Bruins draftees flopping!

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    [QUOTE]Chiarellis first draft pick in 2006 #5 overall Phil Kessel, he is a pretty darn good player, where does he play now?
    Posted by flossy8[/QUOTE]


    He wanted too much money that the Bruins didn't have because he is really good.  So, for this sake of this argument, great draft pick.
     
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    [QUOTE]Wheeler was drafted by Phoenix, I KNEW that..ok, I was mistaken including him in that list..But geez, Look at Lashoff- GONE, he was what # 7 ? Samsonov- gone- #8 I believe..If the draft is such a crapshoot, why give up proven players for picks? and size wise..we draft small, marchand,sobotka,hamill, what do they expect?
    Posted by anthony3063[/QUOTE] The bruins traded samsonov to edmonton and turned that second round pick into a guy named LUCIC, is your foot bleeding yet?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bruins draftees flopping! : He wanted too much money that the Bruins didn't have because he is really good.  So, for this sake of this argument, great draft pick.
    Posted by IceGoalie3014[/QUOTE]

    The Bruins didnt have the money because of all the buyouts and chiarellis terrible habit of overpaying players by a $1M or so a year see: Chara,Thomas,Sturm,Morris,Wideman etc
     
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    Golly, flossy, you're right.  Chara would have signed with one of the worst teams in the NHL on the first day of free agency for the same money Ottawa had offered months earlier!  The Vezina winner would forego his first shot at a free agent pay day for second tier goalie cash!  Same logic must apply to the other guys, right?  Guys love being nickeled and dimed - really builds the organization's rep.  You go girl.
     
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    [QUOTE]Golly, flossy, you're right.  Chara would have signed with one of the worst teams in the NHL on the first day of free agency for the same money Ottawa had offered months earlier!  The Vezina winner would forego his first shot at a free agent pay day for second tier goalie cash!  Same logic must apply to the other guys, right?  Guys love being nickeled and dimed - really builds the organization's rep.  You go girl.
    Posted by Bookboy007[/QUOTE]

    Hey bookworm, Rask is going to be the #1 goalie by the end of this season or the beginning of next. You're then going to have 35 going on 36 year old backup goaltender making $5million a year sitting on the bench. That is what we call a good old fashioned albatross

    As far as Chara goes the guy makes a whopping $7.5 million a year, he may have earned the Norris last year but the guy was basically stealing money for the first 2 years he was here, even with the Norris he is not a 7.5 million player

    The simple point is Chiarelli is overpaying for alot of these guys and in the cap era thats deadly so in short wake up and get a clue bookworm
     
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    [QUOTE]what a sorry excuse for a management team we have! we just got 3 draft picks for Kessel which will probably amount to nothing since they have NO CLUE how to draft.. Mike Oconnell and company drafted better (and that is not saying much) than these clowns.. Hamill- too small? hell- did they not know this at draft time? Jumbo Joe Colburne is not panning out.. so many drafts so few real players.. its called Bruins
    Posted by anthony3063[/QUOTE]

    Do you realize how long it takes for an 17-18-19 yrd old KID to mature enough to crack even an AHL lineup?  Lucic is a freak, hes the exception not the rule.  You have to give these picks 3 to 4 years to pan out.   Colburne is a college, you realize that right?  He's 19 yrs old.

    I suppose you think Cam Neely is awful too right?  You know he is one of the people who decide which players they draft?
     
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    I for one am excited about Colborne all you keep hearing is how fast he is progressing so hopefully he will be a keeper
     
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    Yeah, sorry floss, I really need to rethink that!  Much better to have done nothing the year they signed Chara 'cause hey, finalists for the Norris are stealing money if they don't win it.  Oh, and you should always let a vezina winner go and trust that an unproven rookie will be ready to play the most important position on the team in two years.  That's just good planning!  So what if it means you throw the rook to the wolves for a year, maybe ruin his confidence, and gut your plan?!  After all, you won't have any options at all to deal with a situation where you have two #1 goalies.

