Cap Relief : Possibility

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    Cap Relief : Possibility

    As you guys are aware Marco Sturm turns 32 on September 8 and is returning from major reconstructive surgury.  What are your thoughts that PC might urge the guy to consider retirement. 

    The benefits being -
     
    1) it gives the B's immediate Cap relief
    2) it gives the B's a chance to evaluate Ryder (or other call up)
    3) no pressure on trading Savvy or Timmy

    Alternatively, Sturm has the option of a complete unpressured recovery and then deciding whether to "unretire" - plus he gets full pay from the insurance.
     
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    Not a chance at all!!
     
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    As you guys are aware Marco Sturm turns 32 on September 8 and is returning from major reconstructive surgury.  What are your thoughts that PC might urge the guy to consider retirement.  The benefits being -   1) it gives the B's immediate Cap relief 2) it gives the B's a chance to evaluate Ryder (or other call up) 3) no pressure on trading Savvy or Timmy Alternatively, Sturm has the option of a complete unpressured recovery and then deciding whether to "unretire" - plus he gets full pay from the insurance.
    Posted by Devanjan


    100% never going to happen.  ***VIRUS ALERT***
     
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    As you guys are aware Marco Sturm turns 32 on September 8 and is returning from major reconstructive surgury.  What are your thoughts that PC might urge the guy to consider retirement.  The benefits being -   1) it gives the B's immediate Cap relief 2) it gives the B's a chance to evaluate Ryder (or other call up) 3) no pressure on trading Savvy or Timmy Alternatively, Sturm has the option of a complete unpressured recovery and then deciding whether to "unretire" - plus he gets full pay from the insurance.
    Posted by Devanjan


    If your boss asked you to forfeit one year's pay, would you accept?
     
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    Ride him out this year play him on the 3rd and 4th line and if able to trade(if NTC is waive) for prospect or 4th or 5th rd. pick then send on his way. The possibility he may want to go out west LA SJ ANA or south DAL. If and when he is complete healthy try waivers as another option.
     
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    Ride him out this year play him on the 3rd and 4th line and if able to trade(if NTC is waive) for prospect or 4th or 5th rd. pick then send on his way. The possibility he may want to go out west LA SJ ANA or south DAL. If and when he is complete healthy try waivers as another option.
    Posted by Canbostondoit


    Why on earth would Marco Sturm want to go out west? And why on earth would anyone put a healthy 20+ goal scorer/superb PKer on waivers?
     
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    The only logical things I can see to do are:
    1. Trade Ryder for a song to a team struggling to make the cap floor.
    2. When that doesn't work out, demote Ryder to the minors and eat the 4 mil.
    3. The least popular but a very realistic option...Send Seguin back to junior, let him season 1 more year and play in the world juniors (go Canada). Then next year with Sturm and Ryder  off the books, and Chara and Bergeron signed to 'cap friendly' contracts, bring him in for good. Thoughts?
     
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    The only logical things I can see to do are:
    1. Trade Ryder for a song to a team struggling to make the cap floor.
    2. When that doesn't work out, demote Ryder to the minors and eat the 4 mil.
    3. The least popular but a very realistic option...Send Seguin back to junior, let him season 1 more year and play in the world juniors (go Canada). Then next year with Sturm and Ryder  off the books, and Chara and Bergeron signed to 'cap friendly' contracts, bring him in for good. Thoughts?

    1.  Islanders are a possibility
    2.  Last resort
    3.  NO! NO! NO!-- Seguin needs to be on this team--- sending him back to Juniors would be a huge mistake and only set him back a year.
     
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    The only logical things I can see to do are: 1. Trade Ryder for a song to a team struggling to make the cap floor. 2. When that doesn't work out, demote Ryder to the minors and eat the 4 mil. 3. The least popular but a very realistic option...Send Seguin back to junior, let him season 1 more year and play in the world juniors (go Canada). Then next year with Sturm and Ryder  off the books, and Chara and Bergeron signed to 'cap friendly' contracts, bring him in for good. Thoughts?
    Posted by savybergy77


    Sending Seguin back to Junior wouldn't solve the cap problem; his hit will be less than $1 million. He's actually a pretty cheap option.
     
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    Sorry your not correct. His salary would only be about a million but his cap hit will be 3.75 per like Taylor Hall. The reality of it is he might not be ready, and at a 3.75 million cap hit, it isn't an expirement the bruins have the luxury of trying. I would prefer him to make the squad but at that cap hit, sending him back has to be considered.
     
