Expectations of Horton

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    Hits per game is one of the biggest joke stats that is kept. Its NEVER accurate. And playing a POWER game as a forward in hockey isn't always getting credited with throwing hits, its about not getting knocked off the puck and keeping control and turning that into offenseive opportunities. Its about not being pushed around in front of the net, its about standing your ground and fighting for every inch of ice.
    No fighting majors isn't a bad thing for him - he is counted on to be your top goal scorer - not exactly somebody you want spending 5 minutes in the box.

    I expect a 30+ goal season out of him playing with Savvy and getting PP1 time.
     
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    40 - 45 = 85
    Posted by No4BobbyOrr-GOAT



    I like it.
     
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    I've been convinced since the trade that Horton and Lucic will play with Kreji. Their games complement each other as we saw with Lucic/Kreji/Satan in the playoffs as Lucic was improving. Their skating complements each other, and Kreji is very good at controlling the puck and passing at the right time. Because of Seguin's speed, I see him fitting in with Savard and Wheeler. Pre-season camp may prove differently, but, in order to maximize Kreji's talents, Lucic and horton are perfect bookends.
     
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    Oh, I know Brady, but that isn't always appreciated when people say they want to see a guy play a physical style.  The call is usually "HIT SOMEONE!!"  That will start with the idea that Horton should be in hard on the forecheck.  That's what makes me nervous when I see people saying "play physical" - that they expect him to be aggressive, pugnacious, truculent or whatever plethora of five dollar words Brian Burke likes to trot out.

    Hits might not be a great and accurate stat, but that just means you consider it differently.  20-50% margins might be playing in front of different scorers with different standards, but impressionistically, the stat has at least some value.
     
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    Isn't Horton's game really a more consistent Ryder? I mean, their both big strong wingers that are supposed to be strong on the puck and shooters.

    My only concern with Horton meshing with Savvy is Horton's speed. Ryder really didn't click with him. Kessel did, so if Horton is more of a "power" Kessel, we really may have something here.

    How Horton's skating? Or am I way off base here?

    But to answer the post, I'd be happy with a 30-30 guy (for this year).

     
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    30- 35 goals i predict a big year for Horton 
     
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    As long as the Bruins keep Savard, Horton will have a career year.

    I'm hoping for around 32 goals, 45-50 assists, maybe better if he really clicks w/Savvy and if the Bruins aren't dumb enough to let Savvy go.

    I definitely like the acquisition.
     
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    40 - 45 = 85
    Posted by No4BobbyOrr-GOAT


    Have you seen any of the Development Camp at Mile One yet???  I will be taking in a practice tomorrow morning if I can.

    I expect 30 outta Horton...
     
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    I'll be happy with 75pts and won't take $h!t from anyone one.
     
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    50-60-110

    Anything less is a bust.

    Bring back Wideman and #15 overall. PC got taken to the cleaners.

    and It's Jacobs fault.
     
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    82 Games.

    He has to stay healthy.
     
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    As long as the Bruins keep Savard, Horton will have a career year. I'm hoping for around 32 goals, 45-50 assists, maybe better if he really clicks w/Savvy and if the Bruins aren't dumb enough to let Savvy go. I definitely like the acquisition.
    Posted by TryToBearIt


    50 assists? really? hes our shooter.

    Lucic jumping from a career high of 17 to 40+ is somethig I'm not putting a bet on.

    a line of lucic krejci and horton could be really exciting. I like Lucic on Krejci's left but I would like more speed on his right
     
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    I've been convinced since the trade that Horton and Lucic will play with Kreji. Their games complement each other as we saw with Lucic/Kreji/Satan in the playoffs as Lucic was improving. Their skating complements each other, and Kreji is very good at controlling the puck and passing at the right time. Because of Seguin's speed, I see him fitting in with Savard and Wheeler. Pre-season camp may prove differently, but, in order to maximize Kreji's talents, Lucic and horton are perfect bookends.
    Posted by Bogie6


    ::picks up David's lost 'c'::

    It's Krejci, not Kreji.

    I'd rather see Horton with Savard. IMHO experience helps when you're on the ice with Savvy.
     
    And (in reply to another post) I don't get the notion that Savard is "cute" with his passes. I think it was Wideman who once said you always expect a pass when Savvy's on the ice, and he'll always put it on your tape. What's "cute" about that? It just means you'd better keep your head in the game.

