Affordable third line help that may be available and fit the Bruins

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    Affordable third line help that may be available and fit the Bruins

    After seeing posts about O'Reilly, Ryder, Iginla etc. I thought I'd put up some suggestions that were a little more reality based. Boston's biggest potential need is someone to get the third line going. If it's a player Boston wants to keep beyond this season than he will also need to be affordable due to cap issues. They also don't want to give up the bank and lose valuable roster players - so preferably that would mean the player would be gotten through draft picks or prospects, which means he won't be a star. He'd need to fit the team's need, and likely CJ's style. They'd also play on a team that would be a likely seller, not a contender or fighting for a playoff spot. So with that in mind here are a few ideas - wonder what you all think.

    Boyd Gordon - mentioned this in another thread. If Phoenix slides he could possibly work with Kelly and Pevs. One of the best faceoff guys in the league, his offense is improving and he is great on the PK

    Nick Foligno - Columbus will be making changes, he's another good PK player and decent points.

    Colin Fraser - LA is falling apart, he's young, has good upside offensively and is defensively responsible.

    Curtis Glencross - I'm sounding like a broken record, but he can contribute offensively from the thrid line and is defensively reliable.

    Peter Mueller - young with offensive upside and a decent +- on an awful +- team. 

     

    So any thoughts? Any other players that fit this mold?

     
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    Alfredsson, Weiss or Gagne (all expiring contracts) are the ones I would go after if any of them became available and I don't think they would cost a ton either. The Bruins have plenty of two-way players that can play the PK.

    What Bostson needs is someone who can keep up with Peverley and pop the puck in the net when needed. All three are not defensive liabilites, open up the ice with their stick handling and are cerebral players.

     
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    Re: Affordable third line help that may be available and fit the Bruins

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    After seeing posts about O'Reilly, Ryder, Iginla etc. I thought I'd put up some suggestions that were a little more reality based. Boston's biggest potential need is someone to get the third line going. If it's a player Boston wants to keep beyond this season than he will also need to be affordable due to cap issues. They also don't want to give up the bank and lose valuable roster players - so preferably that would mean the player would be gotten through draft picks or prospects, which means he won't be a star. He'd need to fit the team's need, and likely CJ's style. They'd also play on a team that would be a likely seller, not a contender or fighting for a playoff spot. So with that in mind here are a few ideas - wonder what you all think.

    Boyd Gordon - mentioned this in another thread. If Phoenix slides he could possibly work with Kelly and Pevs. One of the best faceoff guys in the league, his offense is improving and he is great on the PK

    Nick Foligno - Columbus will be making changes, he's another good PK player and decent points.

    Colin Fraser - LA is falling apart, he's young, has good upside offensively and is defensively responsible.

    Curtis Glencross - I'm sounding like a broken record, but he can contribute offensively from the thrid line and is defensively reliable.

    Peter Mueller - young with offensive upside and a decent +- on an awful +- team. 

     

    So any thoughts? Any other players that fit this mold?

     




    Red, I really like Foligno and Glencross. Good call.

     

     
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    Brandon Dubinsky would be a nice fit. Pretty sure he was a healthy scratch for last nights game. Jarmo will probably clean house and load up on more draft picks..I like Dubinsky's game and would be worth sending a package of draft picks with none higher than a second round.

     
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    I like Jason Chimera---cheap, good size, good checker, physical, good skater, veteran.  

    However, I'd rather see a combination of Kelly, Bourque, Peverley, and Paille work out.  If Kelly is your center, you are already starting with the premise that this line's job is to play good D-zone, kill penalties, provide depth, and occasionally chip-in with a goal.  Kelly had a career year last year and will most likely not repeat that pace.  My only concern is having more size among this group of 4.  Pev and Bourque are small...I like Paille and Kelly's size and checking, but both are not as physical as Chimera.  

    If you want more scoring, I'm afraid the answer is to replace Kelly but then you give up too many other aspects that make the B's the best 5-5 team and Penalty Kill team in the league.

     

     
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    I'd take Dubinsky for a second rounder and a prospect but don't see it happening. I feel like Columbus is building for the future and they are adding pieces to get there he is one of those pieces. I'd like to see the bruins solve the problem from within. Give guys like tardiff and Caron minutes if we go on a losing stretch. We only have cap room for this season since we overpaid pevs and Kelly so if we were to make a move pick up a one and done ufa. I just don't think there are going to be too many sellers this year. 

     
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    I can't see LA being this bad for much longer...

    Mueller is an interesting option. Glencross I'm not too high on, but he's on Calgary so he could need a change of scene. Foligno... wasn't he on the Sens at one point?

     
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    I agree with San Dog here. Go for the home run instead of the walk. Why bring on a medicore player on a multi-year contract (Foligno, Glencross) when you can get someone like Iginla (proven playoff performer, tough as nails, genuine goalscorer) at the deadline for relatively cheap (impending ufa)? If he bombs then ties can be cut in July but the payoff is potentially much, much bigger.

