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    TRADED FROM BOSTON FOR BRANDON BOCHENSKI BY PETER CHIAPET.
    THIS IS WHY WE NEED BRIAN BURKE, PC DOES NOT KNOW TALENT!


    THIS HEADLINE FROM ESPN THIS MORNING:

    Versteeg's outstanding rookie campaign continues with Hawks' PP winner

    Kris Versteeg #32 RW
    2008-09 STATS
    G A PTS
    7 12 19
    2008-09 FANTASY STATS
    % OWN WK +/- AVG DRAFT
    27.5% +3.4% UD
    Next Game:
    Blackhawks at Maple Leafs
    Saturday 11/22, 7:00 PM ET CBC
    Status Alert:
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    Versteeg had a goal and two assists Thursday night in the Blackhawks'... (+)
    Stat Overview
    SPLIT GP G A PTS +/- PIM SOG SPCT PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG ATOI PROD
    2008-09 18 7 12 19 11 8 34 20.6 2 4 1 2 1 17:41 16:44
    Projected 82 32 55 87 50 36 155 20.6 9 18 5 9 5 17:41 16:44
    Career 31 9 14 23 10 14 55 16.4 2 4 1 2 1 -- --
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    I could have those stats playing with Kane and Toews. Some players mature later in their careers. I think the players we have now can do the job.
     
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    Anthony, go to the same ESPN web site and check out the "grade" it gives the BRUINS in their quarterly report card.
     
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    Give me a break! Versteeg was an unknown at the time and besides we have guys like him they are Kessel, Lucic, Krejci, Sobotka etc. ALSO! Bochensnski was traded to the Ducks:

    Anaheim Ducks traded Shane Hnidy and a sixth-round pick in the 2008 draft (Nicholas Tremblay) to the Boston Bruins for Brandon Bochenski. Trembley's stats:

    2007-2008 Smiths Falls Bears CJHL 57 51 59 110
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    Now I know Hnidy is no Ray Bourque but he has been solid this season and much needed now that Ference is injured.

    This team is deep on offense but lean on D.
     
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    get over it- the b's are doing pretty good.
     
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    Good Player, i never really understood that trade, but from what i hear they were looking to get a player that was ready right away....apparently he wasnt

    if i was on a line With Kane and Toews im sure i would have some points as well, get them the puck and get ut of the way
     
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    And you (anthony) are the GM of what team? Hey, the B's are in first place so that means you're the GM of a team that is not. It's great to be able to look back at other people's decisions and judge them, no? Get a life and start making decisions for yourself.
     
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    Hey all you crybabies- if the B's slip out of contention you will all be slippin off the freakin bandwagon , right? right !

    all I am pointing out is this trade SUCKED and its an indicator that this current GM is UNABLE TO IDENTIFY TALENT IN PROSPECTS..

    read on : this too from ESPN

    Kris Versteeg proving he's for real
    Friday, November 21, 2008 | Print Entry


    Posted by Tim Kavanagh
    Eleven days ago, the lead item in this fantasy blog concerned the Blackhawks, and their reliance on a balanced scoring attack coming from both of the top scoring lines to achieve success. One key component of that success has been the fantastic start by Kris Versteeg. Although he was not a household name before the season started, he should be front and center -- even though he plays right wing -- on the radar of any fantasy owner in need of a scoring boost. His three points against Dallas on Thursday led the barrage as Chicago won 6-3, and his goal within the closing thirty seconds of the second period is one for the highlight reel.
    Since we've reached the "quarter pole" for some teams in the 82-game season, it's a good checkpoint to evaluate which players have been performing higher than their assumed value and vice versa. For Versteeg, a recent surge has catapulted him back into a tie with Derick Brassard for the lead in the rookie scoring race, and with 19 points apiece, they are also tied with some nice company in the overall scoring standings  Dany Heatley, Mike Richards, Thomas Vanek and Teemu Selanne. In other words, both youngsters are performing better than expectations.
    While Brassard has finally been moved to the pivot next to Rick Nash in Columbus, Versteeg may have even more fantasy value in Chicago on the top line with Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews. By looking at just the individual stats, it's almost a dead heat, with both players at a decent plus-minus and very little contribution from either the penalty minute or hits department. However, Chicago's power play unit ranks eighth in the league, scoring at better than a 20 percent clip with the extra man, whereas Columbus sits at a league-worst 12.1 percent. Therefore, the slight edge for expected fantasy value going forward has to go to Versteeg, who benefits from better playmakers at the point. And for those leagues that count shorthanded points, Versteeg is also an asset there, with a goal and two assists while killing penalties.
    You can't go wrong with a pickup of Versteeg

     
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    Would you rather watch the Bruins or the Scabs. I would rather watch the Bruins. Veersteg is a small skilled player and does not fit in with what we are trying to build here in Boston.
     
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    The Duck were already setup for burke, he's overrated and the canucks he built are still waiting for their first cup

     
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    5'9" 159 lbs?? The guy's a freakin midget. Why don't you see what his numbers look like for more than a 20 game stretch before you condemn Chiarelli. Even if he does become a good pro, 1 move doesn't prove that Chiarelli doesn't know talent. There are so many other factors. What system does the team play, who are his linemates?? I don't know how you can watch the B's and not be happy about the direction they're going in. They haven't had this much depth at forward in yrs.
     
