Wideman point loss

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    Wideman point loss

    It would be interesting to know how many points Wideman's poor playing has cost the Bruins in the standings this year.  How many games has Wideman been on the ice for the game winning goal (by the other team) or tying goal?  It seams all too frequent...
     
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    Anyone have those stats... I'm curious too?
     
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    Where's Bookboy!  He usually has all of the stats.
     
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    The stat you ask for would be very difficult to work out - but also a very interesting stat for someone to actually track.

    As a poor substitute:
    http://www.behindthenet.ca/2009/new_5_on_5.php?sort=27&section=goals&mingp=&mintoi=&team=BOS&pos=
    At one point earlier in the season (December I think?) Wideman was one of the better Bruins defensemen in terms of goals-against-per-60-minutes-toi (the GAON/60) column (note, it is 5-on-5 only).  Now he is the second-to-worst behind Hunwick.
     
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    Lol!  Sorry roy - no time for a project today.  If you feel like it, go look at the game summaries on NHL.com - they tell you who was on the ice for every goal.

    I'm not sure that what asking is really something you can measure just by him being on the ice for gwgs. On the one hand, just being on the ice doesn't equate to that one player costing the team points.  Case in point against Toronto - is it Wideman's fault that Krejci gets caught too far from the point man on Gunnarson's goal and tips the shot past Thomas?  That's on Krejci, but there's Dennis in front.  And as much as Dennis needs to practice standing up on skates, it's not really his fault that the rotation broke down in the four on four - when he rotates in, Ryder or Krejci have to rotate back to cover for him.  Neither did - whose fault is that?  On the other hand, sometimes the GWG isn't the best indicator of a guy costing his team.  Take the first game of the season - Ovechkin scored the second goal of a 4-1 Caps win just short of half-way through the second period.  Now, this season, the odds of the Bruins scoring three goals in half a game have been very low, but this was the first game so no one knew how much they'd struggle.  Point is - there was still a shot.  That shot disappeared in the first two minutes of the third when the Caps scored twice and DW was on the ice for both goals.  Backbreaker.  Still, Bergeron was on the ice for the GWG and the fourth goal, so do you hang it on him?  To really know who missed an assignment, who fell on his can, who's colour blind when passing, you'd need to watch all of the goals.  You can do that too at NHL.com.  It'd be interesting to see what you find.

    Now I wish I had time - because I have a suspscion you'd find that fewer of Wideman's minuses are directly related to his ineptitude than you'd think.  He gets bailed out - a lot.
     
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    Hey lay off Wideman. He is our only d-man, and I mean ONLY D-MAN, who at least tries to make a play out of his own zone. Boychuk, Chara, Stuart, all just chip it off the glass, which isn't too bad. Ferrence makes plays, but he plays hard for his body type, and is injured alot, and the real clown of the bunch is Hunwick. He's sure fast, which is great because he can hopefully make up for all the bone head passes directly in front of his own net! like 3-4 a game.

    don't get me wrong, Wideman deserves a little heat as well. Wideman will be good again, if he trains hard in the off season. I think with his new, fat contract last summer his training took place on the golf course with his close friend Molson Canadian and he has looked slow all year. He wasn't that slow last year.
     
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    //goals-against-per-60-minutes-toi (the GAON/60) column/

    Very telling stat Thanks DRCC! I can't go back and look at Wideman game by game stats I'd get very very sick he needs to be benched or sent down.
     
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    In Response to Re: Wideman point loss:
    In Response to Re: Wideman point loss : You need to recognize Johnny Boychuk, id say get off widemans balls if he had any. You just even said at the end he tanked his training and i 100% believe he put in no effort in the offseason, because its extremely obvious how much hes dropped off (mentally and physically)
    Posted by DARVISH55


    Yeah I agree Wideman has had a hard year, but we got to lay off going forward. He could be our #2 d-man, if he puts the work in, because as I said at the start, he has the tools but is lacking this year. I think it's a case of poor training in the offseason and maybe his nose was a little out of joint when they picked up Morris to be the #2 d-man in the off season. He felt after last year he deserved to be the #2 guy. Morris came in and his ice time went down, his power play time with Morris here and Bergy back was next to none, and I think that lead to him having a bad attitude.
     
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    The main stat is we are paying that bum 4 million dollars a year.  Wideman, Chara, Thomas, Lucic, and Krejci are so overpriced it's ridiculous.

    Chiarelli and Neely have ruined this team (see no heart and no salary headroom) for YEARS to come.
     
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    Krejci is a steal at 3.75. He just needs Ryder and Wheeler to put something into the net. Calgary just gave Matt Stajan 3.5... I rest my case. 

    Thomas' contract is just too long.
        
    I have no problem with Chara's contract. 29 other teams would pay him the same thing TOMORROW! 
     
     Looch and Wideman are overpaid. Mangement took a gamble and thought their development would be further along by now. Hopefully they both are unhappy with their play and come out next year focused and in great shape and earn those contracts.
     
