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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 4:23 PM EDT

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    If it were not for Recchi, the Bs probably would NOT have even been in the playoffs last year so yeah, let's trade that for an unproven rookie. And who showed up in the playoffs??? Anyone??? Beuhler?? Adding youth will make us a cup contender? I think you fools really underestimate the value of having a future HOF player on the team that STILL PRODUCES  (and for bargain $$) , not to mention his ability to mentor the next franchise player (in Hall or Seguin) for this team.
    Posted by bridgemanusa


    Yeah, Recchi sure came through in the playoffs.  His leadership was key in winning the seventh game of the second round both years.

    Gotta love having a veteran like Recchi around.  He did a wonderful job propelling the team to a sixth place finish last season.
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 4:26 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins. : Yeah, Recchi sure came through in the playoffs. Posted by Not-A-Shot


    OK Smart guy. How about that "youth" Wheeler and Sabotka brought? How did they contribute?
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 4:38 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins. : OK Smart guy. How about that "youth" Wheeler and Sabotka brought? How did they contribute?
    Posted by bridgemanusa


    That's not the subject.  The subject is Recchi and his wonderous veteran powers.


     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 4:42 PM EDT

    Recchi checking line again with Berg and hits 15-18 goals, 30-35 assists with a scoring winger not Pail.

    Good line to start #10 Saygen with, he learns checking role, gets valuable experience with Recchi a la Stamkos and plays with player that has a work ethic for him to learn by in Berg and who is also a great playmaker (85 breakaway passes to Pail last year) and will play lots of mins in Cj's system.
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 4:45 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins. : That's not the subject.  The subject is Recchi and his wonderous veteran powers.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot


    So the fact that Recchi out-performed most of the "youth and speed" on this team is not the issue?
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 4:53 PM EDT

    I like Recchi as much as the next guy, but I hate when I see people make the point that 15-20 goal scorers are important. Heck, the Bruins have cornered the market on 15-20 goal scorers for the past three decades. We need an infusion of talent to win a Cup. 
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 4:58 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins. : PJ Axelsson, Aaron Ward, Manny Fernandez, Stephane Yelle may disagree.
    Posted by GillesGilbert



    QFT

    And comparing Recchi, a guy that has gotten 700+ goals and 21 last season, to the average aging vet is just a false comparison

    Recchi has plenty of intangibles, the least of which is leadership. He called out the Bruins plenty of times last season when they were half-assing it. I haven't seen anyone do that in Boston in years. People have said "the bruins blew a 3-0 lead, therefore their leaders aren't a leader" it's another false argument. It takes a full team effort to blow a 3-0 lead, it takes a goalie that isn't standing on his head anymore and losing two of your best offensive players to injury while your opponent gains two of their best offensive players back from injury. 

    I see Recchi posting up in front of Chara slapshots trying for tips more than any other bruin. He goes into the areas of the ice that other players won't. He stood up to Pronger while the rest of our wingers shy'd away from the corners. It was unreal to see how many cross-checks to the back Recchi endured that series in front of the net. How about his amazing hit in the race to the puck in the corners in the Sabres series?

    Man some people are fickle, one minute they love a guy, next minute they hate him. 

    Recchi can't carry a team anymore, in fact, he never really did. But he's a piece of the puzzle and I'm happy to have him back. And you know what we are paying him??? 1 MILLION DOLLARS! are you kidding? you know what ridiculous produciton that is? I certainly think he has good chemistry with bergeron, and that line could really improve with another savvy winger.

    The same people that will tell you to get rid of Recchi are the same people that whine and moan about the salary cap. we are up against. Good luck finding another Recchi out there GOOD LUCK.
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 5:00 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins. : So the fact that Recchi out-performed most of the "youth and speed" on this team is not the issue?
    Posted by bridgemanusa


    Krejci and Bergeron are both young and have some speed.  Didn't outperform them.

    You're confusing your own point.  You've stated that many of us "fools" underestimate the value of his presence.  What has it done for the Bruins?  Two second round exits...in a row...with him on the team.  Those loses are in no way his fault, and I'm not blaming him, but if he's such a great leader and wonderful influence, wouldn't something have been a little different?

    Mr. Veteran Leadership.  What good did it do when they slept through the majority of the season?  Where was his influence during the 10 game losing streak?  What impact did he have while they were losing game after game to Philly in Round 2?  Where was his influence at all last year?  Or any time as a Bruin?

    (If he's such a valuable leader and wonderful mentor to the younger players, it's a bit contradictory to bash the younger players for poor performances.)
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 8:00 PM EDT

    If Recchi resigns there is no way Wheeler can be brought back if PC has hopes to insert Seguin/Hall into the lineup next year. Nobody in boston wants to wait for them to dress (though they need to earn it also)

    I think its better to resign Recchi after figuring out who will draft.
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 10:15 PM EDT

    EXCELLENT !

    We need Recchi's kind of leadership on the Bruins to mentor our youth movement, and motivate this heartless bunch that Chiapet is trying to assemble.  

