Chiarelli gets Ripped!

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    SanDog - Is coming back from a concussion as quickly as possible really to help the team, or is it because he, like all players, wanted badly to play in the playoffs.  Is it character, or human nature to want to play.  The tests that are now performed on concussed athletes are there to safeguard against every athletes desire to get back on the field, court, ice, etc....  We can agree to disagree on whether or not Savard took a pay cut.  His contract may have been cap friendly (pre-concussion), but that is more PC's doing then Savard taking a pay cut.  

    We can also disagree on Paille's worth.  The guy was a healthy scratch in Buffalo and considered a bust up there.  Replacing him on the PK will be Campbell, and one of the young studs looking to stay with the big club.  In addition to having Seidenberg, one of the best shot blocking d-men in the league for a full-season.  The Bruins penalty kill numbers were 4% better this year then last.  However, how many times did we hear Jack Edwards talk about the "dangerous minute" following the power play, where a team scored with our player stepping out of the box. 

    Correct me if I am wrong, the CBA says that he gets a raise if he is offered a contract, which he wasn't.  That's why PC is doing the right thing and negotiating a deal for what a 4th line specialist is worth. 
     
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    The writer of that article is right Chiarelli has not managed the cap very well AGAIN! PC didn't tender Paille an offer and if Daniel with his stone hands leaves PC will have to give up another 3rd rounder for a PK specialist hope it works. Maybe Neely was brought in to see if Chiarelli is handling the cap correctly amongst other reasons. PC has painted himself into a corner once again.  As far as the Savard situation the Toronto media wishing Chiarelli would commit suicide by reuniting Savard and phat Phil in the same division when your holding that teams #1 your trading with too very funny.
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    Posted by xprodigy


    It's a little unfair that Chiarelli gets ripped for the Tim Thomas contract when we wouldn't be discussing it if Rask didn't mature so fast.  Or if Tim didn't have an uncharacteristic year.  Rask maturing is a good thing.  Now Chiarelli gets to react to that development, but it's not something he could have counted on before.
     
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    You might be on to something.  Savard is not known for being a good locker room guy. He does have a bad rep.  Remember him coming here asking for Chief's retired number and Johnny having to tell him to shut up?  He is an excellent talent but maybe it is his attitude that people do not want him.  Regardless if Sobotka is 4th liner, he was still a teammate and you don't throw teammates under the bus.  Maybe this has more to do with his attitude then his skill, we all know he is a heck of a player.
    Posted by ssags111


    What about Savard taking the too many men on the ice penalty in game 7 vs the Flyers?  He signaled for a change then stayed on the ice.  Threw Sobotka under the bus!
     
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    In Response to Re: Chiarelli gets Ripped! : What about Savard taking the too many men on the ice penalty in game 7 vs the Flyers?  He signaled for a change then stayed on the ice.  Threw Sobotka under the bus!
    Posted by Bruins-Fan-In-MD



    Bro that is what I am saying...I agree with you.  Some on here are pretending Savard does not have character issues when HE has had issues in the locker room everywhere he has played.  Including the Sobotka thing. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Chiarelli gets Ripped! : Bro that is what I am saying...I agree with you.  Some on here are pretending Savard does not have character issues when HE has had issues in the locker room everywhere he has played.  Including the Sobotka thing. 
    Posted by ssags111


    Anyone that is a cancer, needs to go.  I always wondered why he was not wearing the Alternate "A".  Now I know why.
     
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    In Response to Re: Chiarelli gets Ripped! : Anyone that is a cancer, needs to go.  I always wondered why he was not wearing the Alternate "A".  Now I know why.
    Posted by Bruins-Fan-In-MD


    He had selfishness issues in Calgary and in Atl.  Didn't care about winning only point production, wasn't liked in the locker room type of thing. Something he aknowledged when he came to Boston.  Plus not respected as a good teammate especially over the biting incident...not the one with Carcillo this year but the one he was suspended for a few years back.  

    It has been reported that he has changed his way and is more concerned with the team and winning but the Sobotka thing makes me wonder. 

    I know when he came to Boston he pissed off the Bruin legends when he wanted number 9 and didn't understand why it was retired. I know Bucyk openly in the media told him to basically shut up.

