2010-2011 Lines
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2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/10/2010 4:43 PM EDT
I haven't seen most of our prospects play, so I don't have any knowledge of who might make the team next year. But for those of you that attended development camp, could you give a prediction of what the lines might be based on the prospects you saw? -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/11/2010 10:10 AM EDT
lucuc savy horton
strum berg reechi
wheel krejci seguin
cambell palle thornton
send Ryder in Prov. and after sturm comes back.
Chara Boychuk
Stu Seinberg
hunwick fernece -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/11/2010 3:22 PM EDT
SEGUIN, IMO, will be the only pospect to start the season in the NHL.
There are no other openings on the Boston roster, with the possible exception of LW.
With STURM's injury, and the bruins, perhaps not re-signing WHEELER, there could be an opening, but there are not any LW prospects NHL ready.
They could maybe shift JOE COLBORNE from center, and bring him in.
However, I expect WHEELER to be re-signed shortly, to a 1 yr deal, for about 2M. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/11/2010 4:18 PM EDT
Don't even go there. Fluto says Savard is gone because CHIA has found a dynamic center in Seguin. If we agree then the lines could be Wheeler/Kreji/Horton; Lucic/Seguin/[ like to put in McKnight but he needs some beef] ; Caron/Bergie/Recchi; Paille /Campbell/Thornton. Might keep Ryder and put him on Seguin's right side and embarass him to keep up. Caron's time with Bergie can prepare for added duties when Sturm returns. Savvy's trade might allow for adding a scoring wing if Ryder continues to fail. Colborne needs AHL experience, but, he's big enough and appears to be smart enough to progress quickly. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/11/2010 4:30 PM EDT
In Response to Re: 2010-2011 Lines:lucuc savy horton strum berg reechi wheel krejci seguin cambell palle thornton send Ryder in Prov. and after sturm comes back. Chara Boychuk Stu Seinberg hunwick fernece
Posted by K435
lucuc? strum? reechi? palle? Seinberg? fernece?
I understand typos, but your spelling is horrible -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/11/2010 5:34 PM EDT
In Response to Re: 2010-2011 Lines:Don't even go there. Fluto says Savard is gone because CHIA has found a dynamic center in Seguin. If we agree then the lines could be Wheeler/Kreji/Horton; Lucic/Seguin/[ like to put in McKnight but he needs some beef] ; Caron/Bergie/Recchi; Paille /Campbell/Thornton. Might keep Ryder and put him on Seguin's right side and embarass him to keep up. Caron's time with Bergie can prepare for added duties when Sturm returns. Savvy's trade might allow for adding a scoring wing if Ryder continues to fail. Colborne needs AHL experience, but, he's big enough and appears to be smart enough to progress quickly.
Posted by Bogie6
Don't pay any attention to what Fluto says.
Savard is just his latest crusade to get out of town. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/11/2010 10:40 PM EDT
Lucic Savard Horton
Recchi Bergeron Seguin
Wheeler Krejci Ryder
Paille Campbell Thornton
Chara Boychuk
Seidenberg Stuart
Ference Hunwick
If Sturm comes back healthy trade Ryder and fill in Sturm on Krejci/Wheeler line. If Wheeler doesnt re-sign I think we can still grab Satan for cheap cash (1 or 1.5mil) and put him on Krejci/Ryder line. First call ups during injuries will be Colburn, Reich, Knight, McQuaid or Alexandrov depending on who is injury is.
Just my opinion. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/11/2010 11:27 PM EDT
At a guess:
Lucic Savard Horton
Sturm - Bergeron - Seguin
Wheeler - Krejci - Ryder/Recchi
Paille Campbell Thornton
Suave, Marshand as the extra forward.
Chara Seidenberg
Stuart Boychuck
Ference Hunwick
McQuaid, Penner, Alexandrov will duke it out for the #7 spot, unless someone is traded.
In Response to 2010-2011 Lines:I haven't seen most of our prospects play, so I don't have any knowledge of who might make the team next year. But for those of you that attended development camp, could you give a prediction of what the lines might be based on the prospects you saw?
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Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 2:54 AM EDT
In Response to Re: 2010-2011 Lines:In Response to Re: 2010-2011 Lines : lucuc? strum? reechi? palle? Seinberg? fernece? I understand typos, but your spelling is horrible
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Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 3:16 AM EDT
Lucic Savard Horton
Seguin Krejci Ryder
Wheeler Bergeron Recchi
Paille Campbell Thornton
Chara Seidenberg
Ference Boychuk
Hunwick Stuart
PP1
Wheeler Savard Horton
Chara Bergeron
PP2
Lucic Krejci Recchi
Seguin Seidenberg -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 7:19 AM EDT
I like the looks of bim09 starting line up except:
(1) PP1 Chara and Boychuk
(2) PP1 Bergeron and Siedenberg and rechhi/seguin can alternate
(3) PK1 Paille Bergeron Wheels Chara Ference
(4) PK2 Seguin Campbell Rechhi Stuart Siedenberg
I will be concerned how Ryder( it would be nice if we trade ryder and give a young player some NHL time) and Hunwick( i still have 50% faith with him) are going to rebound this season. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 1:14 PM EDT
Since I think that Ryder will be in the minors (unless Savard is dealt), I think it will be:
Lucic-Savvy-Horton
Wheeler-Krejci-Seguin
Recchi-Begeron-CaronPaille-Campbell-Thornton
Do I think that Caron is ready to be on the 3rd line? No. Do I think that the cap issues will force the Bruins to put him there? Yes. Unless of course, they move Thomas or Savard and free up the salary to allow Ryder to stay up at $4 mil/year. Then, Ryder takes Caron's spot on the 3rd line. I'd prefer to give Colborne and Sauve some seasoning in Providence and Marchand is a 4th line depth fill-in. Sturm pushes the biggest slacker out in December. The defense...obvious...redundant...