    Regardless of how ancient this fossilized Marcosaurus Rex is, we need more players like him that actually register a pulse game in and game out.  
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 10:27 PM EDT

    I love Recchi on the powerplay.   Not so much even strength.  Recchi getting mostly powerplay time and splitting time with someone else even strength sounds ideal to me.  Surely Campbell or someone else could handle 4th line wing with a few additional shifts on the 3rd line wing a period.
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/23/2010 11:51 PM EDT

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    EXCELLENT ! We need Recchi's kind of leadership on the Bruins to mentor our youth movement, and motivate this heartless bunch that Chiapet is trying to assemble.   Regardless of how ancient this fossilized Marcosaurus Rex is, we need more players like him that actually register a pulse game in and game out.  
    Posted by RMiller87


    How did that wiley veteran do last season with the youth movement and the pulse? 
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 12:43 AM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins. : How did that wiley veteran do last season with the youth movement and the pulse? 
    Posted by Not-A-Shot


    Not too shabby, thanks !

    I'd happily give Rex another $1 Million contract this season if he simply calls out all of those Black and Gold nare do wells like Ryder and Horton, and shakes them up a bit.

    Best money that the Bruins will likely spend this off season !
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 12:55 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.:
    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins. : Not too shabby, thanks ! I'd happily give Rex another $1 Million contract this season if he simply calls out all of those Black and Gold nare do wells like Ryder and Horton, and shakes them up a bit. Best money that the Bruins will likely spend this off season !
    Posted by RMiller87


    I didn't see Ryder performing well last season with Mr. Veteran Motivator in the locker room last season.  I don't know why this season would be different.
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 11:02 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.:
    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins. : Krejci and Bergeron are both young and have some speed.  Didn't outperform them. You're confusing your own point.  You've stated that many of us "fools" underestimate the value of his presence.  What has it done for the Bruins?  Two second round exits...in a row...with him on the team.  Those loses are in no way his fault, and I'm not blaming him, but if he's such a great leader and wonderful influence, wouldn't something have been a little different? Mr. Veteran Leadership.  What good did it do when they slept through the majority of the season?  Where was his influence during the 10 game losing streak?  What impact did he have while they were losing game after game to Philly in Round 2?  Where was his influence at all last year?  Or any time as a Bruin? (If he's such a valuable leader and wonderful mentor to the younger players, it's a bit contradictory to bash the younger players for poor performances.)
    Posted by Not-A-Shot



    To be honest nos, you're confusing your own point too.   You say you don't blame Recchi for the teams woes over the last couple of years, then your next line says "if he's such a great leader, and wonderful influence, wouldn't something have been a little different?" 
    That's blaming him.
    I don't understand why you think bringing Recchi back is such a ridiculous, terrible, idiotic, irrational, insane, option.
    Nobody is suggesting he's the second coming, some kind of cure all, or someone with "wondrous' powers.  Many just buy into the leadership thing(which came from the players and management, not us), and also believe around 1 mil, for a guy who will probably score 15-23, is money well spent.
    Forget about age, just consider net performance.  I'm with you.  If there's a 23 year old out there, that will work the dirty area's, bring the intangibles that the "organization", has deemed important, score 20, and sign for a million......then forget Recchi.
    I think that's fairly difficult to do, and believe Recchi and his agent would agree with me.  Just my opinion, but I'd be surprised if there aren't a half dozen teams out there, who will gladly pony up a pretty hefty raise over last year, and they're all contenders.(a significant raise would put him in the 1.3-1.5 range, which is roster pocket change).  Unless he's totally, absolutely thrilled with this organization, I'd be surprised to see him back.  I think Recchi's gonna have some interesting options, to close out his career.
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 11:11 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.:
    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins. : To be honest nos, you're confusing your own point too.   You say you don't blame Recchi for the teams woes over the last couple of years, then your next line says "if he's such a great leader, and wonderful influence, wouldn't something have been a little different?"  That's blaming him. I don't understand why you think bringing Recchi back is such a ridiculous, terrible, idiotic, irrational, insane, option. Nobody is suggesting he's the second coming, some kind of cure all, or someone with "wondrous' powers.  Many just buy into the leadership thing(which came from the players and management, not us), and also believe around 1 mil, for a guy who will probably score 15-23, is money well spent. Forget about age, just consider net performance.  I'm with you.  If there's a 23 year old out there, that will work the dirty area's, bring the intangibles that the "organization", has deemed important, score 20, and sign for a million......then forget Recchi. I think that's fairly difficult to do, and believe Recchi and his agent would agree with me.  Just my opinion, but I'd be surprised if there aren't a half dozen teams out there, who will gladly pony up a pretty hefty raise over last year, and they're all contenders.(a significant raise would put him in the 1.3-1.5 range, which is roster pocket change).  Unless he's totally, absolutely thrilled with this organization, I'd be surprised to see him back.  I think Recchi's gonna have some interesting options, to close out his career.
    Posted by stevegm


    I'm not confusing my own point.  I don't blame Recchi for the team's woes because I don't buy into the whole "his aura makes the team better" theory.  For those that continue to hang their hat on that theory, I ask where this so called veteran motivational factor was last season while they slept through the majority of the season.

