Bruins players ranking from 1 to 10 (most important

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    Let's look at the history of the #2 picks, shall we... 2009 - Victor Hedman -- /> World Junior Championship 2009 2008 - Drew Doughty --> World Junior Championship 2008 2007 - James van Riemsdyk --> World Junior Championship 2007 Do I need to continue ? Why rush this kid's development playing a position that is unnatural to him anyways ?
    Posted by RMiller87


    First of all, he's Tyler Seguin, not James van Riemsdyk, or anyone else. Judge him on his own merits.

    Secondly, he was ranked #1 by the NHL's scouting bureau. He could just as easily have gone first. Pigeonholing him as "#2" is arbitrary. It's just a number.

    Thirdly, playing wing is easier than playing center, and he played that position in his first year in Juniors. It's not "unnatural" to him.

    This is all pretty silly. He's a good player and fills a need for the team that drafted him. Sending him back to Juniors makes no sense.
     
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    I guess then Stamkos was rushed. He only scored 40 plus points in his first year and 2nd year after a valuable first year experienece is now considered one of the deadliest scorers in the NHL.

    And the thing is Seguin is thought to have more talent than Stamkos.

    He needs to impress at the parent camp still. If he does no reason why he needs to be sent down.

    You put on the ice the best players in your org
     
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    I love the junior championships, I love it when B's draftees are on the Canadian team more...

    but I do not want a wasted year for Seguin to pad stats in the juniors to absolutely no purpose, he needs minimum 3rd line minutes.

    He has been as highly rated as Tavares24G 54P, Kane 21G 72Pts, Toews 24G 54Pts, Jordan Staal 29G 42Pts and Stamkos 23G 46Pts were at his age and to hold him back and not give him this shot would be unjust and brutal to his development. 

    His only problem is that all these others plus Crosby and Ov started their careers with teams on the outside looking in, as to why they were able to get these picks was because they were brutal and this allowed all these players to get an easier go as there was not much competition on the teams.  Hall is at this advantage as he will not have to worry that he might get 4th line minutes because the top 3 centres are taken or he might have to fill in on the wing for a year or 2.

    Put the kid out and give him the mins.
     
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    1. Tuukka Rask
    2. Zdeno Chara
    3. Patrice Bergeron
    4 Tyler Sequin
    5. Marc Savard
    6.David Krejci
    7 Dennis Seidenberg
    8. Milan Lucic
    9. John Boychuk
    10 Tom Fitzgerald
     
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    Chara
    Krecji
    Rask
    Bergeron
    Seidenberg
    Rechi
    Horton
    Johnny B
    Stuart
    McQuaid



    * Personally, I can't put Seguin yet, because he has not made the team.
     
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    (From Bookboy's angle)

    1. Savard
    2. Savard
    3. Savard
    4. Tuuka
    5. Ryder
    6. Horton
    7. Krejci
    8. Seidenberg
    9. Seguin
    10.Lucic

    Some pts:  a) I took bookboy's angle.  That being the case, Bergeron and Chara were omitted because we all know (and love) what we are going to get from them. 

    If we get Savy back to his 90 pt form (and i think we will), we'll be right there competing for the cup.  If not, look forward to an anemic powerplay and ranking bottom 5 in goals.  He is just so crucial to success this year.  If we trade him, I may off myself.

    Tuuka needs to prove last year was no fluke and use his playoff experience next year.

    Ryder is one of the best scorers on the team.  And we need him to score.  He's high on this list because him scoring is not a given.

    Horton needs to prove he wants to play.  Krejci needs to get and stay healthy.

    Seidenberg needs to QB the PP and make good passes to start the rush.  A lot to put on his shoulders, which is why he makes this list.

    Seguin comes w a lot of expectations, so he makes the list.

    And lucic has to prove that he's worth the HUGE cap hit.  That includes more than creating space and checking.  He needs to be a garbage goal specialist and spend time camped out in front of the net.  If he does these things, I predict 23 goals.  He has a nact for finding rebounds, so I want to put him where the rebounds are (in front).

     
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    woops, sorry about the italicizing
     
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    Let's look at the history of the #2 picks, shall we... 2009 - Victor Hedman -- /> World Junior Championship 2009 2008 - Drew Doughty --> World Junior Championship 2008 2007 - James van Riemsdyk --> World Junior Championship 2007 Do I need to continue ? Why rush this kid's development playing a position that is unnatural to him anyways ?
    Posted by RMiller87


    And...so?  There's nothing in this to support the idea that Seguin should be sent down just so he can play in the WJHC.  Of your three examples, the only guy who won gold was Doughty.  So should I assume that that means you think just playing a key role in that tournament, win or lose, is reason enough for him to go back to a league where he's already player of the year and league scoring leader?

