Re: great hockey
posted at 9/4/2010 3:46 AM EDT
In Response to Re: great hockey
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: great hockey : All of Savard's high scoring wingers (Kovalchuk, Heatley, Hossa, Murray, Kessel) have been successful without him, but Savard hasn't made any wingers successful. The B's have put plenty of different wingers with him that have failed to score like the superstars. Has Savard just been the luckiest center in the history of hockey?
Posted by Not-A-Shot[/QUOTE]
Do you really think he was the center for these scorers because he was lucky? I suppose Spezza and Thornton are lucky too, since they've also centered Heatley? I suppose Murray and Heatley and Samsonov made Thornton successful too, right? Crosby, Malkin, Datsyuk and Zetterberg were lucky because of Hossa? I suppose the Bruins went after Savard in free agency because they thought he was totally lucky to have put up so many points? They must have also signed him to a long term contract because they thought he was lucky, right? Right.
In Savard's first three seasons with the Bruins, he had 74, 63, and 63 assists with a variety of wingers. As of early February 2009, he had the fifth-highest point total since the lockout with 331 points, behind Thornton, Ovechkin, Crosby and Heatley. The only winger I see on there that Savard centered was Heatley, but Heatley was a Senator at the time.
In 2007, Savard was 3rd in league assists behind Thornton and Crosby. Murray had 28 goals in 59 games that year, Sturm had 27, and Kessel had 11. The year before that, with Thornton centering Murray, Murray had 24 goals in 64 games. Murray had more goals in fewer games playing with Savard.
In 2008, Savard was 3rd behind Thornton and Datsyuk. Murray was gone, and Sturm had 27 goals again, while Kessel had 19.
In 2009, he was 6th in the league behind Malkin, Crosby, Getzlaf, Backstrom and Datsyuk, and just ahead of Thornton by 2 points. Kessel finally broke out that year for 36 goals.
Your constant arguments that Savard is not a number one center, and that he doesn't make the players around him any better doesn't hold any water. If you dislike him for other reasons, that's fine, but don't claim that he's the product of his wingers, just because they've had success without him. To suggest that his success has been solely the result of his wingers or blind luck is absurd. If anyone in the NHL thought that was the case, Savard would be unemployed, don't you think?