SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

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    SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    The state Supreme Judicial Court ruled today that women are entitled to no more than eight weeks of unpaid maternity leave without fear of losing their jobs under the Massachusetts Maternity Leave Act, even if their employers offer them more time off. 

    Do you think eight weeks is enough time off after having a baby?
     
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    Um, no.  And I hope my company doesn't get wind of this or there goes my 14 weeks off (without any pay, but at least I get to keep my job).
     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    FMLA trumps MMLA, I think, so if your company falls within FMLA I think you're fine.  14 weeks is great, though unpaid is terrible :(

    I just read the article and I'm just apalled by it and by the opinions expressed by the regular boston.com readers that appear after the article.  It's just so sad.  Why do people think that maternity leave is a vacation?  On what kind of a vacation do you get no sleep, have to recover from surgery or other injuries (for lack of a better term) all the while caring for a delicate new life?  People have no empathy!!!
     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    I'm a small biz owner with about 20 employees and a Mom myself.  This is a bad idea.  8 Weeks isn't enough time to figure out all the dynamics of a shifting family.  That's only 2 weeks after the postpartum OB appointment?  When you put this up against the European countries with lengthy maternity times (some of them paid!) this just sounds like bad business.  

    Recession or no recession, 12 weeks is barely fair.  It should be left at that. 

    Lisa

     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    There's a lot of reference to FMLA - which clearly states that 12 weeks of UNPAID leave can be used without an employee losing their job. FMLA can be used by fathers as well. I think 8 weeks is a slap in the face, and 12 weeks is no better, but I don't see it changing. I have several Canadian friends who have had children and have told me they get a year of maternity leave at 75% (not exactly sure on the percent) of their pay, and their jobs are there when they return. In NYS, maternity leave is categorized under disability - which seems miscategorized in my opinion. I think working parents pay their fair share through taxes to be allowed to take off time to be with their newborn - or even adopted child as it pertains to FMLA.
     
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    Absolutely horrible decision.  Families already financially struggle in the Boston area and as a result there are so fewer children.  Kiss the next generation's population good bye..  But big business will be happy.  Maybe they can create care-free babies as a business..
     
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    What bothers me most about this is the fact that a business can promise more than eight weeks but there's nothing to hold them to that.  And expecting the average worker to be able to afford a lawyer and to wait years for a suit to be settled is unrealistic.  There is nothing now to make businesses follow the rules.  Except for the occasional union. 

    And there's no such thing as doing the right thing any more.  If businesses can get away with breaking the law they will.
     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave

    I think the fact that almost every other country in the world feels that mothers should spend more than 8 weeks WITH PAY caring for their newborns speaks to how the US is a totally profit and business driven country, with a lot of contempt for mothers and babies. A disgraceful ruling.
     
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    This continues to be a significant area of defecit for the US. Many countries offer a parent (as in either parent) a year to be with their new child, in some cases with pay. We should be able to do better than 8 weeks of unpaid leave for mom. I took "paternity leave" for three months after my wife finished hers. It was a major financial strain as my leave was totally unpaid. Dads get no love on this issue.
     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    disgusting. obviously decided by people who either never had babies- or have forgotten how  demanding, exhausting and potentially traumatic it can be physically, not to mention mentally and emotionally. You need 8 weeks of rest alone and don't get any, it would be very difficult to go right back to work after just 8 weeks.  If they can't keep that particular job open can they at least hold a different position?  The US is notoriously tough on new mothers and new families compared to European countries which I've been told are much more enlightened.  This is just one of many examples of backwards thinking.
     
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    Who do they think they are that they can arbitrarily make that kind of a decision...especially the "Male Judges"
     
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    In no way is eight weeks enough.  The US is so far behind other countries when it comes to children and childcare.  Mothers/fathers should have a year of time.  It's terrible that children seem to be considered objects like a dog or cat, farm them off to daycare.  I would think that there would be a way to pay the mothers for 8 weeks, 6 months would be better, and let them take up to a year off.  I can't understand why it's so wonderful to have a stranger care for your child.  They don't love your child as a parent does (in the majority of cases) and judging from what my daughter (who was in the day care/preschool environment for several years) has said, no matter what the quality of daycare, the providers can say really mean things to your children.  Not something I would want for my kids.  Dreadful decision!!
     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    Wow, some people here really are missing the point.

    Small and large businesses alike are private property and are under no obligation to pay new moms to stay at home a raise a newborn.  If you want these types of entitlements, please move to Europe. 

    You think because America doesnt offer stipends for new parents our great nation is "backwards"?  Who would pay for this?  Oops, didnt think of that, did you.