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Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 1:30 PM EDT
In Response to Re: 2010-2011 Lines:how anyone can think that seguin wont be on recchi's line is just beyond me
Posted by pbergeron37
Its because Bergeron and Recchi are going to be together and some want to see Seguin with a scorer.
Krejci, in my opinion, has a better scoring touch than Bergeron and Recchi, so alot of people like the concept of Seguin and Krejci on the same line. 2 playmakers and 2 scorers (since they can do both) to give d's headaches.
Krejci to seguin, to krejci, to seguin, to krejci , to seguin (as defenses chase and chase and chase) -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 1:46 PM EDT
In Response to Re: 2010-2011 Lines:I understand that, but the most important thing to me from this season is that he learns how to play in his own zone (bergeron would be a pretty good guy to learn from, and he also has shown the best scoring touch among the centers, but its pretty obvious that the concussion set him back, maybe with a seguin, he finds that 30+ goal touch again) and that he learns how to deal with the lifestyle of being a professional hockey player in a hockey market. Seguin seems very mature to me, but I think mentally, Recchi would be such a tremendous help to him in that area. I don't necessarily want to maximize Seguin's point totals, I hope that he just maximizes what he takes out of the year in terms of development and routine.
Posted by pbergeron37
I think both sides have good points. We're probably going to get the best of both worlds anyways (for better or for worse). With injuries, lineup juggling.... I can almost guarantee that if Seguin plays 82 games at the nhl level, it will not all be with the same center. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 2:12 PM EDT
pb37 - That's probably the right attitude to take, but it's not necessary for Recchi to be on the same line as Seguin to mentor him on life as a pro. If you want him to be in Seguin's ear on the bench, well, maybe - they can talk about situations immediately after shifts that way. You do have to balance development with what he brings to the team, though; if that's not at least part of the equation, he should be in Plymouth. And as much as you - or the coach, or the GM, or the President - may not be concerned with big numbers, you know Seguin is. What's better for his development? The confidence of putting up respectable numbers as an 18 year old and knowing you be an impact player at this level, or playing on the shut-down line and learning to play a two-way game? Granted, Bergeron and Recchi aren't Paille and Campbell, so he'll get points on their wing, but you can just as easily say that he'll learn the two way game because the system will force him to learn.
Personally, I can picture real chemistry between Krejci and Seguin. And I think I'd keep him away from a shut-down role as a rookie, just as you'd be keeping him away from the pivot. Next year, if Savard, Krejci, and Bergeron are still in black and gold, then I put him at C with Bergeron on one wing and a veteran on the other. Bergeron would take key face-offs and provide some defensive conscience so that Seguin could learn that role with a safety net. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 2:14 PM EDT
...oh, and the idea of Bergeron's goal total increasing if he has a creative passer like Seguin on his left? I hadn't really thought of that, but it could happen. Interesting.... -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 2:23 PM EDT
In Response to Re: 2010-2011 Lines:I like the looks of bim09 starting line up except: (1) PP1 Chara and Boychuk (2) PP1 Bergeron and Siedenberg and rechhi/seguin can alternate (3) PK1 Paille Bergeron Wheels Chara Ference (4) PK2 Seguin Campbell Rechhi Stuart Siedenberg I will be concerned how Ryder( it would be nice if we trade ryder and give a young player some NHL time) and Hunwick( i still have 50% faith with him) are going to rebound this season .
Posted by Canbostondoit
LOL-I really like our PK lines hopefully the opposition and refs don't notice too many men, unless of course you have pulled the goalie.LLLLLLLLLLOLLLLL -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 3:19 PM EDT
Lucic - Savard - Horton
Wheeler - Krejci - Caron
Recchi - Bergeron - Seguin
Paille - Campbell - Thornton
Marchand, Suave
Chara - Seidenberg
Stuart - Boychuk
Hunwick - Ference
McQuaid
Rask
Thomas(?)