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    Sorry your not correct. His salary would only be about a million but his cap hit will be 3.75 per like Taylor Hall. The reality of it is he might not be ready, and at a 3.75 million cap hit, it isn't an expirement the bruins have the luxury of trying. I would prefer him to make the squad but at that cap hit, sending him back has to be considered.
    Posted by savybergy77


    Yea, the 3.75 counts against the cap, but with the bonus cushion, the cap hit is basically $900K.
     
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    In Response to Re: Cap Relief : Possibility : Yea, the 3.75 counts against the cap, but with the bonus cushion, the cap hit is basically $900K.
    Posted by beantowngm15


    Yeah that's true, but he could meet those bonuses then...
    But with Sturm on the LTIR it would help as well. But anyway I crunch it, we can't fit in Ryder, Seguin, and Wheeler whenever we hear what the damn arbitrator gives him.
     
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    Sorry your not correct. His salary would only be about a million but his cap hit will be 3.75 per like Taylor Hall. The reality of it is he might not be ready, and at a 3.75 million cap hit, it isn't an expirement the bruins have the luxury of trying. I would prefer him to make the squad but at that cap hit, sending him back has to be considered.
    Posted by savybergy77


    The extra cap hit goes toward NEXT year's cap. It's bonus money.

    Think about it. What if he doesn't make his bonuses? 
     
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    In Response to Re: Cap Relief : Possibility : The extra cap hit goes toward NEXT year's cap. It's bonus money. Think about it. What if he doesn't make his bonuses? 
    Posted by duinne


    I understand what your saying, but the fact remains that we only have 500k left and still have the Wheeler outcome and the kid might not be ready. I sure hope he makes it still but we'll see.
     
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    In Response to Re: Cap Relief : Possibility : The extra cap hit goes toward NEXT year's cap. It's bonus money. Think about it. What if he doesn't make his bonuses? 
    Posted by duinne


    It does not.  It goes to this year's cap number.  If the B's happen to go over the cap, the overage is applied to the following season.
     
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    In Response to Re: Cap Relief : Possibility : It does not.  It goes to this year's cap number.  If the B's happen to go over the cap, the overage is applied to the following season.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot


    and I'll ask again: What if he doesn't make the bonuses? How can money go against the cap if it's not earned?

    Edited to add:

    Bonuses for forwards:

    1.      Ice Time [aggregate or per game]:  Player must be among top six (6) forwards on the Club [minimum 42 Regular Season games played by Player and comparison group].  An Entry-Level SPC may contain a provision for both aggregate and per-game ice time; however, the maximum a player may earn for ice time bonuses is $212,500]

    2.      Goals:  20 goal minimum

    3.      Assists:  35 assist minimum

    4.      Points:  60 point minimum

    5.      Points per Game:  0.73 points per game [minimum 42 Regular Season games played]

    6.      Plus-Minus Rating:  Among the top three (3) forwards on the Club [minimum 42 Regular Season games played by Player and comparison group]

    7.      End of Season NHL All-Rookie Team

    8.      NHL All-Star Game [selected to play or plays]

    9.      NHL All-Star Game MVP

    http://www.nhlscap.com/Exhibit5.htm

     
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    Just ran this through CapGeek with Wheeler's amount at $2.2M.  When Sturm comes back, just demote Thornton to Providence and you can keep everyone including Ryder and put whoever's not performing on the 4th line with Campbell and Paille.

    CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

    FORWARDS
    Blake Wheeler ($2.200m) / Marc Savard ($4.007m) / Nathan Horton ($4.000m)
    Milan Lucic ($4.083m) / David Krejci ($3.750m) / Michael Ryder ($4.000m)
    Mark Recchi ($1.950m) / Patrice Bergeron ($4.750m) / Tyler Seguin ($0.900m)
    Daniel Paille ($1.075m) / Greg Campbell ($1.100m) / Marco Sturm ($3.500m)

    DEFENSEMEN
    Zdeno Chara ($7.500m) / Johnny Boychuk ($1.875m)
    Andrew Ference ($2.250m) / Dennis Seidenberg ($3.250m)
    Mark Stuart ($1.675m) / Matt Hunwick ($1.450m)
    / Adam McQuaid ($0.575m)

    GOALTENDERS
    Tuukka Rask ($1.250m) /Tim Thomas ($5.000m)

    BUYOUTS: Peter Schaefer ($0.766m) / Patrick Eaves ($-0.041m)
    CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,759,795

    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,625,271; BONUSES: $3,800,000
    CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $574,729

     
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    Just demote Thornton to Providence? That's a new one.