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    Maybe you (anthony) should write to your favorite GM and suggest a Matt Hunwick for Sid Crosby deal. And by the way, Bruins fans don't jump on or jump off the bandwagon. We were born on the bandwagon.
     
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    PC did make a mistake here but it is not Versteeg he misjudged it is Bochenski. When Bochenski got her he was one of our best offensive forwards. Next training camp he had lost his ability to score? PC thought he would get better and he did not. Every GM make mistakes, you judge a GM by the team on the ice and I am happy with the team we have.

     
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    Not another one of these posts. For one, Versteeg is a bit overrated because he is playing with two excellent players on his line in Chicago. and second, the trade looked good at first, Bochenski was scoring left and right, they got exactly what they wanted out of the trade...a nhl ready sniper for a prospect pretty low on their top prospects list. It mostly fell through because Bochenski's work ethic. The offseason after the trade Bochenski got fat and out of shape and never really got back his scoring touch. Oh well, every GM has busts. It is not liek we lost anyone all that great, Versteeg would be a 3rd liner at best on this years Bruins team.
     
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    Hey Anthony you take your meds yet??? Calm down guy...How about the Black Wheeler pick up that is the GM move of the year in my opinion...relax guy
     
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    Thanks again PC for such a good team in such a short time.
     
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    Amazing. We lose and people b?tch. We win and people still complain and the few true fans that state in posts that they Bleed Black And Gold no matter which way the wind blows (meaing winning or losing) get a nice Mr. Burns and a Sheep picture.

    Only in Boston can its fan base be dominated by wagon jumpers.

    I offer the a humble suggestion in line with 4forever by saying enjoy the ride for what it is worth. Despite where we end this season, can you honestly tell me that there has not been some kick @ss hockey in the old barn this season?

    This team is the real deal no matter if the cup is in its future or not. They are laying it all down on the line to not only entertain its fan but prove to the league that we ARE tougher to play against. You CAN'T come into our house and walk all over use and finally - If you play the Boston Bruins, then you're gonna know it. Come win or lose we will not roll over and give you the win.
     
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    [Quote]
    Hey all you crybabies- if the B's slip out of contention you will all be slippin off the freakin bandwagon , right? right !

    all I am pointing out is this trade SUCKED and its an indicator that this current GM is UNABLE TO IDENTIFY TALENT IN PROSPECTS..

    read on : this too from ESPN

    Kris Versteeg proving he's for real
    Friday, November 21, 2008 | Print Entry

    Posted by Tim Kavanagh
    Eleven days ago, the lead item in this fantasy blog concerned the Blackhawks, and their reliance on a balanced scoring attack coming from both of the top scoring lines to achieve success. One key component of that success has been the fantastic start by Kris Versteeg. Although he was not a household name before the season started, he should be front and center -- even though he plays right wing -- on the radar of any fantasy owner in need of a scoring boost. His three points against Dallas on Thursday led the barrage as Chicago won 6-3, and his goal within the closing thirty seconds of the second period is one for the highlight reel.
    Since we've reached the "quarter pole" for some teams in the 82-game season, it's a good checkpoint to evaluate which players have been performing higher than their assumed value and vice versa. For Versteeg, a recent surge has catapulted him back into a tie with Derick Brassard for the lead in the rookie scoring race, and with 19 points apiece, they are also tied with some nice company in the overall scoring standings  Dany Heatley, Mike Richards, Thomas Vanek and Teemu Selanne. In other words, both youngsters are performing better than expectations.
    While Brassard has finally been moved to the pivot next to Rick Nash in Columbus, Versteeg may have even more fantasy value in Chicago on the top line with Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews. By looking at just the individual stats, it's almost a dead heat, with both players at a decent plus-minus and very little contribution from either the penalty minute or hits department. However, Chicago's power play unit ranks eighth in the league, scoring at better than a 20 percent clip with the extra man, whereas Columbus sits at a league-worst 12.1 percent. Therefore, the slight edge for expected fantasy value going forward has to go to Versteeg, who benefits from better playmakers at the point. And for those leagues that count shorthanded points, Versteeg is also an asset there, with a goal and two assists while killing penalties.
    You can't go wrong with a pickup of Versteeg

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    Hey Anthony,

    Your REAL point should have been, as noted by another comment here, that PC traded Bochesnki for Hnidy and a draft pick. Not too shabby.

    BTW, nice Fantasy hockey advice column you sent us. Is this how you keep up on the B's? Bochenski's been with a total of 5 NHL clubs now, as he's a bit of an intriguing goal-scoring talent. Even much worshipped and current free agent GM Brian Burke acquired Bochenski last year to put on Ducks TOP line...he did well for 5-6 games and faded. So be it. That's the real life of an NHL GM. Better stick to Fantasy hockey Anthony...where the only person who knows about your mistakes is YOU!

