A Different Look At Finances

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    Oh man it shows this is a Bruins forum .  c'mon guys !  how can you tell Hamilton will be better than Subban ?

     

    He has been significantly better at every level, every year of his career.  He is bigger, faster and more talented.  He has achieved success at a far younger age, and at 21 he has rapidly improved into a solid NHL defensesman with some high-end offensive skill.  No one is saying he's better than Subban now, but it seems more likely than not that he will exceed Subban in time if you compare their career progress year on year.  At this stage, PK was still a minor-leaguer.

     

    I was really impressed with Dougie at the end of last year.  I wouldn't surprised if he became a dominant defenseman as early as this coming season, his third.  A year ago I wasn't sold, but now I definitely am.



    That does not mean Hamilton will be better. As others have stated players develop at different stages in their career and some stop developing at a younger age while others continue to develop their whole careers.  I would not use this as a barometer on whom will have a better career.

    I saw Subban play in Ottawa at the WJC and he was simply amazing. He was in on the game tying goal with less than 20secs against the Russian. He made a great rush, brought the puck into the Russians end with their whole team clogging the blueline (and neutral zone) trying to hold the lead.

    Also it's in Montreal's tradition to break-in players later in their development. In Montreal it's been their knock by the fans .  I'm sure if he was drafted by Nashville or Florida he would have come in straight from Juniors. He was that good.

     

     

     

     
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    "Oh, please, the fawkoff pills can stay on your bedside table next to the Viagra fawkon pills in case you ever have that painful 4 hour jerk session.

    I'm not going to say I was yanking your chain after that come back, so let's say I was chumming the waters."

     

    This is Kevin Smith dialogue from a Jaws parity LoL

    PS. "Hooper drives the boat...aintcha watchin him!

     
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    "Viagra fawkon pills"

    That's the funniest thing I've read here since Shupe's first week with the iPad.



    Ive had it 2 yrs.  I guess you learned to live with it.  

     
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    "135 hits for the smaller guy compared to 73 by the bigger faster guy."

    Does it count if 134 of them were against smaller players whose backs were turned? 68 of them were also after the whistle.

    Re: PK and the media, I will say as much as I detest his shenanigans on the ice, I have always found him to be an intelligent and classy guy at the podium. Says the right things, for sure, and none of his "I'm a classless punk who doesn't respect the game" stuff seems to show up once he gets his skates off.



    73 hits from hamilton is pretty sad.  And yup some of pks hits are so-so.  But he doesnt care who he attempts to hit.  I remember him getting the wrong end of running ovie.  I dont think he picks n chooses who he hits bc he runs everyone(Lucic inc). But i do agree lots are borderline.  



    I wanted to defend Hamilton's low hit totals as a function of the way the Bruins play D.  We talk about this a lot - the Bruins defense is based on filling lanes, getting sticks in lanes, cutting angles, keeping the puck to the least dangerous areas of the defensive zone.  That would tend to cut down on opportunities for guys to take the body regularly.  Yeah...that made him look worse when I checked against the rest of the team.  Chara, Boychuk...and Bartkowski(!?!?) all topped 150+hits, Miller had more hits than Hamilton in about 66% of the ice time....  Can't say it's the system if just about everyone else is hitting that much more often.  Bartkowski had twice as many hits as Hamilton, played exactly the same number of games and about 2 minutes more over the course of the whole year.

    But then I did some comparison shopping and discovered that the whole idea that the Bruin system involves less hitting and more postioning looks bogus to begin with.  Hamilton would the #2 in hits for the Blackhawks, and with a bullet.  He would be third on the Blues behind RomanPolak (has to be one work or BDC won't take the guy's name) and Jackman.  His hits rate is roughly equivalent to McDonagh and Staal on the Rangers, where only Girardi is over 100 hits.  Hamilton had more hits than Suter in way fewer games, and no one on Minnesota's D had more than 100.  On the Sharts, only Brad Stuart would have had more (Burns plays forward too often for him to count).  Jersey's not a big hitting team with only one returning guy who had more than 100 hits, and only Weber in Nashville has significantly higher hit totals per game than Hamilton.  That covers the best GA/game teams in the NHL - except LA which has huge hit totals.  Bottom half of the top 10, that starts to change with Montreal, Anaheim and Pittsburgh all having higher hit totals similar to the Bruins D overall.

