6 UFAs, 3RFAs, Who stays, who goes

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    6 UFAs, 3RFAs, Who stays, who goes

    At the risk of starting a post about the Bs and hockey, any thoughts on which UFAs and which RFAs you 'd like to see stay, which ones might go, and who would we get back? I'd keep Rask,  of course, but the others are all fair trade bait if the return is worth it. Thoughts?
     
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    I think the question BB will be who can Chiarelli afford. Meaning some role players might get more money to play elsewhere. The summer of 2013 will effect the this upcoming summer heavily with Seguin, Lucic, Horton, Ference, Marchand and Thomas all needing contracts in 2013.

    It will indeed be very tough especially if the cap flattens after the new CBA. The market for Campbell and Paille could be very good and they get offered more than what they are really worth. We have seen GMs strip championship teams of their roles players and they are willing to overpay.
     
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    first off i count 5 UFAs, not 6, and 3 RFAs and thats including hamill who hardly counts. my guess is that thornton, paille, campbell, and Rask are for sure coming back. maybe corvo and pouliot. kelly and boychuk gone. hamill 2 way contract

     
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    [QUOTE]first off i count 5 UFAs, not 6, and 3 RFAs and thats including hamill who hardly counts. my guess is that thornton, paille, campbell, and Rask are for sure coming back. maybe corvo and pouliot. kelly and boychuk gone. hamill 2 way contract
    Posted by bostonfan191646[/QUOTE]
    Count again. There are 6 UFA's. Kelly is the most important one to sign.
     
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    You are absolutley right. there are 6. Kelly is playing himsel out of boston. we don't have unlimited cap room. If Kelly puts up 25 goals hes going to get a contract the bruins won't be able to give him. the decision was made between peverley and kelly and peverley was selected to stay in boston. Peverley can swing to the third line center, or stay on the wing, and ideally the bruins should either sign a guy to a one year deal or pomote from within. This is going to be Kellys big pay day he won't take a short term deal.

     
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    [QUOTE]You are absolutley right. there are 6. Kelly is playing himsel out of boston. we don't have unlimited cap room. If Kelly puts up 25 goals hes going to get a contract the bruins won't be able to give him. the decision was made between peverley and kelly and peverley was selected to stay in boston. Peverley can swing to the third line center, or stay on the wing, and ideally the bruins should either sign a guy to a one year deal or pomote from within. This is going to be Kellys big pay day he won't take a short term deal.
    Posted by bostonfan191646[/QUOTE]
    The guy's career high in goals was 15 so don't expect him to command 25 goal scorer money.because he does it once in 7 tries. He's a defensive specialist that's on pace for just over 40 points. How much do you expect him to get?
     
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    its not so much the cap hit its the term. hes going to get at least 3 years and i don't think he would fit in beyond one year. 
     
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    The progress, or lack of progress, toward a new CBA will  impact most teams decisions. Allready Fehr is threatening to hold off any decisions until late August or early December, which indicates it's all about him [ego] and who cares about some of the borderline players. With the money now being paid to most NHL hockey players; and the lack of any big bucks sponsors; plus the limited size of most rinks; there should not be any major issues except for player safety and/or payments to those who are injured and cannot resume play[ usually an insurance isue].
     
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    All guesswork, but fun:

    Kelly gets signed early, and sometime very soon so it's not even a trade deadline consideration.

    At the deadline, Bs bring in a #2-#3 defensive rental player for the playoffs. In the deal, the trading team gets Boychuck and a draft pick. How the new guy plays dictates what happens to Corvo in the offseason.

    Rask gets signed long-term after the trade deadline, but well before playoffs.

    Campbell is signed immediately following the end of the season.

    Hamill gets another 2 years at cheap money during the off-season.

    Thornton gets the last contract of his career during the off-season. 3 years. Ends in a Bs uniform.

    Pouliot and Paille are gone after the season.
     
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    Rask and Campbell should be re-signed...no question about it

    Kelly should come back, but he hasn't done much lately after a strong start.

    I can do without Hamill and Pouliot, and I don't care either way about Paille and Thornton.
     
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    I think most, if not all, will be back.  The Bruins have lots of cap space for next season.  They can sign a guy like Kelly to a 3 year deal and then trade him after next season if Seguin, Marchand and Lucic require too much money.  I think Boychuck will be back.  My biggest question surround Pouliot and Corvo, not for money but for value.  The jury is still out on what they will contribute. I'm pretty happy with them, but I don't know if the team is.  If the Bruins swing a deal for a left-shot skilled D that they want to keep, Corvo will be gone.  Pouliot is RFA and could stay, but if he costs too much he'll be moved.  I think one left wing will be gone to make room for Caron. Either Pouliot or Paille.  Kelly and Campbell will probably both be back, Julien likes having lefties to win faceoffs. Krejci, Bergeron and Seguin are all righties.
     