    You don't get players from a vending machine.  If you need a #1 defenseman to anchor your team, you have to decide what's worse: sign the guy and maybe you have to overpay, or don't sign the guy and hope you don't continue to be one of the worst teams in the league.  If you have a goalie who's at the top of the league in every stats category, you can sign him before someone else puts a huge offer in his hands or you can take a chance on a rookie to save some money.  I know what these boards would look like if the Bruins low-balled Thomas, missed out on top free agents because they wouldn't pay a premium, so even as a business decision, sometimes you have to invest and hope the return is worth it.
     
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    IV Interesting! This proves second round picks can be great playersn Response to Re: Bruins draftees flopping!:
    [QUOTE]Yep the Bruins can't Draft at all and you're dissing Colborne he's 20 and hasn't grown into his 6' 5" frame yet. Boston doesn't need to rush him with all the talent they already have. Baseless sensless drabble please keep them coming.  Patrice Bergeron 2003 NHL Entry Draft Round: 2nd  (45th overall) Milan Lucic      2006 NHL Entry Draft Round: 2nd  (50th overall)  David Krejci     2004 NHL Entry Draft Round: 2nd  (63rd overall) Matt Hunwick     2004 NHL Entry Draft Round: 7th  (224th overall) Vladimir Sobotka 2005 NHL Entry Draft Round: 4th  (106th overall) Byron Bitz       2003 NHL Entry Draft Round: 4th  (107th overall)
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Bruins draftees flopping! : Do you realize how long it takes for an 17-18-19 yrd old KID to mature enough to crack even an AHL lineup?  Lucic is a freak, hes the exception not the rule.  You have to give these picks 3 to 4 years to pan out.   Colburne is a college, you realize that right?  He's 19 yrs old. I suppose you think Cam Neely is awful too right?  You know he is one of the people who decide which players they draft?
    Posted by cieli01[/QUOTE]

    I agree 100%

    Maybe we can see a return on Kessel sometime during the 2014-15 season!
     
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    You are over reacting at best.

    In a deep team, players are brought along slow. Colburne was going back to college and everyone knew it. Hamill has damned good vision, and passes well. He's also been solid defensively. He's not going to be Bobby Ryan or TJ Oshie but he could equal Krejci which is no bad thing.

    And who do you expect the current crop to be pushing out of their roster spots?
    Fata: Career AHL guy.
    McQuaid: Good defensively, good fighter... poor mans Stuart.
    Marchand: Poor mans Kobasew, at best.
    Arniel: See your valid knocks on Hamill and my defenses.
    Sauve: Barely 19, has some wheels, but can't be assigned to the AHL so it's back to juniors.
    Alexanderov: This kid's the real deal, expect him to be a cross between the best of Ference and Wideman. He's still under contract to his Russian team. I expect that when the regular season starts next year, he'll be a part of the lineup.

    For the 2008 draft only 12 guys have even played 1 NHL game so far. 12. That's not even a full roster out of 210 guys.  Given the total lack of depth to the 2009 draft, I suspect the number who play in the NHL this year could be half of that and with a lower cumulative game total. The 2007 draft has seen 22 guys make it to the NHL for even one game so far.

    Had they been available then, three years ago Sauve, Arniel & Hamill are probably on the team opening night, today there is no need to risk injuring them when they haven't adjusted to the NHL speed or finished growing yet.

    Relax.

    www.hockeydb.com is your friend.



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    [QUOTE]what a sorry excuse for a management team we have! we just got 3 draft picks for Kessel which will probably amount to nothing since they have NO CLUE how to draft.. Mike Oconnell and company drafted better (and that is not saying much) than these clowns.. Hamill- too small? hell- did they not know this at draft time? Jumbo Joe Colburne is not panning out.. so many drafts so few real players.. its called Bruins
    Posted by anthony3063[/QUOTE]
     
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    Wheels is no slower than last season, and now he hits. Wheels will easily pass last years numbers if he stays healthy. Don't forget it's a contract year for him too.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bruins draftees flopping! : I dont get the way they 'think' or if they are capable of thinking..They are always looking to change players from what made them successful..hell, Hamill is small kid, naturally smaill, now they want him bigger, which like Wheeler, makes them naturally SLOWER..why bother drafting them ?
    Posted by anthony3063[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]Wheels is no slower than last season, and now he hits. Wheels will easily pass last years numbers if he stays healthy. Don't forget it's a contract year for him too. In Response to Re: Bruins draftees flopping! :
    Posted by bandgbleeder[/QUOTE]

    I am excited about wheeler, Size wise this kid is an absolute horse! 

