2013-14 landscape

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    2013-14 landscape

    Lotta threads all around this, so maybe this is redundant, but feels like there's some reality checking necessary.

    Bruins have 11 forwards not named Savard on the signed NHL roster.  They have 6 D not including Bartkowski or confirmed departee Ference.  And they have 0 goalies.  This leaves them with $5.8 M for two goalies and a forward at minimum.  Savard on LTIR brings that up to $9.9M for those three players.  Rask will be ~$6M of that.  Providence callups for the other two jobs = $1.6-1.9M depending on the forward.  Let's round up and say that right now, the Bruins have about $2M of wiggle room to fill out the roster before considering moves that lead to further holes.  For example, a Peverley buyout or a trade for picks reduces the cap by $3.25M, but now you have to replace him.  $5.25 might be enough for Horton to stay, and that would shift the roster spot filled by a call up to the bottom 6.

    Except, if you want to carry 7 D (they always do) then you need another $650K for Bartkowski.  So Horton's now looking unlikely at $4.75M. 

    So the existing lanscape is probably this:

    Lucic-Krejci-Seguin

    Soderberg-Bergeron-Marchand (flipped due to CS's blind eye)

    Paille-Kelly-Peverley

    rookie-Campbell-Thornton.

    Chara, Seidenberg, Boychuk, McQuaid, Krug, Hamilton

    Rask, Svedberg.

    Maybe this lets them carry Bartkowski and an extra rook to spell in on the fourth line.

    I don't see a lot of changes to this, to be honest.  Line juggling to start the year and a deal if things are going poorly.  Maybe a stretch if there's a guy who is available due to the Cap situation, but that's the wrap.

     
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    Dead on correct.  I hope they give more Providence guys time next year to see if anyone can step up to the NHL level or just get some seasoning.

     
     
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    Yep. That about sums it up. Can't see Horton in the picture either. What's left is a pretty decent core but not one that is head and shoulders above other top teams. The right wing as it stands could do with some bolstering IMHO.

     
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    I think a Peverly buy-out hinges on the impression Spooner can make between now and then. Spooner should be ready for at least some consideration on the roster.  Peverly although still quite useful (shut it Stanley) is unquestionably overpaid.  This move then allows for some $ to be spent on either a 'good fit' bottom six forward or, possibly, Horton.

    I think Spooner's defensive worries might be mitigated by playing with Kelly and Paille.  I also think that if Julien has to add youngsters/inexperienced guys like Soderberg and Spooner to the regular roster, that he may demend a veteran forward be found for the 12th spot, instead of another Providence floater.

     
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    PC said no buy-outs would be used. Also, Jagr confirming he's not staying. Where does that put the cap room at now Book? There's not really anyone intriguing out there as a UFA to sign so any addition would have to come via trade.  Who can we give up? I agree in that we don't have to get a big time player and maybe look in house to fill gaps, but a serviceable third liner may be prudent.

     
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    I think there are a few UFA forwards that would be of interest if they are not signed first.  If the Bruins walk away from Horton there are a few current UFAs that could hit the market.

    Eric Nystrom, Ryan Jones, Mason Raymond...

     

     
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    If they're going to keep up 13 forwards, 7 D and two keepers, I don't see anything much happening besides a promotion for two forwards, a call up for Svedberg and a Rask signing. Keep a little extra space in case of trade ability closer to the deadline.

    I expect a pretty slow off-season.

     
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    In response to Al-Samarraie's comment:

    PC said no buy-outs would be used. Also, Jagr confirming he's not staying. Where does that put the cap room at now Book? There's not really anyone intriguing out there as a UFA to sign so any addition would have to come via trade.  Who can we give up? I agree in that we don't have to get a big time player and maybe look in house to fill gaps, but a serviceable third liner may be prudent.




    Makes my portrait that much more likely.  Jagr wasn't on the books, so his departure was already taken into account.  Ditto Ference.  And no compliance buyout=no Horton unless they make a trade to make room.

    So, what red said, but...wait for it...there will be a Pandolfoesque signing.

     
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    I'm hoping for Ryan Jones from Edmonton.  They seem to have too much skilled youth at forward to resign him, but he is a great energy, two-way, checking line guy with a little scoring touch.  I think B's fans would love him.  And he should be an affordable signing that gives Julian a little more reliability in a lineup that could feature rookies in Soderberg and Spooner.

    I agree that this is about as much activity as we could possibly expect in the summer, unless we trade a bunch of stagnating AHL talent for Nathan Mackinnon.

