Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

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    Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    According to TSN, the Bruins are receiving offers in excess of a 1st, 2nd & 3rd round pick for Kessel.  I'm not sure what offers Chiarelli is receiving, but I would love the be a fly on the wall.  Several teams are interested in Phil Kessel, not just the Leafs.  If a team really wants Phil Kessel, then they need to make a serious offer to the B's, or they may find themselves in a bidding war with several teams in October.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    My thinking is that we are on the door step on a Bruins dynasty.
    If picks plus is coming from the Leafs, this is a good thing because I believe the Leafs are going nowhere fast, even with Kessel.

    True, draft picks are a big gamble and there are all kinds of examples of first rounders that never made it, but it happens a lot less than with high picks.

    True, there will be guys like Kessel who will walk, but for every Kessel there is a Krejci and a Recchi that will sign for below market value to stay with this team.

    I think this is a good thing.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    Yes picks are very important and come along with great leverage.
    Why do you think the Leafs or any other team did not put an offer on the table for Kessel yet.  No team wants to lose 3-4 picks. They're too valuable.
    Bruins played this very well,  what they probably offered Kessel is close if not
    4million. This forces teams to bid pretty much higher for Kessel . What has this strategy done ....  well it ups the amount of picks the Bruins can get if they do not match any offer sheet.
    Good job Bruins Management !
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

       Forget about picks. Chiarelli should use this crappy situation to try and WIN this year! You want to talk reasonable BIG trade scenarios. How about this?...Trade KESSEL & WIDEMAN to Nashville for SHEA WEBER & COLIN WILSON...I think this works for both sides.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    Kessel is NOT going to be a 50 goal scorer without a setup man like Savard. Most of Kessel's goals were dishes from Savard. He probably had about 5 self-made goals all year. Granted, when he DID them, they were spectacular, but they don't ask HOW you score them... just how many. There isn't anyone on the Leafs this year that can dish the puck near Savard's capabilities. With a step back in the talent around him, but a year better and a full healthy season, I'd say he's likely to score about as many as this year, but 50 is NOT in sight. The Leafs are going to be a digging, working team without much talent up front, and that's not Kessel's style. If anything he'll REALLY pay off for them down the road once they acquire a few more pieves.

    In any case, if this whole "secondary swap with Florida" business holds any water, I'd love to see:

    Booth—Savard—Wheeler
    Sturm—Bergeron—Recchi
    Lucic—Krejci—Ryder
    Thornton—Begin—Bitz

     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    PC needs to get bodies, not all picks. By some accounts, 2010 and 2011 are shaping up to be weak drafts. IMO, unless he can move Kessel to a team that will likely finish in the bottom 5 during the regular season it's not worth it. I'd rather get a couple of top prospects as opposed to the picks. Even with a couple of picks in each of the first 3 rounds I doubt they'll be able to move up into the top 5.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    In Response to Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.:
    [QUOTE]My thinking is that we are on the door step on a Bruins dynasty. Posted by BadHabitude[/QUOTE]

    LMFAO you have got to be kidding me? This team under achieves last year in the playoffs, on the verge of losing thier top goal scorer for a few hit or miss draft pics that could be a few years away from having a chance at making this roster.

    You do realize that usually just the first 1-5 picks in the FIRST round usually make the NHL right away right? This isn't the NFL.

    So trading Kessel away for picks and the Bruins are on the verge of a DYNASTY????????

    Put your pom poms down and step away from the computer
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    In Response to Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel. : LMFAO you have got to be kidding me? This team under achieves last year in the playoffs, on the verge of losing thier top goal scorer for a few hit or miss draft pics that could be a few years away from having a chance at making this roster. You do realize that usually just the first 1-5 picks in the FIRST round usually make the NHL right away right? This isn't the NFL. So trading Kessel away for picks and the Bruins are on the verge of a DYNASTY???????? Put your pom poms down and step away from the computer
    Posted by PatsSoxCeltsNo1[/QUOTE]

    Predictions in sports are always a chancy thing; I wouldn't say with certainty that any NHL team will become a dynasty, but you are very much undervaluing and underestmating this team and organization.

    First of all, you can be fairly certain that if Kessel does go, it won't be for "a few hit or miss draft picks." It appears a bidding war is building for Kessel, and I'd guess the Bruins will, if they choose to do so, get a pretty good return for him.

    Secondly, "Underachieving in the playoffs" is pretty harsh for a team that, at the beginning of the season, was expected (hoped) to win at least one playoff series (win one series, and we'll give you respect! - that's what I heard all last fall). Expecting a team full of youngsters who had next-to-no playoff experience to sail to a Stanley Cup is a pretty tall order. Most teams (see the Penguins) who win Cups take at least a couple of years of playoff experience to work their way to a Cup.

    And that doesn't even take into account the injuries: Kessel's shoulder, Krejci's hip, Savard's knee, Recchi's kidney, Hunwick's spleen, Sturm's knee, Kobasew's ribs, Lucic's foot, Ference's groin, Bitz's ribs, Chara's shoulder/groin/knee. Sure, every team has injuries, but even the most virulent Bruins hater has to admit they were next to crippled. If Pavel Datsyuk's foot injury can be blamed (in THN) for the Red Wings losing the Cup, certainly the Bruins' injuries can be deemed at least a factor in their loss?