     
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    I'm so happy to be rid of Wideman, I practically don't care what Horton does.  Anything more than 25 goals is gravy to me.

    I don't think that many people realize what a negative drain Wideman was/is.  In his best games he threw that one bad pass or one idiotic play that gave everyone a fright and made people work harder.  That takes a toll on the team's psyche even if they aren't really aware of it.  It hurts team confidence.

    I'm speaking from my own experience.  When things are going good, everybody seems to get this invincible thing going on, the worst players on the team over achieve, but are the most likely to make mistakes and everyone takes it in stride when they do and that doesn't hurt, but when one of your top players do something stupid or make that huge mistake it has a huge impact because the confidence factor is down.

    It's hard to explain and its a matter of consistency.  When you see a breakaway and you are confident in your goalie, yes, there is that feeling of panic, but that thought comes up that he's likely to make a save.  If he makes the save, the confidence grows.  If it ends up a goal, somehow you think well, its bad, but he made up for it a million other times.  But because you feel confident in him you think he will play better to make up for it, and that he can deliver.

    I don't know if people will get what I mean, even if they are experienced players.

    But I swear I saw the energy leave the building, the bench seemed to deflate after Wideman got a pass intercepted or otherwise did something stupid like not contain a puck at the blue line.  Momentum got lost.  It was like everything came to a stop and a new game started right there.
     
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    Isn't Horton's game really a more consistent Ryder? I mean, their both big strong wingers that are supposed to be strong on the puck and shooters. My only concern with Horton meshing with Savvy is Horton's speed. Ryder really didn't click with him. Kessel did, so if Horton is more of a "power" Kessel, we really may have something here. How Horton's skating? Or am I way off base here? But to answer the post, I'd be happy with a 30-30 guy (for this year).
    Posted by BigD7

    Ryder is 6ft 186 pounds.Horton is 6ft2 229 pounds.Ryder started Nhl career as a 23 year old.Horton had 5 seasons in by that age.Horton has a better chance to put up Neely-like numbers than Lucic.60 goals between them isn't a huge stretch(25 Lucic+35 Horton).That is what I expect from them actually.
     
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    BadHabitude...I know EXACLTY what you mean, great points!!  The exact reasonings why all GM's-Scouts-etc all talk about a glaring need from a D-man that makes a good first pass or outlet pass; its VITAL to the flow of the game & frustrates & deflates everyone on the team when these imstakes happen over & over again...everyone makes the errors, but consistantly it just kills the team!

    For the record I stated that Savard scares me when he gets too "cute" with his passes....its a known fault of his, granted he's a gifted passer, but if you believe he doesnt force passing lanes & has glaring turnovers by forcing the situation then I am certainly watching the game from a different persepctive.

     
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    I am suprised by everyone expecting instant career year out of the kid..I would expect he comes in hot, excited to be with a good team in a hockey city, and lights it up, of course then slumps, and then returns to his normal level of play, or slightly higher, as he is still developing so 62 points is what i expect, and would be happy with, as long as he continues to improve off that play.
     
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    BadHabitude...I know EXACLTY what you mean, great points!!  The exact reasonings why all GM's-Scouts-etc all talk about a glaring need from a D-man that makes a good first pass or outlet pass; its VITAL to the flow of the game & frustrates & deflates everyone on the team when these imstakes happen over & over again...everyone makes the errors, but consistantly it just kills the team! For the record I stated that Savard scares me when he gets too "cute" with his passes....its a known fault of his, granted he's a gifted passer, but if you believe he doesnt force passing lanes & has glaring turnovers by forcing the situation then I am certainly watching the game from a different persepctive.
    Posted by yep123

    you are absolutely right.As much as I like Savard,I thought he was one of our weakest players in the Flyer series(ot goal or not).It seemed like he was forcing passes through lanes that weren't there which caused a turnover every time he was on the ice.Knowing he was back from a serious injury,I will cut him some slack but I hope he can come back and simplify his game.Seemed like most of his mistakes were  a result of trying to do too much.
     
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    BadHabitude...I know EXACLTY what you mean, great points!!  The exact reasonings why all GM's-Scouts-etc all talk about a glaring need from a D-man that makes a good first pass or outlet pass; its VITAL to the flow of the game & frustrates & deflates everyone on the team when these imstakes happen over & over again...everyone makes the errors, but consistantly it just kills the team! For the record I stated that Savard scares me when he gets too "cute" with his passes....its a known fault of his, granted he's a gifted passer, but if you believe he doesnt force passing lanes & has glaring turnovers by forcing the situation then I am certainly watching the game from a different persepctive.
    Posted by yep123


    I'm with you on Savard.  And its a fine line between those cute passes being effective, and then if they are "too cute", they stop being effective.  In other words, too many cute passes mean that some of those passes didn't exist and people are finding him predictable.  One of those cute passes every once in a while is a thing of beauty since it gets people second guessing.
     
