What do you think?

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    What do you think?

    Would the bruins be able to land horton if boyes was the piece of that package instead of Wideman, after his 30 point drop off last year and 14 goals I would say (not likely). IMO Wideman was a better player (playing on a crippled up team of underachievers).

    It took awhile but this looks like a number of good transactions by PC. (Providing horton works out).

    Just for the record, I for one never gave up on Wideman like many others on here.
    Think back one season when everything was good.
     
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    It will be interesting to see how Wideman does in Florida. Sometimes a player just needs a new setting to gain confidence and become complete.
     
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    The Dennis you see is the Dennis you get at this point.  There won't be a sudden miracle when he gets to Florida.  More likely that you'll see his game even out over time so that, by the time he's in his 30s, there's a much smaller gap between good Dennis and horrible Dennis.  Confidence is part of the equation with him, sure, but I don't see him as a player who can think his way through stretches where things aren't working for him.  So he'll always lose confidence when he gets into a slump, and it will only get easier for him to stay even-keeled as he goes through a few more cycles of ups and downs.

    Boyes for Horton doesn't happen.  Wideman for Horton does because DW has been labelled that "puck-moving defenseman" everyone needs.  Even though DW's personal stock might have dropped last year, Chiarelli sold high in terms of the value placed on the kind of player DW is.

     
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    Don't forget we also sent a first round pick with DW.
     
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    Chiarelli has been increasingly more successful, and the Kessel deal is a crowning point since the Bruins have rarely been able to pick so high, except for Thornton and Samsonov. The Wideman for Horton/Campbell is a very positive move that should help both teams as we see with all the lineup prognosticators trying to determine who will play with who. Gives a different perspective to the head coaching position. We know that PC brought in CJ to overcome the major mistake that Lewis created. How could PC have been so wrong? BUT, why did New Jersey jettison Claude? What did they see? Could it be that CJ is solid and consistent but inflexible? Will CJ stay married to Ryder,Thornton, Recchi, Ference and Savard if what is expected from them fails to emerge? What if Recchi has lost another step; What if Thornton is more of a liability? What if Savvy does not return to his full capability? Will Claude listen to Chiarelli or Neely?  Is stubborness why Lamoriello and Montreal let Claude go? Can Claude incorporate some flexibility? Why was the 09 team so inconsistent? Anyone really want Claude's job??
     
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    [QUOTE]Chiarelli has been increasingly more successful, and the Kessel deal is a crowning point since the Bruins have rarely been able to pick so high, except for Thornton and Samsonov. The Wideman for Horton/Campbell is a very positive move that should help both teams as we see with all the lineup prognosticators trying to determine who will play with who. Gives a different perspective to the head coaching position. We know that PC brought in CJ to overcome the major mistake that Lewis created. How could PC have been so wrong? BUT, why did New Jersey jettison Claude? What did they see? Could it be that CJ is solid and consistent but inflexible? Will CJ stay married to Ryder,Thornton, Recchi, Ference and Savard if what is expected from them fails to emerge? What if Recchi has lost another step; What if Thornton is more of a liability? What if Savvy does not return to his full capability? Will Claude listen to Chiarelli or Neely?  Is stubborness why Lamoriello and Montreal let Claude go? Can Claude incorporate some flexibility? Why was the 09 team so inconsistent? Anyone really want Claude's job??
    Posted by Bogie6[/QUOTE]

    Because Lou Lam is a control freak who goes through coaches like tissue paper.

    Julien has a very good working relationship with Neely and Chiarelli. Why should this even be a question now?

    Why was the 09 team so inconsistent? Uh, because the players kept dropping like flies?

     
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    Control freak may be right on, although he brought back LeMaire, and spoke highly of Robinson. It is still bothersome, particularly having happened in both NJ and Montreal. Many observers have referred negatively to Cj's penchant for rolling 4 lines equally, and not benching poor[Ryder] performers; and not giving rookies[ Marchant/Sabotka-the kid line] sufficient ice time. Is this a failing? Is this stubborness? More websites are extolling Ramsey's management of the D, including solid work with Boychuck's evoluion. Read one last week that gave Ramsey more credit for Tampa's cup run than Torts. Is Houda ready ,or capable, of filling Ramsey's void? Or , is he there because Claude wanted him. This is a solid Bruins roster, Let's hope the coaching [ same in 08 and 09] can be equally capable.
     
