow. She had previously been with my mother every day, and being around other children on a regular basis was what seemed to spur her on.

    One thing about EI that was a huge help...when she reached the cut-off age for EI services, we were able to get her right into the public school services without too much hoopla. She saw a Speech Therapist once a week until she was 4-1/2 and "graduated".  She's now 7, and you would never know to hear her that she had a speech delay.
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    The thing is, so many people have said "I don't think that EI helped, I think he/she would have _______ (walked, talked, etc.) the same now without it."  But that's hard to know, right?  I mean, you did use EI for whatever, and she/he is doing X only a bit late, and perhaps they would have caught up alone, perhaps not.  Sometimes it's just that a child does something later than most children - but other things really are a real delay, and isn't going to magically get better without some intervention, some help.  Children WANT to develop, they want to progress, they aren't lazy, they don't "just not want to" talk, walk, whatever. 

    Since OP's son couldn't swallow food at 12 months (which is a delay, no matter which way you look at it), it's also possible that his motor skills in his mouth (or his lack of them) are causing an issue with speaking.  Speaking requires oral motor skills, just as throwing a ball is about arm motor skills.  So if you are still working with a specialist around swallowing skills, perhaps that will help his language to develop?

    I don't think a 15 month old with a few words is too much of a problem, and children do develop at different rates,, but I would think that if he's where he is now at 18 months I'd push for an evaluation.  He's one of twins, was he born early?  Being a premie can delay things, too.  And honestly, as many of you with 18 month olds know, language BLOOMS between 15 mos and 18 mos typically, and then there is another BLOOM at around 24 to 28 months, it seems.  All of a sudden our 2+ yr olds are speaking in paragraphs with some semblance of grammar and everything!

    Go here to fill out a (free) survey about language skills - you enter your child's DOB then answer easy questions and it will tell you what is considered within normal range for that age group.  We had a parent use this when she was worried about her daughter's delays in language and eating.  this is for Washington, DC but for once something in the DC government is helpful!  This probably exists in lots of areas, but this is the one in our area so the one I know.  I did it for this child and learned something.

    This is for the more general website that gets you to that survey - you can also do one for a child's behavior:

    Anyway, this might be of interest.

    I'm not someone who pushes for intervention and the labeling of children as having "problems" but I also think that ignoring or hoping for the best doesn't help.  And I've seen a set of twins who had physical therapy and for one of them it made a HUGE difference - from not even being able to roll over at 9 months old he went on to roll over, crawl, sit, pull to a stand, walk, climb and run by 18 months of age - and I KNOW he'd not be on target at 2 years of age if left to his own devices.  Because he wanted to do those things, he just couldn't do it and couldnt' figure out how to attempt, because his muscles and whatnot weren't doing what other children's naturally do.  So his mother and our teachers did exercises specifically designed to work on specific skills, and he developed them, and really made HUGE strides in only 9 months....
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    I also have twins and I think they are just a couple weeks older than yours (I'm a lurker on these boards and don't post too often).  At their 15 month appt the pedi asked what words they knew.  They didn't know any.  These are our first kids and I guess we just never realized that they were supposed to know a few words by 15 months.  The pedi recommended getting an EI evaluation so we did.  We felt that if the pedi thought they were a little delayed then we should do something about it now and not wait.  For us we just didn't see the point in waiting another 3 months and them possibly being even more behind.

    We were able to get the evaluations fairly quickly.  A team of people came to our house for two hours and tested one of our sons.  The same team came back a week later to test the other one.  They both had scores low enough to qualify for speach therapy.  Neither of them walk yet so we thought they would also qualify for other services but they didn't. 

    At first the EI coordinator tried to have them both seen at once for one hour a week.  I had to argue a little about this because each of them qualified and I am paying for 2 kids so I wanted each of them to have one hour a week.   They did finally agree. 

    This was our first week of receiving services so I can't comment on if it works or not but it can't hurt.  Our kids go to a daycare center so for most visits the speach therapist will just see them there.