    Interesting, though, that on the teams that have a lot of success, many of the best D don't have a lot of hits.  They just...get the puck, move the puck.

    Hamilton delivered some doozy hits last year among the 73, including some good licks in the playoffs.  He can hit.  I'm chalking up the low total to coaching and a focus on keeping him in position rather than letting him look for hits - he has to learn to let them come to him.

     


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    "Viagra fawkon pills"

    That's the funniest thing I've read here since Shupe's first week with the iPad.



    Ive had it 2 yrs.  I guess you learned to live with it.  



    More likely that you've learned to live with it.  And it was very, very funny at the start.

    "I fovling htee ehts iPPd!!" - shupe

    "Rask's contract represents good value for money" - Google Translate, shupe-English.

    It was the irony we loved.


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    "I fovling htee ehts iPPd!!" - shupe

    "Rask's contract represents good value for money" - Google Translate, shupe-English.

    It was the irony we loved.


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    "Let it Die".

     
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    I wanted to defend Hamilton's low hit totals as a function of the way the Bruins play D.  We talk about this a lot - the Bruins defense is based on filling lanes, getting sticks in lanes, cutting angles, keeping the puck to the least dangerous areas of the defensive zone.  That would tend to cut down on opportunities for guys to take the body regularly.  Yeah...that made him look worse when I checked against the rest of the team.  Chara, Boychuk...and Bartkowski(!?!?) all topped 150+hits, Miller had more hits than Hamilton in about 66% of the ice time....  Can't say it's the system if just about everyone else is hitting that much more often.  Bartkowski had twice as many hits as Hamilton, played exactly the same number of games and about 2 minutes more over the course of the whole year.

    But then I did some comparison shopping and discovered that the whole idea that the Bruin system involves less hitting and more postioning looks bogus to begin with.  Hamilton would the #2 in hits for the Blackhawks, and with a bullet.  He would be third on the Blues behind RomanPolak (has to be one work or BDC won't take the guy's name) and Jackman.  His hits rate is roughly equivalent to McDonagh and Staal on the Rangers, where only Girardi is over 100 hits.  Hamilton had more hits than Suter in way fewer games, and no one on Minnesota's D had more than 100.  On the Sharts, only Brad Stuart would have had more (Burns plays forward too often for him to count).  Jersey's not a big hitting team with only one returning guy who had more than 100 hits, and only Weber in Nashville has significantly higher hit totals per game than Hamilton.  That covers the best GA/game teams in the NHL - except LA which has huge hit totals.  Bottom half of the top 10, that starts to change with Montreal, Anaheim and Pittsburgh all having higher hit totals similar to the Bruins D overall.

    Interesting, though, that on the teams that have a lot of success, many of the best D don't have a lot of hits.  They just...get the puck, move the puck.

    Hamilton delivered some doozy hits last year among the 73, including some good licks in the playoffs.  He can hit.  I'm chalking up the low total to coaching and a focus on keeping him in position rather than letting him look for hits - he has to learn to let them come to him.

     


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    Remember too that you don't dish out hits when you have the puck. Possession numbers are important to this too. For example, Miller hits a lot because he does not have the puck in his possession a majority of the time...therefore he needs to chase the opponent and attempt to separate him from the puck, hence inflated hitting number. Just a thought.

     

     

     
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    Remember too that you don't dish out hits when you have the puck. Possession numbers are important to this too. For example, Miller hits a lot because he does not have the puck in his possession a majority of the time...therefore he needs to chase the opponent and attempt to separate him from the puck, hence inflated hitting number. Just a thought.

     

     




    PK has the puck a lot too though.