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    [QUOTE]Control freak may be right on, although he brought back LeMaire, and spoke highly of Robinson. It is still bothersome, particularly having happened in both NJ and Montreal. Many observers have referred negatively to Cj's penchant for rolling 4 lines equally, and not benching poor[Ryder] performers; and not giving rookies[ Marchant/Sabotka-the kid line] sufficient ice time. Is this a failing? Is this stubborness? More websites are extolling Ramsey's management of the D, including solid work with Boychuck's evoluion. Read one last week that gave Ramsey more credit for Tampa's cup run than Torts. Is Houda ready ,or capable, of filling Ramsey's void? Or , is he there because Claude wanted him. This is a solid Bruins roster, Let's hope the coaching [ same in 08 and 09] can be equally capable.
    Posted by Bogie6[/QUOTE]

    I for one don't have a problem with using four lines - I'd rather everyone get playing time as it's a long season, and if you drive your horses too hard at the start, they'll have nothing at the finish. And it's not like #4 gets equal time with #1 - check the TOI.

    As for Houda, he was already on staff; he just moves behind the bench. The new hire is Doug Jarvis.
     
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    [QUOTE]Don't forget we also sent a first round pick with DW.
    Posted by Espo72[/QUOTE]
    Good point.
     
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    And a 3rd pick.
    When you have stockpiled as many picks as PC has, you create the luxury of moving some of those unproven commodities for proven ones.

    The bruins still have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds next year. I wouldn't be surprised if 1 or 2 of those get moved in another big package deal (some where in the new year).

    Until the bruins use up the surplus of picks I think it's unfare to judge PC's performance. Some of the posters on here need to take the blinders off.
     
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    "Sometimes a player just needs a new setting to gain confidence and become complete."

    It was a good for both players they needed it. Change of scenery trades happen in the 4 major sports all the time some work some don't. The booing and pressure got to Wideman whom has a fragile mind set anyway. I have a feeling Dennis might do better down in Florida.

    As mentioned on another of the many Horton/Wideman threads. The 3rd rounder Boston sent was for Campbell. The 1st rounder was for Horton and Wideman was sent to to free up cap space for Boston. Tallon felt Wideman was worth the risk. Dale has gambled wrong with the Campbell and Huet contracts but in this case $7.7Mil left on Dennis's contract he feels it's worth the risk.

    PC minimized the risk of giving up that 15th pick in the last draft by keeping Toronto's #1 and #2 in 2010 (plus 2 #1s in 2011). Chiarelli has accumulated quite allot of picks over the last 2 years very high ones too boot.
     
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    When Wideman came her in the BB trade, he played stellar hockey. I don't care what other people here say. In his first playoffs, he moved the puck up ice, made really good break out passes, and had a decent shot from the point.What happened ?  He was not the same guy last season. Did his off season shoulder surgery  affect his play?  I'm thinking so. Will the Horton trade work ? I haven't seen Horton play much at all. I sure hope so. And I hope Wideman has a good season as well....Go B's Go !!!

     
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    [QUOTE]Chiarelli has been increasingly more successful, and the Kessel deal is a crowning point since the Bruins have rarely been able to pick so high, except for Thornton and Samsonov. The Wideman for Horton/Campbell is a very positive move that should help both teams as we see with all the lineup prognosticators trying to determine who will play with who. Gives a different perspective to the head coaching position. We know that PC brought in CJ to overcome the major mistake that Lewis created. How could PC have been so wrong? BUT, why did New Jersey jettison Claude? What did they see? Could it be that CJ is solid and consistent but inflexible? Will CJ stay married to Ryder,Thornton, Recchi, Ference and Savard if what is expected from them fails to emerge? What if Recchi has lost another step; What if Thornton is more of a liability? What if Savvy does not return to his full capability? Will Claude listen to Chiarelli or Neely?  Is stubborness why Lamoriello and Montreal let Claude go? Can Claude incorporate some flexibility? Why was the 09 team so inconsistent? Anyone really want Claude's job??
    Posted by Bogie6[/QUOTE]
    Actually, Brodeur & few others. Went to Lou & said CJ had to go. This is what was talked about a lot when it happened. The guys on satellite radio had a call in discussion on whether, or not Brodeur was right to go to Lou.
     
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    Never heard about Brodeur and other players complaining, does anyone else have any remembrances? Also what happened in Montreal? Do not mean to Bash CJ, but, this is a very talented team as well as young players in Providence that are close to Nhl ready. Is CJ's "old-fashioned" style going to maximize this talent in 2010 ?? Will Coach Murray polish the talented lineup in Providence? All of a sudden, the skills are there, thanks to PC, in Boston, in Providence, and then you have Knight, Spooner, Button pushing hard from juniors. PC's results are emerging in player talent and while we might question CJ's style and staff, is PC also looking to evolve with the addition of Jarvis and reliance on the ingrained total team defense. Makes for an interesting season and reasons not to question PC's overall plan.
     
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