Re: My top 5 of all time...
posted at 3/26/2013 2:28 PM EDT
In response to Bookboy007's comment:
Don't we generally have this conversation on our agenda for the annual general meeting or something?
I can't imagine anyone has said something here that's new. Well, shupe's crush on Subban found new territory, but that's a joke on so many levels.
For me, it comes down to this: I've only seen 4 players who consistently had this one particular effect on me. The players are Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux and Bossy. In that order for frequency and degree. The effect in question was an unshakeable conviction at various moments in games when you could just tell that they were going to do something no other player on the ice was capable of doing, that it would change the course of the game (not THE GAME, just that one game), and there was absolutely nothing anyone could do to stop it. We're not talking a perfect 3 on 1 against Dana Murzyn or Craig Ramsay with some schlub in net, either. It could be 1-3 against Larry Robinson and co. with Dryden in net or sadly, Ray Bourque with Moog in net. If they were on your team, your skin was alive and the adrenaline surged, and you were just dialed in waiting for the moment to celebrate. If they were against you, you were saying no nononono no no NO!
Orr did it all over the ice. Gretzky on half of the ice. Lemieux could do it from anywhere, but usually only did it from the Blueline in - though he could also be a pretty credible thief in the defensive zone and turn that into a goal in a blink. But again, they all had that beat-the-deathstar one in a million play cued up for the right moment, and it was incredible to watch when it happened.
Unless I'm drinking, and you're buying, I don't really give a schlitz malt liquor about how you number them.
Good stuff. I'll go in a little different direction here by suggesting multiple players from the same generation don't cut it. Picking Lemieux and Gretzky on the same list just doesn't add up for me. We know it's impossible to sensibly compare players from different era's, however each players dominance within that time frame does make for a reasonable comparison.
Few argue Howe's dominance throughout the late 40's to the mid 60's. No one was near him. Closest was probably Rocket Richard, and that wasn't close at all.
Therefore, it's illogical to think the second best from the 80's-90's(Lemieux on most lists) would be ahead of the best from the Howe era.
Lets do what all of the hockey pools did in the 80's/90's. Let's take Gretzky out. Heck, while we're at it...lets take Orr out too.
Now...would seem to me, the only way to come up with a realistic list, would be to break the game down to 5 era's, since the NHL's inception, and choose the player that most dominated each era. Then, rank those 5, based on their dominance compared to the other 4.
I just completed this excercise, and although preliminary findings gave the edge to Gretzky, the actual overall winner is... in fact......KHUDO.