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Are you not entertained?!?!
There it is.
We don't have to go very deep, or get too subjective and nit-picky to find a few. That's the nice thing about glaring weakness.
Any weakness is minimized/maximized, depending on salary. I think we can all agree on that. If you're the highest paid at your position in the league, your expected to excell across the board, and lead in several categories.
1. He's a defenseman, and he doesn't defend very well. His +/- is ranked 214th among defensemen. I know that doesn't mean everything, but in PK's case, it means more than most. Montreal is a pretty good team defensively. They only had around 200 gaa. That makes him look worse. The fact his team won't put him on the ice in a kill situation further drives the point home about a "glaring" defensive downside. The Olympics, despite the protest of some, is an example of his defensive shortcomings.
Though not a "glaring weakness", all the hoopla about his offense is blown out of proportion and exagerrated. His shooting accuracy is a myth. He's ranked 108th among dmen in shooting %. He gets more pp time than virtually any other dman, and he's nowhere near the top of the list in dman pp goals. He got 4 measly pp goals. 10 goals total last year. He was top 5 for dmen in assists. That's about the only category I can find, where he actually performs to elite status.
He's ranked 59th among dmen in blocked shots. Not great in anyones book. Neither is 46th in Hits. He's ranked 57th among league dmen in Take Aways, and only 5 current NHL calibre D-men had more Giveaways last year. That one is glaring.
When you break down his body of work, it's easy to see his strengths and weaknesses. Obviously that could change, but right now he's the leagues highest paid dman. Offensively, there are several who are better. I'll give him the benefit of doubt however, and put him in the category of elite offensive defensman. Defensively, he doesn't even get a sniff at "adequate" categorically.
Yeah, just to step in, always fun when a rival fan responds with a respectful post, right? I follow the Habs like you all follow the Bruins. Great discussions here, and when you follow the Bruins as much as you do, and the Habs as much as I do, you know your stuff. Except for Steve la Demon Blo(nde)viator, who I think is Guy Lafleur's kid. He just knows it all, and delivers his knowledge with the logical arguments that rival Plato and Aristotle. To address many nonsensical points with my specialized knowledge of 90-110 Habs games a year....
The points are in the order they are in bold:
1. Let's not get into a plus minus debate. In one breath, you swear the Habs are one of the better teams in the league, and that has nothing to do with Subban. Who only led them in ice-time last year...hmm. They also were one of the lower teams in goal differential. So clearly, when you play around 25-30 minutes a game with a near negative goal differential that reflects in plus-minus, correct?
2. The Olympics Debate. Ahh, where careers are judged on two weeks every four years. Babcock will not play defensemen on their offsides. Subban, Doughty, Weber and Pietrangelo were all righties. Or, if you may, half of the best defensemen in the league. Keith, Bouwmeester, Vlasic and Hamhuis are lefties. Doughty and Weber were locks because of 2010, and Pietrangelo was starting because of Hitchcock (as was Bouwmeester). The difference in caliber between those two (PK and Pietrangelo) are small. Either way, based on opinion. I will say that at this stage of the game, Weber and Doughty are better on the right side. But if you think that Subban is worse than Bouwmeester, Vlasic and Hamhius, well, I guess you might also think plus-minus is relevant? Ok, so we solved that argument. (PS: How did Chara do in the Olympics)?
3. The only category? "PK is this, Pk isn't that, blo-via-te, bloviate, bloviate." Do you know who leads NHL defensemen in scoring over the last two season? Yes, PK. Next!
4. He ranks fifty-nine in blocked shots. His partners last year were Josh Gorges and Andrei Markov who were fourth and fifth in blocked shots. What should he do? Petition the league to use three pucks? Let's see...
5. Giveaways-what happens to players who carry the puck more than others. I'm no advanced stats guy, but the issue with giveaways, besides the odd breakaway, is the breakdown in possession. Who kills it in possession stats? SUBBAN
6. "Defensively, he doesn't get a sniff." This is just precious. What's worse is that this guy has the self-awareness of a plenaria. He will watch Subban play in every game in the rest of his life while suffering from confirmation bias. Subban gives up the puck, he's right. Subban is on for a goal, he's right. Subban sits for a shift, he's right again.