    Word is he added like 20 lbs of muscle... lets hope it doesn't slow him down like it did Brandon Bochenski...
     
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    Immaturity = need for instant gratification.

    Anyone who calls Joe Colbourne a bust is clueless. Saw the kid at rookie camp this summer and he is a monster, but still growing into his body, barely out of his teens. The talent is there, but don't expect him for a while.

    As pointed out earlier, guys like Lucic and Crosby are the exceptions, not the rule. Drafting guys who take a while to develop is the way the NHL works, as they're drafting 18 to 19-year-olds, not (as in the NFL, NBA and often, MLB) college juniors and seniors. 
     
     
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    [QUOTE]Chiarellis first draft pick in 2006 #5 overall Phil Kessel, he is a pretty darn good player, where does he play now?
    Posted by flossy8[/QUOTE]

    Didnt he get traded to TO?

    lol wait til next year and 47+goals
     
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    flossy do you really think that Thomas would rather stay with the Bruins in a back up capacity than get traded and be a starter? use your head, he would wave his no trade in a heart beat and we would get a great price for him, probably a 1st rounder an a prospect
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bruins draftees flopping! : I dont get the way they 'think' or if they are capable of thinking..They are always looking to change players from what made them successful..hell, Hamill is small kid, naturally smaill, now they want him bigger, which like Wheeler, makes them naturally SLOWER..why bother drafting them ?
    Posted by anthony3063[/QUOTE]

    Developing your body does not make you naturally slower. If you pack on pounds of fat, that will make you slower - not properly developed muscle. You're  panicing over nothing.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bruins draftees flopping! : Didnt he get traded to TO? lol wait til next year and 47+goals
    Posted by BarfBagBilly[/QUOTE]

    yeah 47 goals in about 60 games, that's really doable with Toronto's lineup. Are they going to throw away the rest of their picks for a legit playmaker? Oops, probably not, Toronto has no cap space now.
     
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    Maybe everyone should chill. Ryan Getzlaf, who would be one of the top players on the B"s if he played here, was sent back to junior after wowing everyone in Anaheim. Next season? He was sent to the AHL. Result? Probably one of the best in the west. These guys take time and exhibition games often have less than credible NHL lineups to avoid injury and fatigue to their regulars. As a result, some players appear better than they would be in the context of regular season games. Its like..if you want to look thin..hang around fat people.
     
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    [QUOTE]flossy do you really think that Thomas would rather stay with the Bruins in a back up capacity than get traded and be a starter? use your head, he would wave his no trade in a heart beat and we would get a great price for him, probably a 1st rounder an a prospect
    Posted by dkrejci46[/QUOTE]

    dkrejci you sure are a dope, yes? Who would in thier right mind would trade for a 36-37 year old goaltender with a $5 million cap hit?!
     
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    Ok, I only read the 1st page of comments, but just couldn't wait to OWN you, so here it goes:
    Hamill is heavier than Krejci and 1 inch shorter. Krejci is a productive NHL'er, I'd say... Hamill just needs more muscle for his particular body type. He's not too small, just underdeveloped because he's young.
    We draft small, eh? Chairelli this year drafted 1player- 1 7th rounder named Ben Sexton- that was under 6 feet this year. This includes 6'2" Caron, and 6'3" MacDermid. Last year he drafted 6'5" Colborne (who's been a fantastic player at Denver and is still growing into his frame), and 6'3" Hutchinson. In his first draft, he drafted 6'3" Cross, 6'4" Reul, 6'2"Knackstedt, and 6'2" Goulet. He has NEVER drafted a player smaller than 5'11". Of these 5'11" guys, 2 of which are Hamill and Arniel: 2 guys who impressed this preseason.
    Samsonov was not a bust, and played for the Bruins for 7 years before being shipped off.