    Here's my biggest problem with returning Recchi:  The team doesn't get better, and it doesn't even have a chance to get better. 
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 11:24 AM EDT

    Umm, if Mark Recchi is on your 4th line, you'll have the best 4th line in hockey.  He's also a force on the PP down low.

    Absolutely resign him for all the intangibles as well.
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 11:35 AM EDT

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    Umm, if Mark Recchi is on your 4th line, you'll have the best 4th line in hockey.  He's also a force on the PP down low. Absolutely resign him for all the intangibles as well.
    Posted by russgriswold


    Umm, he's not.  He's a third line player in Boston. 

    He had eight goals and five assists while putting in the most PP minutes for any forward on the team last season.  Is that the force you're talking about?  Umm that doesn't seem very good to me.  Umm, are you sure we're talking about the same player?  Umm, we're talking about Mark Recchi on the Boston Bruins.  Umm, is that the same person you're talking about?
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 11:49 AM EDT

    As much as he played "well" in the playoffs, he had fairly pedestrian stats in the regular season and being a year older doesnt help him. 

    I would not resign him.  I would much rather see some youth brought into the line-up (Caron?) as opposed to having Recchi take up a spot. 
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 12:14 PM EDT

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    As much as he played "well" in the playoffs, he had fairly pedestrian stats in the regular season and being a year older doesnt help him.  I would not resign him.  I would much rather see some youth brought into the line-up (Caron?) as opposed to having Recchi take up a spot. 
    Posted by guyo77


    Actually his regular season stats were "outstanding" for a player with a cap hit of 1 mil. 
    Remember, this is a pretty young team already(Bergeron, Lucic, Krejki, Hall/Seguin, Sobotka, Hunwick etc.)
    Agree you don't just sign someone for leadership qualities, and also agree that the young guys need opportunity.  Just feel that 1milish is money well spent.  Make those young guys earn their spot....force them to be better, and if that happens reduce Recchi's minutes.
    I just don't see the downside if it's a one year, for comparable money.  
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 12:18 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.:
    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins. : Actually his regular season stats were "outstanding" for a player with a cap hit of 1 mil.  Remember, this is a pretty young team already(Bergeron, Lucic, Krejki, Hall/Seguin, Sobotka, Hunwick etc.) Agree you don't just sign someone for leadership qualities, and also agree that the young guys need opportunity.  Just feel that 1milish is money well spent.  Make those young guys earn their spot....force them to be better, and if that happens reduce Recchi's minutes. I just don't see the downside if it's a one year, for comparable money.  
    Posted by stevegm


    this^^^^
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 12:28 PM EDT

    Have any of you heard the comments Stamkos made about Recchi?  You know, the ones saying that Recchi is a great guy and was a great mentor for him in his first year.
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 12:36 PM EDT

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    Have any of you heard the comments Stamkos made about Recchi?  You know, the ones saying that Recchi is a great guy and was a great mentor for him in his first year.
    Posted by beantowngm15


    It's a nice story, and the ultimate fallback for people who want to bring Recchi back.  Stamkos is filled to the brim with skill.

    How did Mr. Mentor do with any of the young guys presently on the B's?
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 12:51 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.:
    In Response to Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins. : I'm not confusing my own point.  I don't blame Recchi for the team's woes because I don't buy into the whole "his aura makes the team better" theory.  For those that continue to hang their hat on that theory, I ask where this so called veteran motivational factor was last season while they slept through the majority of the season. Here's my biggest problem with returning Recchi:  The team doesn't get better, and it doesn't even have a chance to get better. 
    Posted by Not-A-Shot


    Can't disagree that maybe some put too much emphsis on his "aura", but that's never been my point.  I think it's perfectly reasonable to suggest that Recchi made the team better last year.  He scored 18, had a decent playoff, and did that earning NHL lunch money.  Looking back, I fail to see where the organizations youth could have remotely matched that, and I don't see where the team could have invested 1 mil any more wisely.  He's probably the only Bruin that even came close to matching expectation, and it's only fair to base his contribution on his salary.
    I'm of the opinion that he can closely replicate his overall 09/10 contribution.  If he can't.....that's a whole different story.  I'd like to see him back, but only at a comparable salary.
     

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    Re: Mark Recchi says he's close to a deal with Bruins.

    posted at 6/24/2010 1:00 PM EDT

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    Looking back, I fail to see where the organizations youth could have remotely matched that, and I don't see where the team could have invested 1 mil any more wisely.
    Posted by stevegm



    Bingo.  If this guy didn't have an ounce of leadership, he would've still been one of the most cost effective players on the B's last year, surpassed IMHO by only Rask.  I don't see the need to turn him away if he wants to come back at a similar price.

    For those who believe he's clogging the road for the youngsters.  You don't develop youngster's by handing them roster spots you develop them by making them compete to earn opportunities.  There will be opportunities next year with or without Recchi on this team.