Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him?

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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : Because the Flyers have just signed Nik Zherdev which puts the Flyers about 1.4 over the cap.
    Posted by bosfan581


    They have the option to trade him.  The deadline isn't for about eight months.
     
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    he's not going on waivers...he has trade value.  some gm's will like the fact that he has only 1 yr left on his deal, because it means that there is not that much in bringing him in .  He's worth a 2nd and a 4th at least.
    Posted by Drewski5


    Gagne has no trade value or he would have been traded already. Cap hit + oft injured means Philly will have to move someone they don't want too.

    Holmgren still has not addressed there most glaring weakness. Turco, Leighton and Boucher are not the answers the Flyers will suffer for it.
     
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    Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him?

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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : Gagne has no trade value or he would have been traded already. Cap hit + oft injured means Philly will have to move someone they don't want too. Holmgren still has not addressed there most glaring weakness. Turco, Leighton and Boucher are not the answers the Flyers will suffer for it.
    Posted by SanDogBrewin


    It's been 11 days.  They have into September to find the right deal.  Health issues might cause a lower return, but guys who are close to a point per game when healthy have plenty of trade value.
     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : It's been 11 days.  They have into September to find the right deal.  Health issues might cause a lower return, but guys who are close to a point per game when healthy have plenty of trade value. Posted by Not-A-Shot


    No GM is going to pay a very talented oft injured player to sit in the press box. Holmgren will have to move someone else. Gagne is never healthy and for that price he isn't going anywhere. You proved my point in bold, Thanks
     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : No GM is going to pay a very talented oft injured player to sit in the press box. Holmgren will have to move someone else. Gagne is never healthy and for that price he isn't going anywhere. You proved my point in bold, Thanks
    Posted by SanDogBrewin


    Your point will be proven when he goes on waivers.

    I'll bookmark this thread, and when the outcome of Gagne is determined, we'll discuss it further.
     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : Because the Flyers have just signed Nik Zherdev which puts the Flyers about 1.4 over the cap.
    Posted by bosfan581


    I have a problem with this.   His injury last season was a broken bone and that can happen to anyone. Just plain bad luck.
    The Flyers are making a mistake in this trade off. Sure when and they will get rid of Gagne they'll have a bit more cap space but Zherdev ???  When this guy disappears during the season ..... the playoffs .....
    Without Gagne the Flyers don't beat the Bruins this past playoffs. 
    Trying to be the least bias as possible on this topic although this trade off will prove my point during the up coming season.
    Only thing now ,  the Flyers will lose negotiating powers. All the other GM's now know the Flyers are handicapped. I still don't think Gagne will be let go for nothing.
     
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    Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him?

    A few things that work in the Flyers' favour: this is the last year of Gagne's deal; we're about to get into the deperate season when teams realize their ideal team-building options aren't going to work out and they have to decide if they want to take a chance and how much risk they can accept; Gagne's salary is partially covered if he does go back on LTIR; the Flyers aren't likely to be looking for equivalent value for a player they need to move for cap reasons.

    I wouldn't mind the Bruins taking a shot with Gagne - he's a big game player despite an underwhelming finals.  It would take some very fancy footwork to make that happen, though - definitely convincing the cryptkeeper to hide Ryder in the minors and dealing either Savard or Thomas somewhere other than Philly.  That starts to sound pretty high-risk.

    On the subject of waivers: anyone know if you have to pass a player through waivers a second time if you don't transfer his contract?  I didn't see it when I looked for the re-entry waiver info above, but I may have just missed it.  I know some teams have exposed players to waivers then kept them on the NHL roster.
     
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    A few things that work in the Flyers' favour: this is the last year of Gagne's deal; we're about to get into the deperate season when teams realize their ideal team-building options aren't going to work out and they have to decide if they want to take a chance and how much risk they can accept; Gagne's salary is partially covered if he does go back on LTIR; the Flyers aren't likely to be looking for equivalent value for a player they need to move for cap reasons. I wouldn't mind the Bruins taking a shot with Gagne - he's a big game player despite an underwhelming finals.  It would take some very fancy footwork to make that happen, though - definitely convincing the cryptkeeper to hide Ryder in the minors and dealing either Savard or Thomas somewhere other than Philly.  That starts to sound pretty high-risk. On the subject of waivers: anyone know if you have to pass a player through waivers a second time if you don't transfer his contract?  I didn't see it when I looked for the re-entry waiver info above, but I may have just missed it.  I know some teams have exposed players to waivers then kept them on the NHL roster.
    Posted by Bookboy007


    You can put them on waivers and not assign them to the minors.  It's your choice.

    As for the LTIR giving you relief, it doesn't give you full value for the time missed.  Look at Savard last year.  He missed 41 games, half the season, yet we only got 33 days of LTIR relief.  That's 33 days of 193.  The math is not in the team's favor. 
     
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    No, not if you're expecting a total safety net, but the team has to assume some risk.  That's essentially my point in the first half of the post - who's out there and available for a reasonable price - both in terms of assets you'd have to give up and cash against the cap - who could make a significant impact?  If you're a team that feels it's a 30 goal scorer away from a real Cup run, you might take a shot at Gagne knowing that LTIR will at least give you the relief to cover a top prospect getting a shot if Simon goes down with another injury.  That might be your choice anyway - Gagne or that top prospect who might not really be ready.

     
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    Gagné may work as a plan B for the team that looses the Kovalchuk courtship.
     