     

     
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    Very well thought out Book. Possibly could be a  trade, I get the feeling from what he said that Chiarelli would like to keep Horton. Not sure if it's possibe. Also, I think Bartkowski will be in the top 6 defenseman. So, maybe a trade there.

    Well done.

     
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    In response to Fletcher1's comment:

    I agree that this is about as much activity as we could possibly expect in the summer, unless we trade a bunch of stagnating AHL talent for Nathan Mackinnon.

     




    Yes, we should do that....

     

     
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    Agree with the original post.  I did the roster review and it looked nearly identical to your 22.

    Also agreed that without trades, that has to be the roster.

    I also think that a Bergy contract extension is PC's #2 priority (after signing Rask).   Bergy's contract extension will likely be announced within a few days of the beginning of of season (so that the additional $$ will be added to next year's salary cap). 

    Also, Seidenberg and Thornton are UFA after next season.  I would guess that Seidenberg is likely going to look for a serious bump above $3.25 mil (even though he will be 33 during the 2014-2015 season).  If he wants a reasonable salary then I think that he stays, but if he wants $5 mil per season then the B's will have to cut ties.  I think that Thornton will stay as long as the B's are willing to pay him.

     

     
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    http://www.capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/23145

    Just not a ton of room at the deadline for this roster. Blah it's going to be hard...

    CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
    Keep Horton buyout Peverley, Savard LTIR
    FORWARDS
    Milan Lucic ($6.000m) / David Krejci ($5.250m) / Nathan Horton ($4.500m)
    Brad Marchand ($4.500m) / Patrice Bergeron ($5.000m) / Tyler Seguin ($5.750m)
    Ryan Spooner ($0.870m) / Carl Soderberg ($1.008m) / Chris Kelly ($3.000m)
    Anthony Camara ($0.925m) / Gregory Campbell ($1.600m) / Daniel Paille ($1.300m)
    DEFENSEMEN
    Zdeno Chara ($6.917m) / Johnny Boychuk ($3.367m)
    Dennis Seidenberg ($3.250m) / Torey Krug ($1.704m)
    Adam McQuaid ($1.567m) / Dougie Hamilton ($1.494m)
    GOALTENDERS
    Tuukka Rask ($5.500m)
    Niklas Svedberg ($1.000m)
    OTHER
    Buyout: Rich Peverley ($1.000m)
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    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,501,667; BONUSES: $1,980,000
    CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $778,333


    And I'm dreamin about Horton and Rask's numbers. Chiarelli has a task at hand that is for sure.


     
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    In response to Bigpapa1977's comment:

    Agree with the original post.  I did the roster review and it looked nearly identical to your 22.

    Also agreed that without trades, that has to be the roster.

    I also think that a Bergy contract extension is PC's #2 priority (after signing Rask).   Bergy's contract extension will likely be announced within a few days of the beginning of of season (so that the additional $$ will be added to next year's salary cap). 

    Also, Seidenberg and Thornton are UFA after next season.  I would guess that Seidenberg is likely going to look for a serious bump above $3.25 mil (even though he will be 33 during the 2014-2015 season).  If he wants a reasonable salary then I think that he stays, but if he wants $5 mil per season then the B's will have to cut ties.  I think that Thornton will stay as long as the B's are willing to pay him.

     



    ahh, football guy right? it doesn't matter when they announce the bergeron extension, it won't effect the cap hit for next season. hockey doesn't work like that. once you've signed a contract it is set in stone. Unless you're bought out, demoted, or traded, you are on the teams cap hit for what you signed for, no matter what. (seriously, if it's a 35+ contract even if you die you're still on the cap)

     
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    No buyouts per PC, so it will take deal to find room for Horton.

     

     

    Are you not entertained?!?!

     
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    No buyouts per PC, so it will take deal to find room for Horton.

     

     

    Are you not entertained?!?!



    Book, do you think the Jets could value PK skills enough to take Kelly and Peverley for Burmistrov? 

     
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    Book, do you think the Jets could value PK skills enough to take Kelly and Peverley for Burmistrov? 

    Stanley will make gentleman jelly in his pants just by reading that.



     
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    In response to SanDogBrewin's comment:

    http://www.capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/23145

    Just not a ton of room at the deadline for this roster. Blah it's going to be hard...

    CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
    Keep Horton buyout Peverley, Savard LTIR
    FORWARDS
    Milan Lucic ($6.000m) / David Krejci ($5.250m) / Nathan Horton ($4.500m)
    Brad Marchand ($4.500m) / Patrice Bergeron ($5.000m) / Tyler Seguin ($5.750m)
    Ryan Spooner ($0.870m) / Carl Soderberg ($1.008m) / Chris Kelly ($3.000m)
    Anthony Camara ($0.925m) / Gregory Campbell ($1.600m) / Daniel Paille ($1.300m)
    DEFENSEMEN
    Zdeno Chara ($6.917m) / Johnny Boychuk ($3.367m)
    Dennis Seidenberg ($3.250m) / Torey Krug ($1.704m)
    Adam McQuaid ($1.567m) / Dougie Hamilton ($1.494m)
    GOALTENDERS
    Tuukka Rask ($5.500m)
    Niklas Svedberg ($1.000m)
    OTHER
    Buyout: Rich Peverley ($1.000m)
    ------
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,501,667; BONUSES: $1,980,000
    CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $778,333


    And I'm dreamin about Horton and Rask's numbers. Chiarelli has a task at hand that is for sure.


     


    That's a pretty good line up. I think Rask will get $6+ which will probably mean's Horton is gone. Maybe I'm wrong and he gives PC a home town discount to be on a perennial playoff team.

     
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    Book, do you think the Jets could value PK skills enough to take Kelly and Peverley for Burmistrov? 

     

     

    Stanley will make gentleman jelly in his pants just by reading that.



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    Burmistrov wants out of Winnipeg. That should lessen his value. 

     
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    Book, do you think the Jets could value PK skills enough to take Kelly and Peverley for Burmistrov? 

     

     

     

     

    Stanley will make gentleman jelly in his pants just by reading that.





    Burmistrov wants out of Winnipeg. That should lessen his value. 

     

     




     

    toss in a late rounder and he's yours - kelly and pevs are perfect fits for the peg. postma's rights and burmistrov for kelly, pevs and a late rounder - as a fan of both teams, sounds good to me.

     
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    Red, I truly think that's the type of deal that could benefit both clubs right away. The Bruins would get some cap relief and the Jets acquire some real depth. 


    "wow,check out all of the losers in here......"

    -Gerry Dee
     

     
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    Red, I truly think that's the type of deal that could benefit both clubs right away. The Bruins would get some cap relief and the Jets acquire some real depth. 


    "wow,check out all of the losers in here......"

    -Gerry Dee
     

     




    I agree. I consider the Jets "Bruins-Lite". They try to play the same style of game, but don't have the depth or horses to do it. Two solid youthful assets for the veteran depth with faceoff skills and defensive experience, in a situation where Boston is at the cap and the Peg has acres of cap space - like I said as a fan of both teams, that works for me.

     

     
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    No buyouts per PC, so it will take deal to find room for Horton.

     

     

    Are you not entertained?!?!



    Peverly has value and would easily come off the books.  Might not be enough to bring horton back but it closes the gap and where rak is a rfa they might be able to talk both into lower first year deals.   I know im dreaming.  Id like to see horton back.  Ive changed my tune and really like the khl line a lot.  

    Fletch, i like jones as well.  He was a fan favorite in edmonton.  I do believe we need more speed. A chucky kobasew or keith aucoin might be that type of signing.   I believe paille has earned a bump in lines.  Soder can start on the 4th.  

    Khl, bms, kelly paille aucoin, campy soder st.  

     
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    dez, it sounds like a good deal from a cap point of view, but it somehow feels like the kind of deal where you start chasing a set of contingencies and, in dealing with the next contingency, forget where you were going when you started.  The cap is only an issue for the Bruins next year if they feel they need Horton - Chiarelli seems to feel that way from his comments.  But even if I think about the Boston roster with three of four lines intact, and a third line of Burmistrov, Spooner and Soderberg, it seems like a completely different team.  You've lost two key penalty killers and face-off men with great speed and hockey smarts.  Bergeron, Marchand, Campbell and Paille could generally handle the PK with Krejci filling in when one of those four is in the box.  Those two guys play such a variety of roles in Julien's system, I have a hard time thinking that they'd dump both at the same time to keep the increasingly fragile Horton, even with Burmistrov coming back. 

    If Burmistrov is Zherdev 2.0, that's a poisonous deal.

    All that said, if Chiarelli is going to look to make a move to keep Horton, it pretty much has to be at least one of Kelly or Peverley, and his comments today have him committed to a trade to make it happen.

     

     

     

    Are you not entertained?!?!

     
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    I've liked what little I've seen of Burmistrov and would hope the change of scenery could serve as a kick in the pants. I don't know, I'm just spit balling some ideas. I'm also just interested to see how this weekend plays out. Plenty of player movement coming up league wide. 


    "wow,check out all of the losers in here......"

    -Gerry Dee
     

     

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