    Does anyone remember ol' Harry Sinden publically chastising Savard his first year here.  So, there has to be some issues with this guy.
     
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    I want to know where everyone hears that Savard is not good in the locker room, especially when we're not exposed to what happens in the B's room as fans.  Plain and simple. 

    Beers when he was on 98.5 said just the opposite actually, that he was a good locker room guy.  Fluto has said the same thing, that he's a 'character' and always joking around and keeping things loose.  I think even Milbury said the same thing.  Where do people get these ideas that he's a 'cancer' in the room?
     
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    I want to know where everyone hears that Savard is not good in the locker room, especially when we're not exposed to what happens in the B's room as fans.  Plain and simple.  Beers when he was on 98.5 said just the opposite actually, that he was a good locker room guy.  Fluto has said the same thing, that he's a 'character' and always joking around and keeping things loose.  I think even Milbury said the same thing.  Where do people get these ideas that he's a 'cancer' in the room?


    Posted by amazinglarry


    Because it has been reported as such in the places he played.  What is being said about him in Boston is encouraging but he did come here with character questions.  Him throwing Sobotka was not a good thing and has raised questions because of his past...that is all I am saying. 

    I don't want him traded but one has to wonder why they are putting him on the market. 

    That is all.
     
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    He's been here for a while though, and he's certainly matured as a player.  It's no good regurgitating old news as new news. 

    Beers just reiterated it again on the radio.  He's liked in the locker room. 
     
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    SanDog - Is coming back from a concussion as quickly as possible really to help the team, or is it because he, like all players, wanted badly to play in the playoffs.  Is it character, or human nature to want to play. 

    We can also disagree on Paille's worth.  The guy was a healthy scratch in Buffalo and considered a bust up there.  Replacing him on the PK will be Campbell, and one of the young studs looking to stay with the big club.  In addition to having Seidenberg, one of the best shot blocking d-men in the league for a full-season. Posted by MeanE


    Some sense of Charecter you have...

    Sure Savard comes back and risks having 2 concussions so close together which would certainly mean the end of his career that's because he likes to play ? comical! It's bad character to say "well i'm not coming back when i've just had a severe head injury to help my team in the playoffs I'm not going to risk my career." He did the opposite he risked everything. Go ahead and try to spin it that it was because Savard wanted to raise his stats.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20102ALLAAAAll&sort=penaltyKillPercentage&viewName=summary

    Please explain to me how Campbell helped Florida to the 21st ranked PK last year and suddenly he is going to miraculously take Paille's place ? While your at it tell me the PK turnaround in 09-10' didn't have anything to do with Paille arrival. Boston's penalty was almost the worst in the league before Jim Benning made the smart move of telling PC to bring Paille in.Yah Whitfield or Marchand could that job easy right Mean ?

    Special teams and trading one of your best players to a division rival must mean nothing to you as human nature doesn't.
     
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    The writer of that article is right Chiarelli has not managed the cap very well AGAIN! PC didn't tender Paille an offer and if Daniel with his stone hands leaves PC will have to give up another 3rd rounder for a PK specialist hope it works. Maybe Neely was brought in to see if Chiarelli is handling the cap correctly amongst other reasons. PC has painted himself into a corner once again.  As far as the Savard situation the Toronto media wishing Chiarelli would commit suicide by reuniting Savard and phat Phil in the same division when your holding that teams #1 your trading with too very funny.
    Posted by SanDogBrewin

    SanDog, agreed Chiarelli has not handled the cap space deftly.  There are many offenders of that species of GMs.  Savard and Thomas offerings are typical of the trend in cap management as a result.  More business like and less sensitive in these economic times.  Paille, I agreed he only had a few weeks where he looked as if he was awakening to his potential.  Nonetheless a smart move to get him for the pick imo.  I think he will resign for less than the potential qualifying offer.  The ESPN article was surely written for spin, Lambert goes on later in the article to softly suggest the Seguin pick was lucky in that the Bs did not have to finish 29th.  Wow, deep.  Calling the Thomas contract an albatross only makes me believe he should read Boston.com threads on the worst contracts in the NHL.  Oh well, ESPN and SI are not hockey experts by any sense of the imagination.  