     
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    Remember too that you don't dish out hits when you have the puck. Possession numbers are important to this too. For example, Miller hits a lot because he does not have the puck in his possession a majority of the time...therefore he needs to chase the opponent and attempt to separate him from the puck, hence inflated hitting number. Just a thought.

     

     




    PK has the puck a lot too though.




    And 8 more mins in icetime per game to hit....

     

     

     
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    Interesting, though, that on the teams that have a lot of success, many of the best D don't have a lot of hits.  They just...get the puck, move the puck.



    Remember too that you don't dish out hits when you have the puck. Possession numbers are important to this too. For example, Miller hits a lot because he does not have the puck in his possession a majority of the time...therefore he needs to chase the opponent and attempt to separate him from the puck, hence inflated hitting number. Just a thought.

    This is basically what I meant by the above - but I refuse to talk about "possession numbers".  There's "possession" meaning you're always in the offensive zone, and there's the much more pertinent sense of these guys being able to take back the puck in the defensive zone by means other than using the body to separate the player from the puck - they win races, they intercept passes, they collect rebounds of bad shots, they force low-percentage plays, and they give you one shot and then zip, it's going the other way.

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    Book,

    i feel dougie has fantastic vision and doesnt run around a lot.  I dont think hes ever gonna be a killer out there but his size is very valuable.  He needs to get meaner in his own end.  And that doesnt mean fighting.  Just harder to play against.  

    I think hes gonna get better at all aspects.  For a very young man with all the size and skill he is going to be a pleasure to watch.  

     
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    "I fovling htee ehts iPPd!!" - shupe

    "Rask's contract represents good value for money" - Google Translate, shupe-English.

    It was the irony we loved.


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    "Let it Die".



    Its funny he qoutes this yet usually starts it.  Funny how that works eh?

     
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    Who's "he" in that post?

     

     

    Are you not entertained?!?!

     
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    With whom is "HE" always debating about Rask ?

    Remember "HU" finally made it to 1st base before you answer.

     
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    Who's "he" in that post?

     

     

    Are you not entertained?!?!




    "He who shall not be named".........

     
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    He has been significantly better at every level, every year of his career.  He is bigger, faster and more talented.  He has achieved success at a far younger age, and at 21 he has rapidly improved into a solid NHL defensesman with some high-end offensive skill.  No one is saying he's better than Subban now, but it seems more likely than not that he will exceed Subban in time if you compare their career progress year on year.  At this stage, PK was still a minor-leaguer.

    I was really impressed with Dougie at the end of last year.  I wouldn't surprised if he became a dominant defenseman as early as this coming season, his third.  A year ago I wasn't sold, but now I definitely am.



    Faster?  At what?  Texting?

    Oatescam, you're a super smart man.  I would sooner believe that Dougie Hamilton hacked your account and posted his himself before I believe that you think Hamilton is faster and more talented than Subban.



    I seriously do.  He's a very fast skater (he was in fastest skater comps in the CHL) and his passing and shooting skills are exceptional.  He has immense raw talent, and that's been obvious since junior.  My big knock on him last year was his decision-making, which was awful.  But by the time '13-'14 ended  Hamilton had grown tremendously in that department.  Gap control better, coverage better, way less running around.

    Everything about Hamilton's career thus far has been measurably superior to Subban.  With the way Dougie ended last year, I see no reason to think that's going to stop.  I expect Hamilton to top 40 points this coming year.  At 22 he'll be a top NHL defensman at the same stage Subban was just breaking into the league. By 25 I can see him easily being better than Subban.

     
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    Oh man it shows this is a Bruins forum .  c'mon guys !  how can you tell Hamilton will be better than Subban ?

     

    He has been significantly better at every level, every year of his career.  He is bigger, faster and more talented.  He has achieved success at a far younger age, and at 21 he has rapidly improved into a solid NHL defensesman with some high-end offensive skill.  No one is saying he's better than Subban now, but it seems more likely than not that he will exceed Subban in time if you compare their career progress year on year.  At this stage, PK was still a minor-leaguer.