    Not happening.
     
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    Yeah you're right, let's put a 20 goal scorer in Ryder down in the minors or have to trade picks with him to dump his salary and leave a goon who gets 5 min's of ice team and gets 5 points a year on the team.  People don't understand that you win games by scoring goals and not by having cement heads running around staging fights.  Your 4th line has to produce some points as well.  What helped Chicago and Philly make it to the finals.....Troy Brouwer 8 pts, Andrew Ladd 6pts, Arron Asham 7 pts in the playoffs.  Oh yeah, Shawn Thornton....0 Pts in the playoffs.  Yeah, he's a real ASSet to the Bruins.
     
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    Yeah you're right, let's put a 20 goal scorer in Ryder down in the minors or have to trade picks with him to dump his salary and leave a goon who gets 5 min's of ice team and gets 5 points a year on the team.  People don't understand that you win games by scoring goals and not by having cement heads running around staging fights.  Your 4th line has to produce some points as well.  What helped Chicago and Philly make it to the finals.....Troy Brouwer 8 pts, Andrew Ladd 6pts, Arron Asham 7 pts in the playoffs.  Oh yeah, Shawn Thornton....0 Pts in the playoffs.  Yeah, he's a real ASSet to the Bruins.
    Posted by stunner416


    It's all about SALARY CAP. Sorry if you don't comprehend that, but that's the reality of the NHL in this day and age. That's why Philly traded Gagne for a seventh defenseman. That's why Chicago held a fire sale. That's why Vancouver is going to be dumping salary before the season starts. That's why Montreal dumped Halak and held on to Price (which, BTW, they may end up regretting big time.)

    Thornton is a dependable fourth-line grinder who will play 10 minutes a game,  police the ice and spend time in the penalty box so Lucic and Chara don't have to. I'd love nothing more than a team full of snipers and lovely skaters, but you don't win in the NHL without (inexpensive) spear-carriers as well. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Cap Relief : Possibility : and I'll ask again: What if he doesn't make the bonuses? How can money go against the cap if it's not earned?
    Posted by duinne


    Oops.  Sorry.  I gave you more credit than apparently I should have.  Are you being antagonistic here, or do you really need me to write it all out for you?

    Here's a hint:  His final cap number is malleable.  To simply say that only $900K counts this season and the rest is tacked onto next season is, at the present time, incorrect.
     
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    As you guys are aware Marco Sturm turns 32 on September 8 and is returning from major reconstructive surgury.  What are your thoughts that PC might urge the guy to consider retirement.  The benefits being -   1) it gives the B's immediate Cap relief 2) it gives the B's a chance to evaluate Ryder (or other call up) 3) no pressure on trading Savvy or Timmy Alternatively, Sturm has the option of a complete unpressured recovery and then deciding whether to "unretire" - plus he gets full pay from the insurance.
    Posted by Devanjan


    Marco Sturm is very serviceable at this point.  Any 32 year old is wanting to have his or her tendons flexible and responsive.  Any 58 year old, will laugh and say the days are numbered for quick recovery.  Modern day medicine will allow Sturm to play but he will not be the player he once was when he was 28 or such. That said, he is a valuable experienced player who could very well be the player to be traded or as mentioned serviceable in the Bs playoffs.  Ryder on the other hand is another story.  
     
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    Who says we need cap relief anyway?
    We're set until Sturm comes back.
    And if we can learn anything from history, we will unfortunately have someone else on ltir by then.
     
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    The bonus for this year is an in and out thing, so no it does not count against the cap this year. The max cap is 59.4M with bonus cap at 4.455M. The B's have Rec at 950K and Seg at 2.875M will be well within the bonus cap for it not to count against the cap this year, but bonus's earned will be against next years cap.

    So yes only 900K will count against the cap this year unless they play more players with bonus hits that moves them over the 4.455 bonus cap which is not going to happen.
     
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    Who says we need cap relief anyway? We're set until Sturm comes back. And if we can learn anything from history, we will unfortunately have someone else on ltir by then.
    Posted by BadHabitude


    We do need some type of cap relief.  If the Wheeler award is accepted, there is a little over $1.3M in cap space.  Seguin will probably come in at $900K so that $400K is not going to be enough to fill the last roster spot. 
     
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