     
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    If you want to rip Chiarelli for the Bochenski trade, you have to be fair and give him kudos for swapping overrated free agent to be, Brad Stuart, who wasn't going to re-sign here and Wayne Primeau for Ferrence and Kobasew. Kobasew is much better and younger than Primeau and Ferrence was playing better than any other B's blueliner before he got hurt according to Julien.
     
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    Anthony,

    Every GM makes mistakes. No one is perfect. You have to consider the circumstances as to why the trade was made. It was 2 years ago, the B's were looking for ready-now players because of their severe lack of offense, and they felt that Versteeg wouldn't be ready for a while. Having said that, one poster was right on about shipping Bochenski to Anaheim for Hnidy. Not a top 4 D, but a solid no. 5 who has veteran experience in a Cup winning organization.

    Let me ask you something else? How come no one talks about the Boyes/Wideman trade anymore? Maybe because puck moving D are a rare commodity in the league these days and Wides has really matured at both ends of the rink. Did we sacrifice a 30 goal scorer? Yeah, but if you're smart, you can replace goals. You can't put a price on a smart, puck-moving D.

    Same thing with Versteeg. PC did what he thought was right. Theo thought he needed to improve the team in the Gag-Me trade and now Murphy is a solid OF and the Beltre kid might be a dominant player in the years to come. Sometimes you have to sacrifice and sometimes you make mistakes. And don't tell me that it's ok b/c they've won a championship. The B's weren't even thought to have a chance this time last year. They have really matured and have made themselves a contender.

    Just like everyone else, I'm not going to find ways to complain about a team that is 1st in the EC and is playing some of the best hockey we've seen here in sometime..
     
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    the versteeg/bochenski trade was a bad one for boston. the true test of a GM is admitting his mistakes and cutting his losses. Versteeg for Hnidy & a draft pick is not that bad.

    Besides, who freakin cares if Versteeg scores 50? The B's are playing solid hockey! Ill take 1st in the East Conference any day!
     
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    Our bruins are 1 defenceive player away from being an elite stanly cup team go bruins its been a long time keep up the great work.
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    houkked onn fonics werked fur me!

     
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    My God, the Bruins have young studs like Krejci, Kessel, Wheeler and Lucic burning up the ice (and no room for Sobotka, for heaven's sake), and you're complaining about Versteeg?

    Unreal.
     
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    Hey all you crybabies- if the B's slip out of contention you will all be slippin off the freakin bandwagon , right? right !

    all I am pointing out is this trade SUCKED and its an indicator that this current GM is UNABLE TO IDENTIFY TALENT IN PROSPECTS..

    read on : this too from ESPN

    Kris Versteeg proving he's for real
    Friday, November 21, 2008 | Print Entry YOUR A FOOL !!


    Posted by Tim Kavanagh
    Eleven days ago, the lead item in this fantasy blog concerned the Blackhawks, and their reliance on a balanced scoring attack coming from both of the top scoring lines to achieve success. One key component of that success has been the fantastic start by Kris Versteeg. Although he was not a household name before the season started, he should be front and center -- even though he plays right wing -- on the radar of any fantasy owner in need of a scoring boost. His three points against Dallas on Thursday led the barrage as Chicago won 6-3, and his goal within the closing thirty seconds of the second period is one for the highlight reel.
    Since we've reached the "quarter pole" for some teams in the 82-game season, it's a good checkpoint to evaluate which players have been performing higher than their assumed value and vice versa. For Versteeg, a recent surge has catapulted him back into a tie with Derick Brassard for the lead in the rookie scoring race, and with 19 points apiece, they are also tied with some nice company in the overall scoring standings  Dany Heatley, Mike Richards, Thomas Vanek and Teemu Selanne. In other words, both youngsters are performing better than expectations.
    While Brassard has finally been moved to the pivot next to Rick Nash in Columbus, Versteeg may have even more fantasy value in Chicago on the top line with Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews. By looking at just the individual stats, it's almost a dead heat, with both players at a decent plus-minus and very little contribution from either the penalty minute or hits department. However, Chicago's power play unit ranks eighth in the league, scoring at better than a 20 percent clip with the extra man, whereas Columbus sits at a league-worst 12.1 percent. Therefore, the slight edge for expected fantasy value going forward has to go to Versteeg, who benefits from better playmakers at the point. And for those leagues that count shorthanded points, Versteeg is also an asset there, with a goal and two assists while killing penalties.
    You can't go wrong with a pickup of Versteeg

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    Anthony, PatsWagon is 100% correct when he says "...You have to consider the circumstances as to why the trade was made. It was 2 years ago, the B's were looking for ready-now players because of their severe lack of offense, and they felt that Versteeg wouldn't be ready for a while...". That's the essential point here, see the difference?

    BTW, as far as Fernandez goes, now that he's healthy, he's shown himself to be a pretty good goalie, something everyone in pro hockey already knew to be the case. With his expiring contract and after another quality start or two, it will be interesting to see when, and for what, Manny gets traded. Assuming he and Thomas stay healthy, I don't think Manny'll be here after New Year's.
     

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