Best town for your money?

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from esmith9256. Show esmith9256's posts

    Best town for your money?

    Waltham is one of the best deals in relation to its neighbors. Check out zillow by zip codes, the waltham zips are 200k lower than their neighbors. It is perfect for the commute to Boston or Cambridge. You can hop on 95 easily to visit relatives to the north or south of the city. It has a huge tax base that will keep property taxes low. You get at least a little culture with Moody St and it is home to two excellent schools in Brandeis and Bentley.
     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from bostonvlad. Show bostonvlad's posts

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    "Waltham is one of the best deals in relation to its neighbors"

    I've lived there for 5 years. Neighbors don't make Watham any better. It's still a blue collar town. Moody street is nice but that's about it. Taxes are getting higer as big business move out. IMHO of course

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from antigravity. Show antigravity's posts

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    "You get at least a little culture with Moody St and it is home to two excellent schools in Brandeis and Bentley."

    You also get a public school system that is average at best. Not a great selling point for families. MCAS results for third graders are pretty sad.

    http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/mcas/scores07/results/waltham.htm


     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from esmith9256. Show esmith9256's posts

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    We're talking about the best deal for the money here, right? Well, you can trumpet Newton or Weston MCAS scores (Waltham's neighbors, mind you), and then you can spend an extra 50%+ on your house and much higher property taxes. Businesses leaving Waltham? There was a Globe article not too long ago about office space construction in Waltham over the next 5-10 years that was somewhere in the neighborhood of a million square ft or so (no, I don't have the link handy). Bottom line is that you can cut down any town based on whatever criteria you believe is most important to you. Pick your poison - long commute, inaccessible from the north or south of city, school system, tax base, property taxes, boring place to live. If you're looking for a bargain, you have to make concessions. Especially in this market.
     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from bostonvlad. Show bostonvlad's posts

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    We're talking about the best deal for the money here, right? Well, you can trumpet -->Newton--> or Weston MCAS scores (-->-->Waltham-->-->'s neighbors, mind you), and then you can spend an extra 50%+ on your house and much higher property taxes-->-->At the end of the day you get what you paid for-->-->"There was a Globe article not too long ago about office space construction in Waltham over the next 5-10 years that was somewhere in the neighborhood of a million square ft or so (no, I don't have the link handy)."-->-->Tell it to the Polaroid, Microsoft, Oracle, and others...all gone from -->-->Waltham-->--> or went for bankrupt. Town has lost a huge chunk of money. Guess where they are going to get it from-->-->ôBottom line is that you can cut down any town based on whatever criteria you believe is most important to youö-->-->--> -->Exactly, thus you cannot objectively answer the topicÆs question

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from antigravity. Show antigravity's posts

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    So is Lawrence a "great deal" because it's cheaper than neighboring Andover? I'm just tyring to follow your logic.

    And as far as "concessions" go, no self-respecting parent would choose a "shorter commute" and the "culture of Moody St." over their child's education.

    "Sure, my kid's destined to become a ditch-digger, but the upside is I live only a block away from the Watch City Brewery. It's all good!!!"

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from esmith9256. Show esmith9256's posts

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    Exactly, thus you cannot objectively answer the topicÆs question

    Umm, noone can, which would include you. Your input to the OP's question has strictly been to refute me. Why don't you make some (subjective) suggestions yourself?

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from esmith9256. Show esmith9256's posts

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    So is Lawrence a "great deal" because it's cheaper than neighboring Andover? I'm just tyring to follow your logic.

    Come on now, that's just dumb. Waltham is not Lawrence. It's not just "my logic". Real Estate speculation happens all of the time, and finding undervalued neighborhoods near much more wealthy areas is commonplace.

    And as far as "concessions" go, no self-respecting parent would choosea "shorter commute" and the "culture of Moody St." over their child'seducation.

    Waltham is in the middle of the MCAS scores. The "culture" is merely added value, more important to some than others. Are you suggesting that all self-respecting parents pack up and move if their child is not enrolled in a school in the top 25%tile? And there are many, many parents who have chosen a shorter commute to provide better quality of life for their children. Maybe if you get a REALLY REALLY good school, they can do all the parenting for you! That is what teachers do anyway, right - act as parents? Because while you're hopping on the train for your 90+ minute commute from Grafton to Boston for your 12 hour+ work day, you'll have plenty of time to think about all of the things you COULD have been doing with your children after work.
     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from bostonvlad. Show bostonvlad's posts

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    "input to the OP's question has strictly been to refute me"

    No, I just expressed my subjective opinion. That's all

    Why don't you make some (subjective) suggestions yourself?

    I think, just like in the most cases, money is the best criteria. Pick a town with the high resident median income and chances are it'd be the great town. Vice versa also applies

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from antigravity. Show antigravity's posts

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    "They could buy a home in a community with high taxes, high prices, and high MCAS scores. Or, buy into a "lesser" town save a few hundred thousand in mortgage payments over the years and send their kids to a solid private school."

    To me, it's a no-brainer. You're much better off with the expensive home in the great public school system. The expensive home is an appreciating asset (present economic environment excluded), so the money you're funneling into the mortgage is "working for you," building equity and generating wealth. The money you spend on private school tuition does not "work for you." Like any other bill, that money's gone, non-recoupable, kiss it goodbye.