    I can give you an endless list of players who went to the WJHC, even won gold, and didn't do squat as NHLers - including high first round picks.  And if your argument is that he's going to go play against the best juniors in the world, I'd counter with the crazy idea that he's going to develop just as effectively if he plays against the best players in the word.  If he makes the team on merit, he should make the team.  Don't give him a spot he can't handle, but don't deny him what he's earned just because you think he should play in the WJHC.

    I'm ready for a battle if that's what you want, but so far you're coming unarmed.
     
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    In Response to Re: Bruins players ranking from 1 to 10 (most important : And...so?  There's nothing in this to support the idea that Seguin should be sent down just so he can play in the WJHC.  Of your three examples, the only guy who won gold was Doughty.  So should I assume that that means you think just playing a key role in that tournament, win or lose, is reason enough for him to go back to a league where he's already player of the year and league scoring leader? I can give you an endless list of players who went to the WJHC, even won gold, and didn't do squat as NHLers - including high first round picks.  And if your argument is that he's going to go play against the best juniors in the world, I'd counter with the crazy idea that he's going to develop just as effectively if he plays against the best players in the word.  If he makes the team on merit, he should make the team.  Don't give him a spot he can't handle, but don't deny him what he's earned just because you think he should play in the WJHC. I'm ready for a battle if that's what you want, but so far you're coming unarmed.
    Posted by Bookboy007


    He doesn't have to be sent back to junior to play in the WJHC.  We can keep him on the big club and make him available to the Canadian Junior team.  Hell, missing a couple of games may help keep him out of some of his bonuses.
     
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    In Response to Re: Bruins players ranking from 1 to 10 (most important : He doesn't have to be sent back to junior to play in the WJHC.  We can keep him on the big club and make him available to the Canadian Junior team.  Hell, missing a couple of games may help keep him out of some of his bonuses.
    Posted by Raskman


    Good insight Raskman!!!! 

    On another level of the thread, I left Lucic off of my list as I feel he is not a scorer, Seguin will be that scorer albeit within the first year learning curve issues thus Recchi's importance.  Seguin has absolutely nothing to learn from going backward.  He will not be Burn's coddled like Thornton, but will play wing and center equally during the year, sorry duinne he has nothing to learn on the wing either.  Assessment will be based upon the injury status of Savard and Krejci.  BTW I like Bookboy twist on the rankings.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Bruins players ranking from 1 to 10 (most important : He doesn't have to be sent back to junior to play in the WJHC.  We can keep him on the big club and make him available to the Canadian Junior team.  Hell, missing a couple of games may help keep him out of some of his bonuses.
    Posted by Raskman


    Oh, I know he doesn't have to go back to Jr. to play at the WJHC.  The conversation comes up every year when teams are looking to name a roster - which of the eligible players will be released by his club to play in an international junior tournament.  Not surprisingly, few are released.  If the kid is an important part of your team, you're not going to send him off to the tournament for two or three weeks.  I remember the hue and cry when they Bruins didn't send Thornton in 1997.  He was barely playing, but they wouldn't release him.  I also remember that Bergeron played in large part because he was in Providence that year and not the NHL, and that made all the difference.

    No, I only bring up the "send him down to Plymouth" part of that post because RMiller has so firmly sewn the two ideas together.
     
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    My list, in order of importance to the franchise overall:

    1.  Seguin:  He can make the next 15 years a whole lot of fun.

    2.  Krejci:  If he progresses, he can be the #1 center we've been looking for since you-know-who left.

    3.  Horton:  He's the only scoring winger and he's young enough to make an impact for many years to come.

    4.  Chara (and his next contract):  If he stays at a fair price, the defense has it's anchor.  If he leaves, there is a huge hole to fill, but the money to do it.

    5.  Rask:  If he continues to progress and fixes his holes (no pun intended), the B's are all set in goal for the forseeable future.

    6.  Lucic:  Again, if he progresses and becomes the player they think he'll be, he can terrorize oppenents for 15 more years.  If he doesn't, and remains a sub-20 goal banging winger who doesn't even drop the gloves very much, well, he drops off the list completely.

    7.  Boychuk:  What you got, Johnny?  A true #2 defenseman or a minor leaguer who is only successful when playing with a Norris Trophy winner?

    8.  Caron/Colborne/Knight:  The B's need to cultivate their youth in order to avoid mistakes like Ryder.

    9.  Wheeler:  Size not considered, a boost in scoring from a guy who will probably be under contract for at least the next three years would make a big difference.

    10.  Julien/Chiarelli/scouting department/Neely:  If these guys don't step it up or hit the bricks, the Bruins will never win the Cup again.
     