    Lashoff isn't a bust. He's going to be a productive NHL'er... he just wasn't going to crack our lineup anytime soon. SO we shipped him off and got Mark Recchi in return, who was extremely valuable to us last year and will be again this year.
    You don't know what you're talking about.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bruins draftees flopping! : dkrejci you sure are a dope, yes? Who would in thier right mind would trade for a 36-37 year old goaltender with a $5 million cap hit?!
    Posted by gcolez[/QUOTE]

    If he's still playing like a #1 goalie?  Anybody who needs a #1 goalie.  Oilers gave 36 yr. old Khabi 4 years at $3.75 this summer.  Chicago's paying more than $5M for Huet and he'll be 36 before that contract expires.  Brodeur will be 40 before his contract expires at more than $5M.  If you want to move a #1 goalie, you'll find a GM unhappy with his goaltending, guaranteed.  Will you get equivalent talent back?  No.  Might get a pick or a Soderberg - a high-end, high-risk prospect.  But you'd get rid of the cap hit.
     
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    [QUOTE]Ok, I only read the 1st page of comments, but just couldn't wait to OWN you, so here it goes: Hamill is heavier than Krejci and 1 inch shorter. Krejci is a productive NHL'er, I'd say... Hamill just needs more muscle for his particular body type. He's not too small, just underdeveloped because he's young. We draft small, eh? Chairelli this year drafted 1player- 1 7th rounder named Ben Sexton- that was under 6 feet this year. This includes 6'2" Caron, and 6'3" MacDermid. Last year he drafted 6'5" Colborne (who's been a fantastic player at Denver and is still growing into his frame), and 6'3" Hutchinson. In his first draft, he drafted 6'3" Cross, 6'4" Reul, 6'2"Knackstedt, and 6'2" Goulet. He has NEVER drafted a player smaller than 5'11". Of these 5'11" guys, 2 of which are Hamill and Arniel: 2 guys who impressed this preseason. Samsonov was not a bust, and played for the Bruins for 7 years before being shipped off. Lashoff isn't a bust. He's going to be a productive NHL'er... he just wasn't going to crack our lineup anytime soon. SO we shipped him off and got Mark Recchi in return, who was extremely valuable to us last year and will be again this year. You don't know what you're talking about.
    Posted by TommyD603[/QUOTE]


    This was perfect.  But, all the ignorant haters will still flap their gums.  Good research and well said.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bruins draftees flopping! : dkrejci you sure are a dope, yes? Who would in thier right mind would trade for a 36-37 year old goaltender with a $5 million cap hit?!
    Posted by gcolez[/QUOTE]


    its a known fact that goalies play older than skaters yes? He won the Vezina at 35 yes? my guess is if there were a team who needed a vezina calibur goalie, which is most teams, they might be willing to ship a good prospect and a first. Also after the first two years of the deal his cap his drops to 4, an then 3
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bruins draftees flopping! : its a known fact that goalies play older than skaters yes? He won the Vezina at 35 yes? my guess is if there were a team who needed a vezina calibur goalie, which is most teams, they might be willing to ship a good prospect and a first. Also after the first two years of the deal his cap his drops to 4, an then 3
    Posted by dkrejci46[/QUOTE]
    No, the money PAID drops. The cap hit stays the same for the life of the contract. His contract is structured to Pay him big bucks for his years as the #1, and then shrink as he takes more of a veteran backup roll. The cap hit is similar to what we were paying Manny Fernandez... a tandem goalie situation is the way Chiarelli likes to operate and we had the best last year... looking better this year. You could argue it's a lot of money at 1 position, but it's a great philosophy that works, if you ask me. Love having Sabourin at Providence, too.
     

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