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    It all depends on how hard the guy works and his attitude. Horton has been an underachiever is whole career. His work ethic has never been good and he wasn't well liked in the locker room last season. He has a ton of talent, but talent won't do it alone. If he decides to put the work in to match his talent, he can score a lot. If he doesn't, he will just be another underachieving winger
     
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    In Response to Re: Expectations of Horton : you are absolutely right.As much as I like Savard,I thought he was one of our weakest players in the Flyer series(ot goal or not).It seemed like he was forcing passes through lanes that weren't there which caused a turnover every time he was on the ice.Knowing he was back from a serious injury,I will cut him some slack but I hope he can come back and simplify his game.Seemed like most of his mistakes were  a result of trying to do too much.
    Posted by dezaruchi


    Savard was nowhere near himself in that series. He played something like five minutes in the first game, easing back into the lineup; by game seven he was out there for 20 minutes. God yes, he was trying to do too much, obviously not in shape, physcially or mentally (how could he be?), trying desperately to make up for Kejci's absense.  

    Marc Savard shouldn't have been on the ice in that series, or at the most, should have been a PP specialist. That he battled his way back from a hideous injury and gave it everything he had speaks volumes about him. It drives me absolutely insane that there were actually "fans" who ripped him after the series. (I know you said you cut him some slack, but there are many who did not.) 

    When he's healthy, Savard's passes are second to none. Most turnovers (and it does happen now and again) that result do so because his teammate's not prepared. Oddly enough, the guys who often do the best with his feeds are Krejci and Bergeron - fellow centers who share PP time and understand the way he thinks.
     
     
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    It all depends on how hard the guy works and his attitude. Horton has been an underachiever is whole career. His work ethic has never been good and he wasn't well liked in the locker room last season. He has a ton of talent, but talent won't do it alone. If he decides to put the work in to match his talent, he can score a lot. If he doesn't, he will just be another underachieving winger
    Posted by lordy4


    Source?

    Cripes, if I was a serious hockey player in Florida I just might go take a long walk off a short dock.
     
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    Unlike some posters I do believe some players have leadership or character.  These players may have an influence in the locker room, the bench, or just with their ability to execute (not Wideman, like Bourque).  That said if a player starts to score or pass effectively whether or not he is a leader or character does not matter.  Winning games is the best elixir (correct duinne?) for team work!
     
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    Unlike some posters I do believe some players have leadership or character.  These players may have an influence in the locker room, the bench, or just with their ability to execute (not Wideman, like Bourque).  That said if a player starts to score or pass effectively whether or not he is a leader or character does not matter.  Winning games is the best elixir (correct duinne?) for team work!
    Posted by islamorada


    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/elixir

    It sure is.

    It was either Socrates or maye Dennis Eckersley who said "Winning makes getting along a whole lot easier."
     
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    Yeah, I get those two mixed up all the time.  Must be the facial hair and the fact that Socrates led the Peloponnesian league in wins for three years and then in saves five years running.  Who was it said they're doing a doctorate in Classics?  Can you confirm those stats?  I found the game sheets, but I can't read them.

    Look, I think the best point here is BadHab's: sometimes you have to try something crazy that no one expects because if you hit it, you win, and if you don't, you still probably play games with the opponent's head, and that's a win too.  But Savard will sometimes pass up the high-percentage play to see if the lower-percentage play will develop - in fact, that's the biggest difference I saw in his game last year vs. two years ago. He held the puck longer looking to set up his wingers in can't miss situations rather than getting it to them in space and seeing what they could do.  That's a bigger issue.  And for whatever it's worth in the Flyers series, I saw him mis-read plays or ignore the way a play was developing because he wanted the puck.  He actually stripped Lucic in the slot on one play after Lucic had bulled out from behind the net. 

    I've written before that I don't think he's the kind of guy who makes trigger-men better, but he can help really good shooters get the chances they need when the chemistry is innate.  If the chemistry exists, then great.  If not, he's not able to nurture it.  He is what he is; he does what he does.
     
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