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    Great thoughts! I think Corvo is gone at the deadline for anything he can bring. Kelly, if he reaches 25 goals, may opt to test the market a la Martin LaPointe. So he may go in a deal for a #2 or #3 D-man at the deadline. Pouliot, Campbell and Paille are all trade bait if PC thinks he can upgrade w/o screwing up chemistry. Rask stays, but at no more than 4M for 4 years. Hamill can stay or go; if he stays it's on a 2-way. Agree on ST's 3 year at 900K or less. Boychuk at Ference money would be OK.
     
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    [QUOTE]The progress, or lack of progress, toward a new CBA will  impact most teams decisions. Allready Fehr is threatening to hold off any decisions until late August or early December, which indicates it's all about him [ego] and who cares about some of the borderline players. With the money now being paid to most NHL hockey players; and the lack of any big bucks sponsors; plus the limited size of most rinks; there should not be any major issues except for player safety and/or payments to those who are injured and cannot resume play[ usually an insurance isue].
    Posted by bogie6[/QUOTE]
    Appeals process for suspensions may be a sticking point.
     
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    [QUOTE]All guesswork, but fun: Kelly gets signed early, and sometime very soon so it's not even a trade deadline consideration. At the deadline, Bs bring in a #2-#3 defensive rental player for the playoffs. In the deal, the trading team gets Boychuck and a draft pick. How the new guy plays dictates what happens to Corvo in the offseason. Rask gets signed long-term after the trade deadline, but well before playoffs. Campbell is signed immediately following the end of the season. Hamill gets another 2 years at cheap money during the off-season. Thornton gets the last contract of his career during the off-season. 3 years. Ends in a Bs uniform. Pouliot and Paille are gone after the season.
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    [QUOTE]All guesswork, but fun: Kelly gets signed early, and sometime very soon so it's not even a trade deadline consideration. At the deadline, Bs bring in a #2-#3 defensive rental player for the playoffs. In the deal, the trading team gets Boychuck and a draft pick. How the new guy plays dictates what happens to Corvo in the offseason. Rask gets signed long-term after the trade deadline, but well before playoffs. Campbell is signed immediately following the end of the season. Hamill gets another 2 years at cheap money during the off-season. Thornton gets the last contract of his career during the off-season. 3 years. Ends in a Bs uniform. Pouliot and Paille are gone after the season.
    Posted by asmaha[/QUOTE]

    Isnt Boychuck a second pairing d man why would you trade him for the same value ind add a draft pick?

    I love kelly but i think he is gone.

    No way Thornton gets 3 years.
     
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    UFAs - will the market be kind with the potential for new rules looming?

    Kelly -  Is there someone out there who thinks Kelly can play as a #2 centre?  That's it, really - anything north of about $2.75M and the buyer must be thinking Kelly can score when the opposition is checking him and not the other way around.  I don't.  I don't doubt Kelly would sign a modest raise for three years either - security is valuable when there's the potential for change, plus, I'm pretty sure Kelly knows what he is.  He won't turn down a nutty offer if he gets one, but I don't see him playing the odds.  Real question is whether he's in the plan, then, and I would say yes, he is.

    Campbell - yeah, I think there will be someone out there looking to upgrade their third line, and Campbell can play that role.  He pretty much does in Boston.  Bruins rolling four gives them basically a 1a, 1b, 3a, 3b config., and Campbell's 20-30 points per year look like decent third line numbers - compare Kris Draper's career numbers, or PJ's, or Todd Marchant.  I think he goes for something close to $2M, and unless the Bruins win the Cup, that may be too rich.

    Paille - like Marchant above, Paille's game is blazing speed and D, but I don't think he'll ever see the point totals Marchant put up in Edmonchuk.  A team with a terrible PK could offer him $2+, though, and I think he'd definitely go to a team that would provide him with a chance to work on the offensive side of his game even if the Bruins matched the dollars.  I think he's a 50/50 with the odds of him staying depending largely on whether PC signs him before June or not.

    Thornton - saying.  Like a mascot.  They almost never fire the mascot.  Unless they plan to have the bear put on skates and play 10 min. a night.