     

    I was really impressed with Dougie at the end of last year.  I wouldn't surprised if he became a dominant defenseman as early as this coming season, his third.  A year ago I wasn't sold, but now I definitely am.



    That does not mean Hamilton will be better. As others have stated players develop at different stages in their career and some stop developing at a younger age while others continue to develop their whole careers.  I would not use this as a barometer on whom will have a better career.

    I saw Subban play in Ottawa at the WJC and he was simply amazing. He was in on the game tying goal with less than 20secs against the Russian. He made a great rush, brought the puck into the Russians end with their whole team clogging the blueline (and neutral zone) trying to hold the lead.

    Also it's in Montreal's tradition to break-in players later in their development. In Montreal it's been their knock by the fans .  I'm sure if he was drafted by Nashville or Florida he would have come in straight from Juniors. He was that good.

     

     

     




    You're making up the part about Montreal taking longer to break in players than Boston.  There is nothing to back this up.  

    As far as early success meaning he will be better long-term, no, it doesn't mean that for sure.  But it is a strong indicator.  Most stuperstars become good fairly young.  More, however, I am impressed with his rapid and measurable growth.  His rise in Junior was remarkable, going from 16 to 58 to 72pts (in just 50 games), and his jump from junior to weak NHLer to strong NHLer has also been very impressive.  If he continues his trend just for another year or two, he'll end up a superior player to Subban.

     
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    With whom is "HE" always debating about Rask ?

    Remember "HU" finally made it to 1st base before you answer.

    Yeah, yeah, but it's a legit question here.  I honestly don't know.  I said I would let it die if shupe did.  Totally reasonable, I would think, to expect shupe to give the Rask rants a rest if he expects me not to respond.  He's brought the Rask stuff up a few times since I said I'd let it die, and all I've said is "let it die".  I'm tryin' man, I'm tryin'.  Part of that, though, is 50 ripped into him about Crawford in jest about the Rask stopping a cannonball stunt.  So off went shupe.  So now I refer to shupe's position on Rask in a discussion about his iPad skills - not ripping him, not debating his position, just a bit of hyperbole about how his early iPad posts were so far from what he wanted to type.  Then 50 quotes "let it die" and shupe says "funny he quotes that when he's the one bringing it up."

    So is shupe saying I'm baiting him with the joke about his iPad typing the opposite of what he intends?  (I'm not) or is he saying 50 is doing what I used to do in going hammer and tongs about Rask/Crawford, so it's ironic that he would quote "let it die" to me?  You can see why I'm confused.

    I said I would let it die, and I have.  I don't think shupe has yet.

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    The one thing you gotta give Subban - he's good with the media.  Comfortable in his skin, and he seems to have no time for those who want to manufacture drama.  Despite those who seem to think arbitration and the process that goes into it inevitably mean the team is going to run the player through the muck (coughnitecough), he keeps saying how much respect Montreal showed all the way through. 

    If it was just Bruins fans, I'd wonder if this was an outgrowth of the Sinden era - just the expectation that the player will be told to go yodel.

    Are you not entertained?!?!




    Blow it out your as s book! EVERY ex-player that they interviewed who went through abitration all said they ended up almost hating the team when they came out of it! Nobody saw this deal coming after the hearing so kindly take a couple of fawkoff pills & call me in the morning. PK just got a 72 million dollar deal from the Habs what do you think he's gonna say! " What a bunch of classless fawkheads!" Get over yourself!



    Oh, please, the fawkoff pills can stay on your bedside table next to the Viagra fawkon pills in case you ever have that painful 4 hour jerk session.

    I'm not going to say I was yanking your chain after that come back, so let's say I was chumming the waters.

    EVERY player THEY interviewed....  Who decides whom to interview?  What's a better story?  Player A is p

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    The one thing you gotta give Subban - he's good with the media.  Comfortable in his skin, and he seems to have no time for those who want to manufacture drama.  Despite those who seem to think arbitration and the process that goes into it inevitably mean the team is going to run the player through the muck (coughnitecough), he keeps saying how much respect Montreal showed all the way through. 