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    My list, in order of importance to the franchise overall: 1.  Seguin:  He can make the next 15 years a whole lot of fun. 2.  Krejci:  If he progresses, he can be the #1 center we've been looking for since you-know-who left. 3.  Horton:  He's the only scoring winger and he's young enough to make an impact for many years to come. 4.  Chara (and his next contract):  If he stays at a fair price, the defense has it's anchor.  If he leaves, there is a huge hole to fill, but the money to do it. 5.  Rask:  If he continues to progress and fixes his holes (no pun intended), the B's are all set in goal for the forseeable future. 6.  Lucic:  Again, if he progresses and becomes the player they think he'll be, he can terrorize oppenents for 15 more years.  If he doesn't, and remains a sub-20 goal banging winger who doesn't even drop the gloves very much, well, he drops off the list completely. 7.  Boychuk:  What you got, Johnny?  A true #2 defenseman or a minor leaguer who is only successful when playing with a Norris Trophy winner? 8.  Caron/Colborne/Knight:  The B's need to cultivate their youth in order to avoid mistakes like Ryder. 9.  Wheeler:  Size not considered, a boost in scoring from a guy who will probably be under contract for at least the next three years would make a big difference. 10.  Julien/Chiarelli/scouting department/Neely:  If these guys don't step it up or hit the bricks, the Bruins will never win the Cup again.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot

    Dude, where's Hamill?
     
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    I'm staying up the middle for quite some time to start because of our putrid offense. Our Defense is solid 3 guys need to really push it farther.

    1. Marc Savard - Once again your're chirping has wrangled the front office of the team you play for so yes PC is listening. If you don't click with Horton you're are gone.

    2. Nathan Horton - If you don't click with Savard I hate you because were stuck with you and your contract!

    3. David Krejci - You have not proven to me that you can have long stretches of consistency just yet. I need you to return to 09' form you get it with young gun Seguin.

    4.Patrice Bergeron - Contract year but you have to put more offense it lacked the Bruins need it. All other parts of your game superb!

    5. Milan Lucic - You played awesome in the playoffs keep it going. You cannot afford a slow start. This board will blow up with "what is wrong with Milan threads" Offensive increase is a must!

    6. Dennis Seidenberg - Keep showing Bruins fans why you were perfect for the Bruins system while staying confident in offensive zone. Dennis does not need to be paired with Zdeno to do this.

    7. Johnny Manchuk - Show Boston some more of those "Johnny make dynamite go boom" hits and slappers! You wil benefit more with being paired with Big Z.

    8. Blake Wheeler - Have fun in Hawaii with your new wife hopefully she taught you how to score (eh hemm) come back a man!

    9. Mark Stuart - One year to prove you get a Seidenberg extension! Need that ruff and tough CAVEMAN to be the same.

    10. Tuukka Rask - I expect no let down from you and expect the 09' Bruins puck possession to return No napping though!

    Big Z didn't make my top ten I expect him to be his same steady eddy shutting down the other teams top lines. Getting back to 20 goals would be a bonus. I just expect Chara to be his same shutdown self so my eye isn't on him plus I know he'll play injured.

    Honorable Mention - Damn it Paille score on some of those breakaways!

    PS."If you're going to start marching around TD Garden with a sign saying "Send Seguin back to Juniors!" I'm afraid you're going to be one lonely protester."

    Great one Duinne!
     
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    In Response to Re: Bruins players ranking from 1 to 10 (most important : I think that you need to examine that statement again... Most #2 draft picks have the opportunity to play for a World Junior Championship... Victor Hedman was drafted #2 overall in 2009 and he played in the 2009 World Junior Championship... This is not a point that I am willing to compromise on... You better get ready for a battle...
    Posted by RMiller87


    How about we make a bet?
    If Seguin goes back to the OHL, I'll never post again.
    If Seguin plays in the NHL, you never post again.
    Bet?

    Seriously, this is one of the stupidist things I've heard on this board in quite a while.
     
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    In Response to Re: Bruins players ranking from 1 to 10 (most important : He doesn't have to be sent back to junior to play in the WJHC.  We can keep him on the big club and make him available to the Canadian Junior team.  Hell, missing a couple of games may help keep him out of some of his bonuses.
    Posted by Raskman


    OK, I'll buy that one...

    I don't care how the Bruins do it -- just get her done ! 

    This kid really needs to be given the opportunity to show his stuff while playing in an International Tournament amongst the best junior hockey players in the World...

    I highly doubt that the Bruins will deny him that shot...

     
     
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    In Response to Re: Bruins players ranking from 1 to 10 (most important : How about we make a bet? If Seguin goes back to the OHL, I'll never post again. If Seguin plays in the NHL, you never post again. Bet? Seriously, this is one of the stupidist things I've heard on this board in quite a while.
    Posted by BadHabitude

    You need to learn to read...

    I said Seguin needs to play in the WJC...