    Corvo - your cab is waiting outside, Joe.  He's been Wideman lite - can't hit the net, makes gaudy defensive errors - and he'd be getting the full Wideman on here if he, like Wideman, was leading in ice time by D behind Chara.  Take the $2.5-$3M it would take to re-sign him and go shopping.

    Boychuk - serviceable.  If anyone pays him to be more than that, they will be disappointed.  Someone may try...but as I've said before, I don't know that you have to think very hard to wonder just how much he benefits from playing with the most effective defensive stopper in the game.  I think he stays for a modest raise - probably just over $2, but I've been low on predicting PC's willingness to think of the value mid-contract.  That is, he's willing to have a contract look like he's overpaying now if he thinks it will look like he's underpaying by the time it's over.

    RFAs
    Rask - no questioning PC's intent to get Rask signed.  I'd bet you a dollar the deal is sitting in his desk and has been since the day Rask signed his current sweetheart deal - Rask may even have signed it.  I still think PC has a real dollar goaltending budget he uses as a guideline here.  This year, it's $6.25.  Next year, with Thomas making $3M in cash, I'm guessing Rask gets between $3M and $4M.  And I think he signs before anyone gets a chance to lure him away.

    Pouliot - No one wanted to pay him more than the $1.1M the Bruins gave him this year.  He's not on pace to blow last year's numbers out of the water - he's on pace for a 3 point increase.  No one is coming with a kick azz offer on this guy, so if the Bruins want him back, they'll have him for a reasonable number not much higher than he's making now.  Maybe another 1 year.  But if anyone is the guy they would let go to make room for Caron or Hamill or Spooner or Knight or well, anyone....

    and last but not least...Hamill.  I would love for them to sign this kid. Love it.  Not because I think he's a superstar waiting to find his opportunity but because I hate the idea of that #8 overall going completely to waste.  Colborne brought Kaberle, Caron's playing some NHL games with some success, so if Hamill could turn one more corner and start putting up 20-30 points and still play smart defensive hockey?  That would bring me hope.  But I think there's better odds that he's dealt as part of a package at the deadline (hey, they deal 5th rounders in packages) or they qualify him just to keep his rights, and if he gets an offer, go with the old "we thought we owed it to Zach to let him go where he'd have more of an opportunity to grow into the player we projected in 2007."  And collect that 4th rounder in compensation.  Hey, could be the next Byron Bitz!

     
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    For Campbell, it all depends on whether or not he wants to stay with Boston on a team friendly contract, or go to another team where he could serve a larger role. The Bs aren't going to be able to give him what other teams will, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he signed a friendly contract.

    Boychuck and Corvo are both gone. With Hamilton tearing it up in junior, it appears that he will be ready to go next season, and Boychuck will have no problem finding a job elsewhere. Corvo will sign a one year contract elsewhere, or maybe even retire.

    Kelly is kind of in the same boat as Campbell, he could get more money elswhere but he's a good two-way player. With the B's excess of centermen, he could go, or stay on a team friendly contract.

    Rask will definitely be locked up, it would be awful if they let him go. I hope he's the man in Boston for years to come.
     
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    All good thoughts so far. I'm enjoying everyone's take on the question and the thought going into their choices. Has me assessing these guys even closer and looking forward to February-just to see how things work out. And, of course, the Bs cementing their playoff positioning as high as possible.
     
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    Just to bring a little sanity to the conversation on Boychuk. He is playing in the top defensive pairing and gives Chara the ability to roam. He lays out timely hits when needed and for any gaffs he makes he does not cause the damage Corvo does in front of the net. He will be back next year because he wants to be in Boston and there is no one at that price that can take his place. This is the cap space era and Boychuck is a bargain.

    Rask is not going anywhere either. He is not a stupid kid and he has gotten enough playing time this year to make it worthwile for him to stay.

    Campbell will resign because he knows his place and it is cap savvy to keep him.

    Thorton I am unsure how they will handle. I would like him to stay and he would like to stay but CJ may try a younger guy who can defend the honor.

    Corvo is gone. End of story and Hamilton will be up next year.

    Pou will stay as well for one more year so that another young forward can prove himself in the meantime.

    Paille is a bargain no matter how you slice it.

    Kelly is the most important piece and if Throton goes or Pou and they bring up a young gun there is enough money to sign him.

    There will be no major shake ups especially if we make the finals again this year. 
     
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    [QUOTE]its not so much the cap hit its the term. hes going to get at least 3 years and i don't think he would fit in beyond one year. 
    Posted by bostonfan191646[/QUOTE]
    Even if he gets a 3 year deal it's unlikely he'd get it with a full no movement clause.
     