I don't think Caron belongs there, but I think after we can bury Ryder somehow he'll end up on 2nd line until Sturm comes back, then he either moves to a different line or pres box duty. Marchand gives us flexibility as he can play 3rd and 4th line, and 2nd line if we're lucky. Suave gives us just a little bit of extra scoring depth, provided he can impress in the preseason. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 4:12 PM EDT
You won't see Marchand, Sauve, or Caron in the press box this year. There's no good reason to keep them there. If they're in the press box, they count against the salary cap because they are roster players whether they dress or not. Given that CJ likes to carry a spare-part on the blueline, look for McQuaid to play the role Boychuk played last year. All three of the forwards can go to Providence and back without clearing waivers. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 4:37 PM EDT
OK, why not - here's a best guess as of July 12th, with one or two guesses as to things that I anticipate:
Wheeler-Savard-Horton
Lucic-Krejci-Seguin
Marchand-Bergeron-Recchi
Paille-Campbell-Thornton
Chara-Seidenberg
Stuart-Boychuk
Ference-McQuaid
Rask
Thomas
With Horton on the right, Julien looks for more speed out of Wheeler on the left. Krejci and Lucic look for the chemistry of the playoffs, and find Seguin an even better fit than Satan was.
Savard's unwillingness to go anywhere but Ontario and Tim Thomas's injury push Chiarelli to plan B. Wheeler signs for roughly $2M; McQuaid takes $700K; Ryder is waived and claimed by the Islanders. Hunwick is dealt for an NCAA defenseman. Seguin is signed (obviously). Campbell comes in at under $1M. Bruins add $4.6M in salary to the current numbers on CapGeek, subtract $5.45M, leaving a little over $2.5M in buffer against the cap. They'll also save some money with Sturm on LTIR. They'll probably use up to $875K (Penner's salary) to carry a spare defenseman - maybe not Penner but whoever looks close, so Penner, Bodnarchuk, Bartkowski. I think they really like the result of carrying Boychuk with the team for the entire year and letting him complete his development. Sturm's return will mean a reassessment of Marchand. If the team is playing well, and Marchand is producing in some measure - responsible and looks like he can score between 13-18 - Sturm will have "the talk" with Chiarelli. That is: waive your NTC or I'll have to send you down. I'll find you a good home. Alternatively, they may carry both guys as Marco is included in CapGeek's numbers. Then it's one F and one D in the box. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 5:04 PM EDT
In Response to Re: 2010-2011 Lines:I like the looks of bim09 starting line up except: (1) PP1 Chara and Boychuk (2) PP1 Bergeron and Siedenberg and rechhi/seguin can alternate (3) PK1 Paille Bergeron Wheels Chara Ference (4) PK2 Seguin Campbell Rechhi Stuart Siedenberg I will be concerned how Ryder( it would be nice if we trade ryder and give a young player some NHL time) and Hunwick( i still have 50% faith with him) are going to rebound this season .
Posted by Canbostondoit
you do realize that there are only 4 guys on the pk right? -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 5:47 PM EDT
Interesting concept. My one problem in having Seguin and Recchi on the same line is Seguin's speed. Rex is a solid pro, but, during the season he has some problems with constant speed. I actually think that pre-season will be a shakedown for all but the Paille/Campbell/Thornton line. Recchi fits on Bergie's right wing, so I'd look for Caron or Marchand , or even Ryder to fill out that line until and if Sturm returns. I include Ryder because the other six forwards should be Lucic/Wheeler/Kreji/Savard/Seguin/Horton. Pre-season chemistry should show who goes where. Even with 6 D under contract, the mix is not smooth since Chara/Hunwick/Ference/Stuart are all used to the left side, with only Seidenberg and Boychuck comfortable on the right side. Where mighr AAron Ward be?? plus McQuaid is also a right side D. I do not think the dust has settled -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 6:10 PM EDT
Opening night:Wheeler -- Krejci -- HortonLucic -- Bergeron -- Caron/RyderReturn for Savard* -- Seguin -- RecchiPaille -- Campbell -- ThorntonMarchand* Savard will be moved for two grinder type players and a mid round pick.Chara -- SeidenbergStuart -- BoychukFerence -- Return for Savard*Hunwick*See aboveRaskThomas** Timmy will rebound. Ultra-competitive guy always plays well when people doubt him. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 6:25 PM EDT
Lucic Savard Horton
Seguin Krejci Ryder
Wheeler Bergeron Recchi
Paille Campbell Thornton
Chara Boychuk
Mara* Seidenberg
McQuaid Stuart
*If Ryder gets picked up on re-entry waivers then Ference stays and McQuaid is moved back to 7th Dman no Paul Mara signed on the cheap. Demitra or Caron play with Seguin and Krejci if someone takes a chance on Michael. -
Re: 2010-2011 Lines
posted at 7/12/2010 10:09 PM EDT
campbell hasnt even been signed. wheeler has gone for arbitration.
honestly...its too bad Satan isnt coming back and is going back to the homeland.
if both sign, i see it like this (after sturm is back)
Seguin Savvy Horton
Recchi Bergy Sturm
Wheeler Krejci Ryder
Lucic Campbell Pialle
Thornton/Marchand (extras)
If wheeler nor campbell sign. then i see this
Lucic Savvy Ryder
Recchi Bergy Horton
Sturm Krejci Pialle
Thornton Seguin Marchand
In order for Seguin to grow, he needs to play with a bender like thornton, and another upcoming prospect. he needs to carry a line and build confience. Or...be carried by savard. either one.