Salary cut - Ryder or Sturm?

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    Salary cut - Ryder or Sturm?

    They're both carry about the same cap hit and are both UFA's at the end of this season. 
    Ryder is playing well enough , skating, hitting , back checking and getting his chances. The Bruins don't have to rely on him to put the puck in the net and he's playing with no pressure and that's when he's at his best. 
    Sturm his best asset is his skating and already last season was a step behind from last years knee surgery.  How can he be better than last with yet another major knee injury ?  I would love to have him on maybe Bergy's side but I don't see him being better than Caron.  Ask yourselves this , would Sturm have scored on that break-a-away that Caron scored on ? I don't have that confidence in him anymore.
    If no trade is made isn't it easier to send Sturm down to Providence ?  Re-conditioning ?
    For what Sturm brought to the Bruins I did prefer him over Ryder ,  right now I'm not too sure I'de keep Sturm .  I choose Ryder.
    Can anyone swaye my thoughts and argue Sturm over Ryder ?  

    p.s. do not bring Savvy into this discussion, he's staying.

     
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    They're both carry about the same cap hit and are both UFA's at the end of this season.  Ryder is playing well enough , skating, hitting , back checking and getting his chances. The Bruins don't have to rely on him to put the puck in the net and he's playing with no pressure and that's when he's at his best.  Sturm his best asset is his skating and already last season was a step behind from last years knee surgery.  How can he be better than last with yet another major knee injury ?  I would love to have him on maybe Bergy's side but I don't see him being better than Caron .  Ask yourselves this , would Sturm have scored on that break-a-away that Caron scored on ? I don't have that confidence in him anymore. If no trade is made isn't it easier to send Sturm down to Providence ?  Re-conditioning ? For what Sturm brought to the Bruins I did prefer him over Ryder ,  right now I'm not too sure I'de keep Sturm .  I choose Ryder. Can anyone swaye my thoughts and argue Sturm over Ryder ?   p.s. do not bring Savvy into this discussion, he's staying.
    Posted by BsLegion


    I don't know about swaying your thoughts but if I had to choose if both were at full health I'd choose Sturm. I like his speed and he can kill penalties . Btw I have seen Caron play the right side also in the WJHC's.
     
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    In Response to Salary cut - Ryder or Sturm? : I don't know about swaying your thoughts but if I had to choose if both were at full health I'd choose Sturm. I like his speed and he can kill penalties. Btw I have seen Caron play the right side also in the WJHC's.
    Posted by Chowdahkid-


    That's exactly it,  will he be the same speedy skater after another major knee surgery ? PK not a problem, look at Paille on the outside looking in.  Bruins are no1 on the PK.
    Let's say they keep Sturm, the problem that PC has is to evaluate Sturm before he comes off the LTIR and I don't see how Julien and PC can determine if Sturm is more valuable till he plays an official game.
    By then the decision is made and maybe too late or of course Sturm back to his old self and the gamble works out for PC.  It's like Russian roulette,  you can win or lose here with this decision.
    With Ryder I don't think PC puts himself in that situation.
     
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    In Response to Re: Salary cut - Ryder or Sturm? : That's exactly it,  will he be the same speedy skater after another major knee surgery ? PK not a problem, look at Paille on the outside looking in.  Bruins are no1 on the PK. Let's say they keep Sturm, the problem that PC has is to evaluate Sturm before he comes off the LTIR and I don't see how Julien and PC can determine if Sturm is more valuable till he plays an official game. By then the decision is made and maybe too late or of course Sturm back to his old self and the gamble works out for PC.  It's like Russian roulette,  you can win or lose here with this decision. With Ryder I don't think PC puts himself in that situation.
    Posted by BsLegion


    I agree with you. That's why I put in 'at full health' in my post .Injuries and health can cause people to second guess themselves on what they are able to do in any situation not just hockey. It will be interesting to see if Sturm is confident and feels comfortable when he comes back.
     
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    Is it possible they both can go ? 
     
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    Ryder playing well isn't going to cut it. It's about putting the puck in the back of the net for him. Michael isn't a PK specialist the Bruins have that, He isn't a PP specialist can't put the puck in the back of the net. PC signed the right handed shot on the potential of scoring more than 30 goals a year Chiarelli got burned.

    Again I'll say it Sturm at 70% can do more for the Bruins than Ryder, Marchand, Wheeler, Recchi or Paille. At the very least for $3.75Mil Sturm will pot 22 goals (or at least be on pace for) and play the PK very well. The sooner Ryder is in Providence the better.
     
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    Sturm has a NMC...Ryder doesn't...Ryder goes and Sturm stays...it's pretty easy
     
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    I like Sturm but he just can't stay healthy.  Ryder is better trade bait and he could go on a scoring streak...  I also think he will score 25 to 30 goals this year.
     
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    SanDog,  I'm not too sure about Sturm being 70% ,  he was last season ( 70% ) from the previous year .  This time around he might only be at 60% or less from his good seasons ? 
    Ryder I agree with you , while they're both playing for a contract next season Ryder health on his side, Sturm does not.  This is another reason why I feel Ryder will be more productive.
    Now,  being more productive yes the Bruins can use him as trade bait but I don;t expect them to get much.
     