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    Maybe Wideman would be better as our "shootout specialist"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMdX_A2iLuM
     
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    In Response to Re: Wideman point loss:
    In Response to Re: Wideman point loss : Yeah I agree Wideman has had a hard year, but we got to lay off going forward. He could be our #2 d-man, if he puts the work in, because as I said at the start, he has the tools but is lacking this year. I think it's a case of poor training in the offseason and maybe his nose was a little out of joint when they picked up Morris to be the #2 d-man in the off season. He felt after last year he deserved to be the #2 guy. Morris came in and his ice time went down, his power play time with Morris here and Bergy back was next to none, and I think that lead to him having a bad attitude.
    Posted by savybergy77

    Wideman actually played more time on the powerplay then Morris, and had the second highest average powerplay TOI of any Bruins defenseman.
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20102BOSSASAll&sort=avgPowerPlayTOIPerGame&viewName=timeOnIce

    Also, Wideman's best year was last year after he signed that extension in the summer of 2008, not last summer, so I don't think he has gotten lazy I think he just lost it.
     
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    Maybe Wideman would be better as our "shootout specialist" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMdX_A2iLuM
    Posted by sebagoking


    Thank You for that, you have me laughing my azz off. That was FANTASTIC!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Wideman point loss:
    In Response to Re: Wideman point loss : Wideman actually played more time on the powerplay then Morris, and had the second highest average powerplay TOI of any Bruins defenseman. http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20102BOSSASAll&sort=avgPowerPlayTOIPerGame&viewName=timeOnIce Also, Wideman's best year was last year after he signed that extension in the summer of 2008, not last summer, so I don't think he has gotten lazy I think he just lost it.
    Posted by Frank710


    I didn't search the stats, i'm going off of looks. He has been slow and pouty looking. He didn't forget how to play hockey, he had baggage of some sort. What ever it is he has some pride and will work it out this summer....I HOPE.
     
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    Krejci is a steal at 3.75. He just needs Ryder and Wheeler to put something into the net. Calgary just gave Matt Stajan 3.5... I rest my case.  Thomas' contract is just too long.      I have no problem with Chara's contract. 29 other teams would pay him the same thing TOMORROW!     Looch and Wideman are overpaid. Mangement took a gamble and thought their development would be further along by now. Hopefully they both are unhappy with their play and come out next year focused and in great shape and earn those contracts.
    Posted by savybergy77

    I like Krejci, but a steal at $3.75?  He has 12 goals and 21 assists in 62 games and a -7!
    Stajan has 19 goals and 30 assists (playing most of the season for a last place team).

    I think you want a bit more production from someone at $3.75 million
     
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    Hey lay off Wideman. He is our only d-man, and I mean ONLY D-MAN, who at least tries to make a play out of his own zone. Boychuk, Chara, Stuart, all just chip it off the glass, which isn't too bad. Ferrence makes plays, but he plays hard for his body type, and is injured alot, and the real clown of the bunch is Hunwick. He's sure fast, which is great because he can hopefully make up for all the bone head passes directly in front of his own net! like 3-4 a game. don't get me wrong, Wideman deserves a little heat as well. Wideman will be good again, if he trains hard in the off season. I think with his new, fat contract last summer his training took place on the golf course with his close friend Molson Canadian and he has looked slow all year. He wasn't that slow last year.
    Posted by savybergy77

    Wow.Finally someone who recognizes Wideman starting the breakout.Last year the Bruins were killing teams with their transition game.This year the D chips the puck back and forth until a forechecker takes it.At least Wideman is trying to make plays.
     
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    Back and forth until our O get caught standing still(you can only do so many figure 8's) waiting for the puck and then the puck is fired the length of the ice for iceing, or as noted above we either give it away or a forechecker strips the puck.

    Great transition.

    Watch the games and you will see mostly Recchi and Ryder come back inside the zone to start it out themselves, with Berg and Krej the others. It is one thing you cannot knock Ryder or Recc for they try to help our D.
     
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    I watched closely tonight and Wideman did not show any special ability to make that first pass out of the zone.  Do you consider passing the puck to the other defender starting the breakout?  He was passing it back to his partner more than anyone, causing multiple turnovers in our end.
     
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    Simply stated and regardless of the reason.. he is not playing very well.. He is making very bad decisions and costing this team games.. He was given a sizable contract on the premise he would continue to improve or at least match the performance shown last year. He has not lived up to that billing. While it is understood that hockey is a team sport and everyone plays a role in the success or failure, I don't accept that his poor decisions are the result of the other guys not doing their jobs.
     
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    LRH , PLEASE !! ..  I don't care what this years stats are ? Stats are often misleading... You were aware that  Krejci went through a major hip surgery to have bone placed in his hip ... They were projecting him to be out as long as your buddy Kessel, and kudo's for him to be playing thru pain and helping out the team after they lost Kessel says a lot about this guy's heart... Last year was more like his potential.. 22G 51 A = 73 pts and led the league in +/- as well ..not bad for a third line centre on this team..... Judging from what I saw in the Olympics and now in the second half of the year he is rounding into form quite nicely... I would say Stajan's totals are a little misleading in that your Leafs quite frankly to be polite were giving him major minutes as their  No.1 centre because they had no one else...
     
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