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    I'm sorry....I disagree. Thornton will absolutely be here every year until he retires. He is worth every penny they spend on him, and plays a style of game on a 4th line that isn't prone to dramatic fall-off as he ages. He's not going anywhere.

    ...and regarding the "insanity" of the Boychuck conversation, remember that he will not be paired with Chara in the playoffs. Although I like his game in general, the fact remains that the Bruins have the ability to land a true #3 behind Chara and Seids, and trades don't happen in a vacuum. Something has to go the other way - nobody is simply going to call the defending champs and offer a stud defenseman for draft picks.

    Boychuck is not a true #3. Neither is Ference. They are both excellent #4s, and should not be considered the anchor of a second pairing. They did a great job last year, but if PC has the ability to improve this team, then the second D pairing is an opportunity.

    And on what basis can you say he "wants to be back in Boston"? According to who? Especially "at this price". Like anyone else his age, he will look for max dollars and a good fit. Boston will not overpay for him long-term, and he has some up-side, making him an excellent bargaining chip. Reminds me of Blake Wheeler's situation in many ways.

    And while I'm at it....no way Hamilton makes the team next year. It'll take time.
     
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    Kelly goes no where.

    Thorts goes no where

    Rask? This will be an interesting case. A lot of people on here seem to forget. He was part of a team that allowed another to come back from a 3-0 deficit. I think he's better than this, but with all the other goalie's out there that maybe available a lot of GM's just very well maybe willing to put their dollars into someone that hasn't happeded to. I think Rask's hands will be tied to a nothing more than a 3 yr deal. Worth nothing more than 3-3.5 per. As a B's fan I hope this happens because PC will jump all over that!
    Paille surprisingly will get a lot of offers. His PKing ability is top notch. I can see a Detroit, or a LA offering some picks for his services for a playoff run.

    Campbell I can't see him making anymore of a splash on any other team than what he offers here. I don't see him as a 3rd liner. I see him as a center who has some PK skills, that plays well as a 4th line center in Boston, but will not cut it as a 3rd line center. I compare him & Kelly & when I do that. I don't see a comparison. Chris Kelly would have Campbell's talents for breakfast on almost every nite they played against each other.

    Jonny B- Is a Bruin & will stay until another B's dman in the system shows they're ready. He could be the add in for another trade if the B's feel secure that Kamper is ready!
     
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    I think all of this discussion gets blown out of the water when Chiarelli surprises us all by trading Krejci for a top-flight D-man and moves Seguin to center. 


     
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    [QUOTE]Kelly goes no where. Thorts goes no where Rask? This will be an interesting case. A lot of people on here seem to forget. He was part of a team that allowed another to come back from a 3-0 deficit. I think he's better than this, but with all the other goalie's out there that maybe available a lot of GM's just very well maybe willing to put their dollars into someone that hasn't happeded to. I think Rask's hands will be tied to a nothing more than a 3 yr deal. Worth nothing more than 3-3.5 per. As a B's fan I hope this happens because PC will jump all over that! Paille surprisingly will get a lot of offers. His PKing ability is top notch. I can see a Detroit, or a LA offering some picks for his services for a playoff run. Campbell I can't see him making anymore of a splash on any other team than what he offers here. I don't see him as a 3rd liner. I see him as a center who has some PK skills, that plays well as a 4th line center in Boston, but will not cut it as a 3rd line center. I compare him & Kelly & when I do that. I don't see a comparison. Chris Kelly would have Campbell's talents for breakfast on almost every nite they played against each other. Jonny B- Is a Bruin & will stay until another B's dman in the system shows they're ready. He could be the add in for another trade if the B's feel secure that Kamper is ready!
    Posted by nitemare-38[/QUOTE]
    I think Boychuk will stay as well. He played a regular shift, every night , in last seasons march to the Cup. At the right price i think the B's should keep him, but as has been mentioned before, there has been some crazy contracts thrown around lately.Maybe with the CBA expiring,and the uncertainty, Johnny will accept a reasonable deal to give himself some security.
     
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    Asmaha I would love if Thorton stays and I believe he is a value but my question lies in if all the forwards to stay if Kelly requires more to sign then we expect. So that leaves a need to make a little room. Not a lot. But some room will needed to be made. So where does that leave us. We the options Thorton, Pou, Campbell and Paille. Out of the four I believe IMO that PC sees Campbell and Paille the greater value.

    As far as Boychuk IMO like many others there is no way to replace him at that cost. I am open to listen to what and how that would work realistically.

    Rask and Kelly are the key signatures and a way needs to be made to keep them.
     
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