    One of the great thing about our country is that you can still be left alone to some degree, and keep most of what you earn.  Dont agree?  Look at the taxes in Europe.  Taking 60-75% of your paycheck for redistribution?  That's backwards.

    I am working two jobs now to prepare for our first in February.  I'd be happier with 12 weeks, but if the law says 8 weeks, so be it. 

     
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    You cannot compare our system to that of the European countries. While you are all correct that they get 6-18 months of mostly paid maternity and paternity leave, they live in a socialist society where the government takes almost all of their money and is involved in almost every aspect of their entire lives. You may think that's the way to go, but that's another discussion entirely.

    All that said, I think that reducing the UNPAID leave from 12 to 8 weeks is ridiculous. It is not that much of a burden on a business to allow a new mother (and/or father) to take 3-4 months off unpaid, especially when they are already dealing with a 2 month absence.

    Very strange decision from this ultra-liberal court.
     
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    Other western, civilized/industrialized nations give their new mothers a YEAR's PAID LEAVE after having a baby.  France will send someone to your home to help you with your laundry and housework, so you can spend more time with your baby!  And we blather on and on about how we care SO MUCH about our children and families.  In reality, we don't give a damn about families, kids and especially women.  WE DON'T CARE.  Corporate America is reporting record profits but they just can't afford to help women and children.  Disgusting and shameful.
     
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    My thoughts are skewed by personal experience. A woman got hired to replace an engineer in my group.  After the 2 week training period she announced she was pregnant (of course that didn't come up during the interview process).  She took her leave of however long, seemed like 3 months or so.  She came back and 2 weeks later, quit. During the whole of her time here she basically did nothing.  We hired her as we needed help with the workload, none of us got any help and after she used the Company for their benefits, she left. That was 4 months of us working our butts off, not getting the help we thought we were getting, and then getting ditched.  The company is now wary of hiring another woman for the risk of getting screwed over again.  Keep the maternity leave low, and make better day-care at work options.  How about that?

     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    Last night Fox news ran a story on how the Europeans all enjoy at least a month off in the summer, as they value their time away from work.  This story on capping maternity leave is another reminder of how the US worker is treated like a donkey.   All you mothers are required back at work so that your government can start wars in far away lands and subsidize foreigners who shouldn't be here at all.  Wait until this country goes broke because it can't meet it obligations.  Your newborns will be feeling that pinch in twenty years.
     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    These are private enterprises that should be able to staff up and down at will adhering only to EEOC Race, Color, Gender, Religion, and National Origin guidelines.

    This is a perk that, like employer provided private health insurance, somehow has gotten codified as a timeless institution etched in stone rather than a reason to take a job somewhere over another place.

    We've managed to create a superclass of aristocrats that reproduce, come and go guaranteed as they please, attended, waited on and covered by a permanent underclass of part time employed.
     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    i'm not a woman, but this still seems rather insulting. 8 weeks? So if for some reason if your a single mom your suppose to put your two month old in day care? i wouldn't be comfortbale with that. As for the 'businesses are designed to make money' crowd....to each his own i guess.
     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    It's obscene that women get ANY unpaid leave.  Why should a company be forced to keep a person's job for those eight weeks?  It's unfair to everyone else who must share the burden of the "absent" worker.  Having a child is something the woman CHOOSES to do, so why should the businesses and everyone else be forced to cater to them?  Outrageous.
     
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    I would like to ask Judge Spina how easy it is for him to pump in his employer's mother room, and how he will find a daycare that will accept an 8 week baby, because most dont.  At 8 weeks, most babies are not sleeping well at night well. How is that working for him?  There need to be more women and mothers in gov. and law. End of story.
     
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    I only had 8 weeks when I had my daugher - who is only 23 and it was not enough time - I feel bad for the Mom's out there who are forced to go back to work in 8 weeks the ruling stinks!!  BTW do Men get 8 weeks too???
     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    Way to short a period of time.
     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    Then why do all the European countries have among the lowest birth rates in the world???  If you exclude Middle eastern immigrants to Europe, the white European birth rate is half that of the US.
     
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    Re: SJC caps unpaid maternity leave at 8 weeks

    Shameful.  Once again money and work are valued higher and women and families are under the bus.  The good old 'American Way.'  Fetuses, of even lesser legal value, can be seen in the rear-view mirror.  Do these judges even have children, or did they have to become men too, in order to write these Spartan laws?  PS, does anyone breastfeed children anymore, or do we hand that over to the corporations too?  Is anything sacred anymore in the Commonwealth besides sports? o tempora, o mores!
     

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