    Thirdly, the Bruins have half a dozen 20-goal scorers on their squad, even without Kessel. They have the reigning Norris, Vezina and Adams award winners. They have one of the best goalie prospects in the world, who's all of 21 years old, and a budding superstar in David Krejci. Not to mention other VERY young, strong guys like Lucic, Wheeler and Hunwick. They have several kids in Providence who are going to be knocking on Boston's door this year, and more in the pipeline in Juniors and college (saw Joe Colbourne at rookie camp this year and he looked great, and Ryan Button is, IMHO, the real thing).

    There are certainly "ifs." They need a few more defensive prospects. Patrice Bergeron geting back to his pre-injury state would be HUGE (remember, he's still only 24). Good health of course is critical. But to simply, laughably dismiss the notion that this could be a dynastic team is misguided.  
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel. : Predictions in sports are always a chancy thing; I wouldn't say with certainty that any NHL team will become a dynasty, but you are very much undervaluing and underestmating this team and organization. First of all, you can be fairly certain that if Kessel does go, it won't be for "a few hit or miss draft picks." It appears a bidding war is building for Kessel, and I'd guess the Bruins will, if they choose to do so, get a pretty good return for him. Secondly, "Underachieving in the playoffs" is pretty harsh for a team that, at the beginning of the season, was expected (hoped) to win at least one playoff series (win one series, and we'll give you respect! - that's what I heard all last fall). Expecting a team full of youngsters who had next-to-no playoff experience to sail to a Stanley Cup is a pretty tall order. Most teams (see the Penguins) who win Cups take at least a couple of years of playoff experience to work their way to a Cup. And that doesn't even take into account the injuries: Kessel's shoulder, Krejci's hip, Savard's knee, Recchi's kidney, Hunwick's spleen, Sturm's knee, Kobasew's ribs, Lucic's foot, Ference's groin, Bitz's ribs, Chara's shoulder/groin/knee. Sure, every team has injuries, but even the most virulent Bruins hater has to admit they were next to crippled. If Pavel Datsyuk's foot injury can be blamed (in THN) for the Red Wings losing the Cup, certainly the Bruins' injuries can be deemed at least a factor in their loss? Thirdly, the Bruins have half a dozen 20-goal scorers on their squad, even without Kessel. They have the reigning Norris, Vezina and Adams award winners. They have one of the best goalie prospects in the world, who's all of 21 years old, and a budding superstar in David Krejci. Not to mention other VERY young, strong guys like Lucic, Wheeler and Hunwick. They have several kids in Providence who are going to be knocking on Boston's door this year, and more in the pipeline in Juniors and college (saw Joe Colbourne at rookie camp this year and he looked great, and Ryan Button is, IMHO, the real thing). There are certainly "ifs." They need a few more defensive prospects. Patrice Bergeron geting back to his pre-injury state would be HUGE (remember, he's still only 24). Good health of course is critical. But to simply, laughably dismiss the notion that this could be a dynastic team is misguided.  
    Posted by duinne[/QUOTE]


    Great post!
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    Well played, Duinne... well played!
     
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    Duinne best post I have read from you ever.  Well said. 
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel. : LMFAO you have got to be kidding me? This team under achieves last year in the playoffs, on the verge of losing thier top goal scorer for a few hit or miss draft pics that could be a few years away from having a chance at making this roster. You do realize that usually just the first 1-5 picks in the FIRST round usually make the NHL right away right? This isn't the NFL. So trading Kessel away for picks and the Bruins are on the verge of a DYNASTY???????? Put your pom poms down and step away from the computer
    Posted by PatsSoxCeltsNo1[/QUOTE]

    Read read read
    offers in excess of 1 2 and 3 round picks.
    I assumed high first round pick - because if it is the Leafs, I believe they will tank this year and years to come, they seem to be focused on winning fights, not games.
    Poms poms?  Me?  Are you kidding?  I'm probably one of the most ignore optioned people on here and have been called a hater a billion times.
    And I've said a billion times, anybody and everybody is worth trading - depending on what you get for him.  From what it sounds like, we will get better in return for Kessel than a 1 2 and 3 round pick.  I am saying a young and solid team seems to be here for years to come - and if that is not a potential dynasty, I don't know what is.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    Thanks very much guys.