    This has been my contention for ages. I've yet to hear a persuasive argument for the other side: "lesser town, cheaper home, private school." Although, if there is one, I'm eager to hear it.

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from antigravity. Show antigravity's posts

    Best town for your money?

    Yup...when I think "fanciness," I think Brockton!

    Actually, I prefer the high crime, poor schools, rampant prostitution, poverty, drugs and slums of Lynn over those of Brockton. But to each his own.

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from antigravity. Show antigravity's posts

    Best town for your money?

    Standing Moon, nice to meet you.

    You make a great point. The original poster is only in the process of starting a family, so it matters little (other than property values) how good the schools are in the town they choose to purchase their first home. The quality of education won't come into play until the child is school age, in five or six years. And by then, hopefully they've saved enough, built up enough equity, and/or have better paying gigs so they can trade-up to a better community.

    Frankly, that's how my wife and I started. Seven years ago, our first purchase was a two-family in Watertown. Three years later, we bought another two-family in Arlington. Now, our children are nearing school-age, so we're actively looking at SF homes in Lexington.

    Take care.

     
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    I live in Waltham and think their education is great. Low MCAS scores doesn't mean that the school isn't good it means that there is a very diverse student body. Try taking an MCAS test if english isn't your first language.

    Waltham has always been at the top of per spending pupil and has very small classes. My kids have excellent teachers, small classes, innovative programs and I'm more than pleased with their education. They score extremely well on the MCAS tests. We have friends in Wellesley, Bedford, Lexington and my kids are learning the same things they are and we have short commutes and great culture to boot.

    Yes, if you want to a lily white class and thus high MCAS, you shouldn't live in Waltham. I hope people are considering more than just MCAS when they pick a town to live in. That is kind of sad.

     
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    Best town for your money?

    Derry, NH. Has everything you need, conveinent, homes are priced more realistic than around Boston. The school system is above average.You actually have a yard. Be ready for high taxes though.
     
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    There will always be people who choose to send their children to a private school, regardless of how good/bad the public schools in their town are. Who sends their children to Belmont Hill, Thayer, BBN, etc? Usually people who can afford to live in towns like Weston. Or perhaps a family that makes a decision to buy less home or live in a "lesser" town so they can afford the tuition. People have different priorities so it's not completely crazy to think some are willing to sacrifice real estate-wise to further their children's education.

     
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    Best town for your money?

    Groton, MA. Beautiful, wealthy, convenient to Boston. Great for raising kids. However, taxes are high. But you get what you pay for.
     
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    We looked around when we where going to buy a house. But where turned off by the number of low lifes walking around with wife beater shirts and low saggy blue jean, you forgot to mention Derry most famous former resident Pamela Smart.

     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from kbiresearch. Show kbiresearch's posts

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    Lincoln??? Get real. Unaffordable. Of 49 listings just found on Boston.com, only 5 are listed below $600k. And of those 5, at least 2 are openly advertised as teardowns, the ad talks about them being purchased as "land to build. "

    Sure, it's one of the great towns to live in, great schools, but value for the money? I don't think so. This isn't a really easy question to answer.

     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from noslen. Show noslen's posts

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    If people are so MCAS driven, can anyone put up a graph showing average high school mcas scores versus avg price of home in each town? I know there's always the house right by rte 9 in newton, but it would be interesting to see how the graph will look like
     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from esmith9256. Show esmith9256's posts

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    In addition to language barriers, it would be interesting to see a comparison of MCAS scores to education level of parents in each town. MCAS can potentially reflect genetics more than the quality of education as well.
     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from bostonvlad. Show bostonvlad's posts

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    "And about genetic intelligence...in a lot of wealthy towns, the kids are a lot less smart than their high-powered parents (to generalize, usually the dad) because of "trophy wife syndrome"...if you marry a ditz, your kids will get to share those genes. Anyway, education matters a lot more than smarts - if you're smart and don't learn anything, you're worse off than someone with a lower IQ who has been stretched to their full potential."That's an interesting observation. I must point out there are known cases when people are attractive and smart at the same time. You've got to have smarts to become a ôtrophy wifeö, the dumb ones do the pole dancing and porn movies. I think smarts are equally important as education. Also, people who donÆt like the ôwealthyö towns are simply canÆt afford to live there (the other guys can be quite snobbish too)-->-->

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from noslen. Show noslen's posts

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    Not all the parents are busy and i assume you mean at work. I truly envy the families who can afford to have one parent stay home and take care of their children.
     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from uspatrio1. Show uspatrio1's posts

    Best town for your money?

    Love the Chateau!

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from esmith9256. Show esmith9256's posts

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    Whatdoes genetics have to do with parents' education levels?... Or are youreferring to some cultures seem more attuned to the importance ofeducation than others? That has nothing to do with genetics, either.

    What's the saying about apples not falling far from the tree? I'm talking about genetics and kids' education levels. MCAS may be higher just because the kids are smarter. It may have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the schools or teachers.
     
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    Best town for your money?

    Charlestown

     
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