     
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    In Response to Re: Chiarelli gets Ripped! : SanDog, agreed Chiarelli has not handled the cap space deftly.  There are many offenders of that species of GMs.  Savard and Thomas offerings are typical of the trend in cap management as a result.  More business like and less sensitive in these economic times.  Paille, I agreed he only had a few weeks where he looked as if he was awakening to his potential.  Nonetheless a smart move to get him for the pick imo.  I think he will resign for less than the potential qualifying offer.  The ESPN article was surely written for spin, Lambert goes on later in the article to softly suggest the Seguin pick was lucky in that the Bs did not have to finish 29th.  Wow, deep.  Calling the Thomas contract an albatross only makes me believe he should read Boston.com threads on the worst contracts in the NHL.  Oh well, ESPN and SI are not hockey experts by any sense of the imagination.  
    Posted by islamorada


    They only thing I agreed with in that article Isla is the cap management comments the rest was i chalked up to Stan Fischer type article showing his love for the Bruins. Lambert probably grew up a Sabre or Flyers fan.

    If Paille is allowed to walk which might happen just hope PC has a backup plan. Campbell certainly didn't help Florida last year so I hope Chiarelli has a better plan than that is all.

    Definitely see your points Isla Cheers!
     
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    Sandog- When did I say that Marc came back for stats?   Players want to play. They have a extreme competitiveness, that is why they are professionals to begin with.  He was not risking his career anymore then he will be when he takes the ice this season.  He was cleared to play by Doctors.  If the risk was what you perceive, he would have never been cleared.

    If you are so concerned about the pk unit, why are you not complaining that Begin is not coming back?  In fact only 5 of the top 10 penalty killers are under contract and 1 of them is Marco.  1 player does not make a successful penalty killing percentage.  Please don't compare Florida's PK as an argument against Campbell.  He didn't have anyone as good as Bergeron or Chara on their unit, as Paille did.  Paille was part of a team that was successful at killing penalties.  His contract was given to him with expectations of more then a 4th line special teams player.  PC is not going to overpay for this position.  You want to overpay a "long snapper" and then you will complain that PC isn't managing the cap properly.  You can't have it both ways.
     
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    Pc should get ripped for a couple of dumb things he has done already. 1) He signs Thomas and Savard to long term deals not giving his youth the benefit of the doubt that they can make the nhl. Classic example is trading away versteeg for Bochenski. Maybe whats more accurate analysis is that he is not timing their development or readyness for the nhl properly

    2) Signing Savard to a long term deal 7 months ago but wanting to trade him now. Yes he has a little attitude issue and threw sobokta under the bus but he was emotional for the embarring loss of the series and just was frustrated. Should of it happened? no but it did. Still , unless the bruins org justify savards departure due to attitude issues (they won't because it will lower his value) other guys won't feel too much in peace to sign a long term deal with us.

    PC has also done alot of good for our team and made some brilliant trades and signings. He just needs to put it all together and stop pulling a wideman (really bad in one moment and great in another)




     
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    I thought this was a thread about PC hitting the Hydroxycut
     
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    Regardless of the why's or whether or not Savard's a "cancer" or a character guy, this has got to eat him up emotionally and ego wise. how difficult is it going to be if they don't trade him now? Between Recchi's damning with faint praise interview, and PC's asking him to waive his NT deal 6 months after signing him, i think it'd take a lot not to have it effect your game or feel your standing with teammates has been diminished. If he isn't dealt now, this could be awkward come September. 
    Posted by Davidorr


    Maybe this will really wake Savard up and truly change his ways.  I hope so.  Even though Beers says Savard is liked in the locker room, no one is going to say anything negative.  Not while he is still on the team.  If there are problems, they would only come out if he is gone.
     
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    In Response to Re: Chiarelli gets Ripped! : You are correct.. If Savard does get moved it will not be because of cap issue.. He is cap friendly.. this is just people so far removed from the situation who don't know jack about the reasons behind the potential move if it happens at all.. I think there are personal reasons behind this move? ie maybe Savard does want to be closer to his kids in Toronto.. Who knows usually we never find out the real reasons for these  type of arrangements..
    Posted by cowboys9


    And I'm guessing you're in the locker room with them and of course you know what's going on..

     
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