     
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    In Response to Re: Bruins players ranking from 1 to 10 (most important : Oh, I know he doesn't have to go back to Jr. to play at the WJHC.  The conversation comes up every year when teams are looking to name a roster - which of the eligible players will be released by his club to play in an international junior tournament.  Not surprisingly, few are released.  If the kid is an important part of your team, you're not going to send him off to the tournament for two or three weeks.  I remember the hue and cry when they Bruins didn't send Thornton in 1997.  He was barely playing, but they wouldn't release him.  I also remember that Bergeron played in large part because he was in Providence that year and not the NHL, and that made all the difference. No, I only bring up the "send him down to Plymouth" part of that post because RMiller has so firmly sewn the two ideas together.
    Posted by Bookboy007


    Yeah, that was totally CLASSLESS when the Bruins didn't release Thornton to play in the WJC back in 1997...

     
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    I guess then Stamkos was rushed. He only scored 40 plus points in his first year and 2nd year after a valuable first year experienece is now considered one of the deadliest scorers in the NHL. And the thing is Seguin is thought to have more talent than Stamkos. He needs to impress at the parent camp still. If he does no reason why he needs to be sent down. You put on the ice the best players in your org
    Posted by yaz16

    Umm...  Stamkos did, in fact, play in the World Junior Championships in 2008...

     
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    Johnny Manchuck i love it!!! thats what me and my friends nick named him and i hope it catches on. Kids a beast! 1 raask 2 bergeron 3 chara 4 krejci 5 horton 6 MANchuck 7 seguin 8 recchi 9 seidenburg 10 stuart i saw a post doubting recchis worthiness of playing with the team or his being valuable to the team and i think its ridiculous. he provides 20+ goals as a small body in front of the net and as a mentor he is invaluable
    Posted by squeef


    Boychuk is 26 years old.  Hardly a kid.

    Here we go with the mentor foolishness again.
     
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    Except for the fact that "the mentor foolishness" is not foolishness at all...

    Squeef just perfectly outlined Rex's role with the Bruins next season...
     
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    It's certainly not intended as a knock on Seguin's play. It's simply because Seguin will gain a much valuable experience in LEADING a team to a World Junior Championship like Bergeron previously did both in 2004 and 2005 than playing a secondary role in a position that he is unfamiliar with while facing possibly unrealistic fan expectations.  Marchand also won back-to-back WJC Gold Medals in 2007 and 2008. I suspect that we'll see Seguin for a few games with the big club next season, but he'll be back with the OHL for most of the season.
    Posted by RMiller87


    Maybe not my reading skills, but my interpretive skills.  How am I supposed to read that exactly?
     
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    im sorry NAS i refer to everyone as kid. like saying hey buddy, or how a 60 year old man will call a 30 year old a kid.
    Posted by squeef


    Make it your byline if you will then.
     
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    1. Tim Thomas- With the B's in cap trouble it's going to be up to Timmy to either get back to his Vezina type ways where a) He pushes Rask to get his act together & be what he's supposed to be. b) He makes his value more higher & easier to move.
    2) Savard- Another player that needs to show he can be Savvy & dish the puck to his wingers & also score himself. This also increases his value & makes him more moveable, or a huge asset to the B's offence.
    3) Rask- The kid needs to be the Marty Brodeur type- Not the Steve Mason type. Not saying he's a Marty Brodeur, but saying he needs to come in & show he can be the elite & franchise goalie that he's supposed to be. If the B's get rid of Thomas they can't afford a sophmore slump & right now since the Philly series that's what it's looking like. He needs a strong start & needs to get better as the play-offs continue, not get worse.
    4) Krejci- The last two play-offs we lost him, or his effectiveness due to injuries. He needs to be able to stay healthy so the B's can have him 90% healthy as a #1 or #2 center.
    5) Chara- Big Z is in his prime for a defenseman. He doesn't need to be a Norris Trophy winner again...He just needs to be the best leader on this team & lead by example. IF someone like Savvy is doing his selfish type ways like he's done in the past, it's up to Z to straighten him out. Not CJ.
    6) Bergeron- Face-off extrodinaire, needs to continue being one of the best 2-way centers in the league. Face-offs are a huge importance in this game especailly late in games & OT!
    7) Horton- As of right now. Horton is the Phil Kessel replacement. Not the rookie! Horton must score at least 30 goals to be able show everyone that a change of scenery can help. Also needs to be an offensive threat without a defensive liability.
    8) Siedenburg- Next to Z he's going to be the B's best D-man, both in offence & Defence. When Z is having an off night, he needs to be able to step in & do the job.
    9) Looch- Needs to be the Looch of old. Check guys thru the boards, fight & score 20-25. Needs to make defenders look over their shoulders before they play the puck. Create Havac in front of the net & in the corners to create openings & scoring opportunities.
    10) Stuart- Needs to be one of the best defensive defensemen in the game & continue to progress, as he had been before his injuries. Next to Z he's the strongest guy in the locker room. He needs to show that strength on a consistent basis.
     
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