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    Sturm has a NMC...Ryder doesn't...Ryder goes and Sturm stays...it's pretty easy
    Posted by TheDecision


    Have to agree with you
     
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    It looks like Ryder will be the odd man out but he has played better this year.
    He is playing like a guy who doesn't want to go to the AHL .It's his 4 million cap hit that will be his downfall and Sturm fits the complete player that Julien wants 
     
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    Sturm has a NTC not a NMC .

    http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=228
     
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    Ryder was bad last season. Really bad. He's got talent but you only see it in flashes. It seems to be a mental thing with him and last year his head definitely wasn't in it. Having said that when things click he can be pretty good and his fitness is good. I'd like to see him stick around as long as he was a 3rd line winger on a 3rd line wingers salary.

    Sturm is a worry. He had speed and was a huge threat on the breakaway as has been said above. The problem is there are younger guys who can come in and fill that role so perhaps he's now surplus to requirements.

    Is Sturm's contract really No Movement? That'd scupper things a bit!
     
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    It looks like Ryder will be the odd man out but he has played better this year. He is playing like a guy who doesn't want to go to the AHL .It's his 4 million cap hit that will be his downfall and Sturm fits the complete player that Julien wants 
    Posted by Bruins6


    So let's say the Bruins do trade Ryder, of course it won't be for a roster player because the reason they are trading him is to make cap room for Sturm and Savvy, Sturm gets hurt again ,  are the Bruins a better team with Ryder gone (traded) and Sturm out again ? 
    I hope I'm wrong but I think Sturm is done and due to health issues .

    NTC does not mean he can't be sent down to AHL, I doubt it. 
    Question;  let's say the Bruins send Sturm down to AHL ,  must he pass waivers ?
    Can any team pick him on waivers and he has no say anymore ?
     
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    In Response to Re: Salary cut - Ryder or Sturm? : So let's say the Bruins do trade Ryder, of course it won't be for a roster player because the reason they are trading him is to make cap room for Sturm and Savvy, Sturm gets hurt again ,  are the Bruins a better team with Ryder gone (traded) and Sturm out again ?  I hope I'm wrong but I think Sturm is done and due to health issues .
    Posted by BsLegion

     
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    I agree Bs Legion , I would rather have Ryder at this point. Do you think a team would take Ryder's 4 million salary in a trade ... I definetly would not give one of our first rounders to entice a team. He could be headed to Providence which wouldn't be fair ... but it's the new salary cap world
        
     
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    Seguin, we know is staying  and Caron will be staying too wont he
    He has played very well ... much better than a guy like Wheeler
     
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    Also noted by Jim Matthesion of the Edmonton Journal in today's paper :  That Wheeler is actively being shopped by the Bruins. He said the Oilers should trade for him. Said the Oilers could take the 2.2 mil salary.
     
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    Isn't it funny what a couple of  goals can do for your reputation?
    I think people tend to forget how incredibly bad Ryder played last season, and how he topped it off with some very peculiar remarks about his attitude at the end of the season. Sturm has a lot more to offer - provided he's healthy. Of course one has to factor in Julien's obsession with Ryder, who, btw, according to thehockeynews is on pace for a fantastic -21 plus/minus rating at the end of this season - in spite of the B's strong play so far.
     
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    That's the kicker, provided he's healthy. If Marco Sturm is 100% healthy he is a better player than Ryder, but two major knee operations is serious stuff
    I think it will be Ryder and Wheeler when Savard and Sturm come back just the same .The team is playing great and will be even better when Seguin will be able to slide to the wing
     
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    Isn't it funny what a couple of  goals can do for your reputation? I think people tend to forget how incredibly bad Ryder played last season, and how he topped it off with some very peculiar remarks about his attitude at the end of the season. Sturm has a lot more to offer - provided he's healthy. Of course one has to factor in Julien's obsession with Ryder, who, btw, according to thehockeynews is on pace for a fantastic -21 plus/minus rating at the end of this season - in spite of the B's strong play so far.
    Posted by MrHulot


    Ryder had one pretty good season and one bad,  the last.
    I would agree with you if Sturm hadn't come off another major knee injury. 
    Bottom line PC has a big decision to make, cap room being number one and Sturm or Ryder's salary fits what the Bruins need to do.  One of the two will have to be moved to another team or the AHL.
    I just hope going into the playoffs we're not saying "  Chiarelli should have done...." 
     
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    I just hope going into the playoffs we're not saying "  Chiarelli should have done...." 
    Posted by BsLegion

    As long as Chiarelli keeps overpaying below-average players (i.e. Ryder, Ference), the only uncertain thing here will be if the Bruins make the playoffs.
     
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    In Response to Re: Salary cut - Ryder or Sturm? : As long as Chiarelli keeps overpaying below-average players (i.e. Ryder, Ference), the only uncertain thing here will be if the Bruins make the playoffs.
    Posted by MrHulot


    uh ??? If the team of last year made the plyaoffs this edition will. Then again I'm not too sure you're being serious. 
    For the record the Bruins have a better winning record when Ference is in the lineup rather than out.
     
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    Re: Salary cut - Ryder or Sturm?

    Its really getting old with these posts of who goes, who stays, we all know who goes and thats the underacheivers from 2009. Yes there playing better this yr and that only makes them more of a worthy asset to trade away and get something back worthwhile.
     
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    Re: Salary cut - Ryder or Sturm?

    Ah, I should have known that my last post was a bit difficult to decipher, sorry.
    I do think the Bruins will make the playoffs, but IMHO it's far more certain that Paranoid Pete's Mysterious Ways will continue to confuse us regular folks; hence, the famous words "Chiarelli should have done..." will most likely appear on this board come playoff time.
     
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