    If it was just Bruins fans, I'd wonder if this was an outgrowth of the Sinden era - just the expectation that the player will be told to go yodel.

    Are you not entertained?!?!




    Blow it out your as s book! EVERY ex-player that they interviewed who went through abitration all said they ended up almost hating the team when they came out of it! Nobody saw this deal coming after the hearing so kindly take a couple of fawkoff pills & call me in the morning. PK just got a 72 million dollar deal from the Habs what do you think he's gonna say! " What a bunch of classless fawkheads!" Get over yourself!



    Oh, please, the fawkoff pills can stay on your bedside table next to the Viagra fawkon pills in case you ever have that painful 4 hour jerk session.

    I'm not going to say I was yanking your chain after that come back, so let's say I was chumming the waters.

    EVERY player THEY interviewed....  Who decides whom to interview?  What's a better story?  Player A is p

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    Your wife disagreed with both of these statements, ya short crusty Prairitimer....

     

     

    Okay, sorry. That's taking the easy way.  I shouldn't have called you a Prairitimer.


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    I'm not sure the "let it die" stuff even makes sense really.  Rather, I'm not sure I agree with it, in the long run.

    Shupe has staked out an interesting position with Rask.  Then, of course, he beat it to death, prompting everyone to ask for some respite.  I certainly agree with that.

    But, there are going to be times where this debate should certainly be brought back up, as time passes and relevant things happen.  

    Like say, for example, one year after shupe's endless crowing about how bad the contract is and how Rask isn't as good as Crawford or Price, Rask then goes out and wins a Vezina trophy.  That might re-open the discussion for some comment.  Or say, hypothetically, shupe changes his stance on an even bigger, longer contract to another young phenom who has yet to put it all together in a playoff run.  I think there will be appropriate times to have the debate.

    I also think shupe's opinions, minus the repetition and "lone wolf" self-applause, are great for the board.  Having lots of measured, logical opinions on players around here gets boring.  So does the overly pro-Bruin stuff.  Shupe's bizarre digs on Rask (and most Bruin players) offer something different.  So does his lovefest for Subban, Price, Crawford, and some over-hyped flavor of the month like Robyn Regehr or Tomas Tatar.  It's something different here.  All of these debates need to be ongoing, on some level.  Long live shupe.  The voice of Treason.

     
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    I love you all. 

    PS...that washed up Regehr guy sure looked good this past cup winning playoff.  Would have loved him on the Bruins.  

     

     
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    That's why the one thing I was clear about was that I would let the back and forth about Rask die if shupe did.  Funnily enough - especially since I was accused of obsession, though, to be fair, I did compare shupe to one of my junior high school girlfriends, so maybe we're even on that one - as soon as I made an effort to let it die, and he brought it up in the context of improving the team by making trades, someone else jumped into the fray.  If he was trolling, you'd have to give it to him; he definitely generates drama.  Since I think he's serious, though, it's hard to ignore him.

    You forgot to mention his fascination with the Capitals among his copy-generating takes.

     

     

     

    Are you not entertained?!?!

     
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    I love you all. 

    PS...that washed up Regehr guy sure looked good this past cup winning playoff.  Would have loved him on the Bruins.  

     



    He really turned things around in Buffalo after they signed him -- you know, in that time period you were raving about him...

    I do think he did a great job in LA, and is a very solid d-man.

     
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    I love you all. 

    PS...that washed up Regehr guy sure looked good this past cup winning playoff.  Would have loved him on the Bruins.  

     

    You mean in the 8 games he played, 7 in the first round an one in the second?  (So...you didn't watch yer boy, then?)

    Of the many Bruin trades of the Sinden and O'Connell era that I regret, I have a special dislike for the deal that sent a Bruins first (Regehr) for Landon Wilson and Anders Myrvold.

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