    Injury list addendum: Aaron Ward was playing with a cracked tailbone. 
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

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    [QUOTE]Thanks very much guys. Injury list addendum: Aaron Ward was playing with a cracked tailbone. 
    Posted by duinne[/QUOTE]

    Oh - and thanks for being a third man in to bail me out.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    Tommyd603 they wouldn't make that trade with Florida for a few reasons. 1. Booth is making as much as Kessel wants, and I think he's reached his ceiling offensively. 2. Kessel has much more value than just Booth, and why would Florida just replace one 30 goal scorer for another.
    The Bruins are most likely going to take draft picks in any situation, and they'd rather have the picks be for the 2010 class than the 2011, though premature many scouts are saying the 2011 class looks like the weakest since 1999, which only put out a few good players. Expect a deal with a combination of decent prospects and high picks, doubtful that they'll get roster players as they can't afford anybody and their roster is almost complete as it is.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    Any secondary deal most likely involves moving roster players acquired from the primary trade partner to another team for more picks and/or prospects, or it involves making a bigger deal by packaging an asset from the initial deal with a current roster player to upgrade at a position.  So a Florida deal might involve acquiring Mike Van Ryn from the Laffs and shipping him to the Panthers for picks/prospects, or (and I don't see this happening, but it's an example) packaging Kobasew, Van Ryn, Boston's 1 for Nathan Horton (Horton's cap number is $4M, Kobasew's is $2.33M and they have about $1.7M, so the money would work if you were willing to go into the season without room to manouver).

     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    Instead of going after Horton and Booth who argueably would make a similar cap hit to kessel, would it not be more pratical to trade for a young guy like Frolik(plus a pick(s)) who is not only young,fast with 21 goals last year but also a cap hit of 850,000.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.


    One sports writer in Toronto hates the idea of 2 first round and 1 second round pick for Kessel.  Reallity check for Kessel fans, if they don't think he's worth that much...

    http://torontosportsmedia.com/toronto-maple-leafs-hockey/brian-burkes-pursuit-kessel/5720

    Best quote "With all due respect to Kessel, he isn’t a guaranteed homerun."

    Also, he says the deal will be done by Wednesday.

     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    Ok chiarelli read this carefully, let the bidding war go but everyone knows kessel must go to nashville. Their the only team out of our division and their desperate for 81. give me the rights to radulov (highlight reel scorer), wilson (strong, big, mature center, possible franchise player), and maybe even suter (aggressive all around silled player) and you get 81 and potentially another piece.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    hey badhabitude, he is worth that much from how it sounds like in almost every other article about kessel. nobody wants to try an offer sheet because they're not going to give him $5+ mil/ a year, the only amount Chiarelli probably wouldn't match. Teams are interested in giving him at least $4 mil because they wouldn't be interested if they didn't think he was worth the money. Try finding a draft pick who can score 36 goals in a shortened season only 3 years removed from the draft. Kessel may have some question marks surrounding his game but the level his talent is at right now and his age show that he is already a great player and can make himself into an elite player. Don't forget most players don't hit their prime until they're 25-27. Yes there's a certain amount of risk in the trade but so far the result have spoken for themselves and a team desperate for scoring will make the plunge if they think it will make them a playoff team.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

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    [QUOTE]hey badhabitude, he is worth that much from how it sounds like in almost every other article about kessel. nobody wants to try an offer sheet because they're not going to give him $5+ mil/ a year, the only amount Chiarelli probably wouldn't match. Teams are interested in giving him at least $4 mil because they wouldn't be interested if they didn't think he was worth the money. Try finding a draft pick who can score 36 goals in a shortened season only 3 years removed from the draft. Kessel may have some question marks surrounding his game but the level his talent is at right now and his age show that he is already a great player and can make himself into an elite player. Don't forget most players don't hit their prime until they're 25-27. Yes there's a certain amount of risk in the trade but so far the result have spoken for themselves and a team desperate for scoring will make the plunge if they think it will make them a playoff team.
    Posted by joeschmo25[/QUOTE]

    No doubt his talent, but use the unbias opinion of Kessel - the rest of the NHL, no offer sheets from them.

    Most importantly, as we will find out, it is NOT the money.  They are *RELATIVELY* CLOSE ON MONEY - more than Krejci's 3.7 and less than 5.  FAR APART on the "PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUES" - that's the killer.  I don't know what the "PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUES" are.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel. : No doubt his talent, but use the unbias opinion of Kessel - the rest of the NHL, no offer sheets from them. Most importantly, as we will find out, it is NOT the money.  They are *RELATIVELY* CLOSE ON MONEY - more than Krejci's 3.7 and less than 5.  FAR APART on the "PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUES" - that's the killer.  I don't know what the "PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUES" are.
    Posted by BadHabitude[/QUOTE]

    Good question, Habitude.  When I read that I wondered too.  Didn't realize that hockey players and managers can be so philosophical!!!

    Does anyone have any notion of what is meant by "philolsophical issues"?   I think it was Chiarelli who used the phrase.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Does anyone have any notion of what is meant by "philolsophical issues"?   I think it was Chiarelli who used the phrase.
    Posted by CarolinaClamMan[/QUOTE]

    Chiarelli thinks PK is worth 3.5 - 4Mil. PK and his agent think he's worth more @ more years. Years might very well be the issue length of the contract.
     
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    Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.

    In Response to Re: Offers in excess of 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks for Kessel.:
    [QUOTE]"PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUES" Posted by BadHabitude[/QUOTE]
    My theory is that Chiarelli wants Kessel to take a big discount for this year (since he will be out a while) and have short years so that his cap number will be friendly. 
     

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