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    NO  Bruins won't sign him  they are up tight vs the cap if you did not notice they will resign campbell,wheels  and start season
     
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    NO  Bruins won't sign him  they are up tight vs the cap if you did not notice they will resign campbell,wheels  and start season
    Posted by mrbruin4


    Seguin also needs a contract.  I don't see him going back to junior and we aren't wasting a year of his RFA status having him play in Providence.
     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : Seguin also needs a contract.  I don't see him going back to junior and we aren't wasting a year of his RFA status having him play in Providence.
    Posted by Raskman


    Raskman, it's been said a thousand times in the past 3 weeks that Seguin cannot play in Providence this season because of his age. If he does not make the Bruins he IS going back to Plymouth in the OHL. That's the only two options this year. Pay attention, your better than that.
     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : Raskman, it's been said a thousand times in the past 3 weeks that Seguin cannot play in Providence this season because of his age. If he does not make the Bruins he IS going back to Plymouth in the OHL. That's the only two options this year. Pay attention, your better than that.
    Posted by Reilly24


    Actually he has to be offered to his junior club before he would be allowed to play in the minors.  Obviously they wouldn't say no to him returning.

    8.7 Age 18 and 19 Players.

    (a) During the first two seasons next succeeding the draft of an age 18 Player,

    the Club he signs an SPC with must first offer him to the club from which he was claimed before it may Loan him.


    Is that good enough for you?
     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : Actually he has to be offered to his junior club before he would be allowed to play in the minors.  Obviously they wouldn't say no to him returning. 8.7 Age 18 and 19 Players. (a) During the first two seasons next succeeding the draft of an age 18 Player, the Club he signs an SPC with must first offer him to the club from which he was claimed before it may Loan him. Is that good enough for you?
    Posted by Raskman


    The Bruins have said he's either playing in Boston or Plymouth. Seguin has said he's either playing in Boston or Plymouth. That is good enough for me. He will not play in Providence and that is a fact.
     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : Actually he has to be offered to his junior club before he would be allowed to play in the minors.  Obviously they wouldn't say no to him returning. 8.7 Age 18 and 19 Players. (a) During the first two seasons next succeeding the draft of an age 18 Player, the Club he signs an SPC with must first offer him to the club from which he was claimed before it may Loan him. Is that good enough for you?
    Posted by Raskman

    Where are you quoting this?  I've never heard of that provision.

    As far as I know, and from everything I've read, if there's Junior eligibility left the player must return to the OHL and cannot play in the AHL (except at the end of the OHL season when the team is out of the playoffs.  This is NOT an AHL rule but a rule between the CHL and the NHL.

    Seguin would have to go back to Plymouth if the Bruins elect not to keep him up with the team.
     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : The Bruins have said he's either playing in Boston or Plymouth. Seguin has said he's either playing in Boston or Plymouth. That is good enough for me. He will not play in Providence and that is a fact.
    Posted by Reilly24


    Well, I believe you said he couldn't play in Providence because of his age and then mocked my CBA knowledge.  I'm just proving my point.
     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : Where are you quoting this?  I've never heard of that provision. As far as I know, and from everything I've read, if there's Junior eligibility left the player must return to the OHL and cannot play in the AHL (except at the end of the OHL season when the team is out of the playoffs.  This is NOT an AHL rule but a rule between the CHL and the NHL. Seguin would have to go back to Plymouth if the Bruins elect not to keep him up with the team.
    Posted by LoveRealHockey


    Copied and pasted right from the CBA.  Let's face facts, I can't see a situtation that the Whalers would say no to having him back so it's a moot point.
     
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    Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him?

    I'm assuming Raskman is quoting the CBA, Article 8.7 covering loans of players to teams in other leagues (i.e. sending them  down), and specificially in this instance the loan of players 18 and 19 years of age.

    You never hear it quoted in this fashion because no jr. team in its right mind would say thanks but no thanks.  If the kid is good enough to get drafted, he's probably good enough that, even if you don't want him, someone in your league will.
     
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    I'm just telling you to stop mentioning the possibility of Seguin playing in the minors because it's not a possibility and everyone knows it except you.
     
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    My original point that flew over most people's heads was that we wouldn't waste a year of him playing pro hockey and not be on the big club.  At his age he can only play 11 games and then it counts as a "pro" year of hockey and it puts him one year closer to UFA status. 
     
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    I'm just telling you to stop mentioning the possibility of Seguin playing in the minors because it's not a possibility and everyone knows it except you.
    Posted by Reilly24


    Actually, as shown in this thread, it is a possibility.  It's probability is low, but the possibility exists.
     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : Actually, as shown in this thread, it is a possibility.  It's probability is low, but the possibility exists.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot


    Yah it's also possible that I will have sex with Megan Fox this year because we are both alive and we are both human. About the same odds NAS.
     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : Copied and pasted right from the CBA.  Let's face facts, I can't see a situtation that the Whalers would say no to having him back so it's a moot point.
    Posted by Raskman

    I stand corrected Raskman.  My apologies.....

    Your quote from the CBA and it's implications are correct.

    So I guess an 18 year old player could theortically go to the AHL instead of going back to their OHL club (if they decide not to take him back for whatever reason).


     
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    In Response to Re: Gagne on waiver's soon...Will Bruins attempt to get him? : I stand corrected Raskman.  My apologies..... Your quote from the CBA and it's implications are correct. So I guess an 18 year old player could theortically go to the AHL instead of going back to their OHL club (if they decide not to take him back for whatever reason).
    Posted by LoveRealHockey


    Even if you didn't have to give a player back to junior, what advantage is there in them playing in the minors?  None.  I'm not sure if I like Seguin going to the OHL for the whole season, but I'd love to see him get a chance to play in the World Juniors.  Bergy blossomed after playing there and I think Tyler should get the same opportunity.

    This thread is way off topic.
     
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