     
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    I agree with San Dog here. Go for the home run instead of the walk. Why bring on a medicore player on a multi-year contract (Foligno, Glencross) when you can get someone like Iginla (proven playoff performer, tough as nails, genuine goalscorer) at the deadline for relatively cheap (impending ufa)? If he bombs then ties can be cut in July but the payoff is potentially much, much bigger.



    But he won't be cheap - if we had to give up a porspect and a first and a second rounder for impending UFA Kaberle, what do you think Iginla would get? A lot more than that. Plus, where would you put him? Stick him on the third line? Doubtful, and the top two lines are pretty set. Who gets demoted to the third?

     
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    But he won't be cheap - if we had to give up a porspect and a first and a second rounder for impending UFA Kaberle, what do you think Iginla would get? A lot more than that. Plus, where would you put him? Stick him on the third line? Doubtful, and the top two lines are pretty set. Who gets demoted to the third?

     

     



    What makes you think a 35 year old UFA forward in the downside of his career and a $7million cap hit will cost so much more than an up and coming Foligno signed to a semi-decent contract for his prime years?

     

    You put him wherever he can help, on the top 6 if there are injuries or someone is slumping or on the third line for 15+ minutes a night. This is callled depth, something teams want. Remember, not too long ago we had this one dimensional goalscorer on the team called Michael Ryder who was not exactly known as a defensive specialist. Guess where he played in the 2011 cup run? That's right, third line.

    Then, after the B's have won their second cup in three years Iginla can go on his merry way, back to CGY or wherever, and the B's can find another Bourque-esque cheap fill-in as the cap goes down significantly next season (all the more reason not to trade for a medicore player on a multi-year deal). 

     
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    Glencross would be okay. Not the impact player I'd like, but he has size and can put a few in. 

    I agree with jm. The B's have enough 3rd and 4th type guys. I want someone who pushes the other guys on the first 2 lines to do better. Jerome would fit the bill. I'd give his year's 1st rounder for him. 

     

     

     
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    Glencross would be okay. Not the impact player I'd like, but he has size and can put a few in. 

    I agree with jm. The B's have enough 3rd and 4th type guys. I want someone who pushes the other guys on the first 2 lines to do better. Jerome would fit the bill. I'd give his year's 1st rounder for him. 

     

     



    So would I. The pick and a prospect or two would be worth another cup......

     
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    The 3rd line needs someone who can score when the opportunity is there. Yesterday the talk was about Caron [ why not] he's also big, strong, checks well, skated PK with Bergie two years ago, so the capability is there, and he earned Julien's praise last year. If it's iginla or O'Rielly, they would replace Horton, but Chia doesn't usually go that way. We don't see the west coast guys offered up by RED very often so no perspective on their suiability. My thought is that you don't win with skaters who cannot chip in a goal every so often; and, it is about time to upgrade the 4th line skills. Good-bye Thorny.

     
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    Glencross would be okay. Not the impact player I'd like, but he has size and can put a few in. 

    I agree with jm. The B's have enough 3rd and 4th type guys. I want someone who pushes the other guys on the first 2 lines to do better. Jerome would fit the bill. I'd give his year's 1st rounder for him. 

     

     

     



    So would I. The pick and a prospect or two would be worth another cup......

     




    There is no way that's all it will take to get Iginla, even with an expiring contract. Why? Because Calgary would be in the driver's seat, and there's a reason we like Iginla. So do all the GM's in the entire league. Any legitimate cup contender would be kicking the tires on Iggy. To get him you would HAVE to overpay, and likely significantly.

     
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    Like Dubinsky, Iginla, Foligno and Weiss... others maybe not as much.

    Past few games. I'd say Thorton has been worse than Bourque... maybe B's should be looking to get that line going again? Chimera seems like a good fit there.

     
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    Brandon Dubinsky would be a nice fit. Pretty sure he was a healthy scratch for last nights game. Jarmo will probably clean house and load up on more draft picks..I like Dubinsky's game and would be worth sending a package of draft picks with none higher than a second round.



    Agree as I like Dubinsky as well, tough too play against and fights tooth and nail every shift.

     
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    There is no way that's all it will take to get Iginla, even with an expiring contract. Why? Because Calgary would be in the driver's seat, and there's a reason we like Iginla. So do all the GM's in the entire league. Any legitimate cup contender would be kicking the tires on Iggy. To get him you would HAVE to overpay, and likely significantly.

     

     



    We really have no idea what Iginla would go for. If he cost to much then PC can move on. I used Iginla as an example of who I would target not as the the guy the B's absolutely must have. That said, if there is an opportunity to snag him for the right price then go for it. He would be much more useful in a cup run than most. Tons of cap space for PC this year only screams "Rental" to me, and not a Colin Fraser or Boyd Gordon type.

     

     
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    We really have no idea what Iginla would go for. If he cost to much then PC can move on. I used Iginla as an example of who I would target not as the the guy the B's absolutely must have. That said, if there is an opportunity to snag him for the right price then go for it. He would be much more useful in a cup run than most. Tons of cap space for PC this year only screams "Rental" to me, and not a Colin Fraser or Boyd Gordon type.

     

     




    I guess our disagreement jm is that, given most of the contendor's will all have cap issues next year, the market for players that are UFA this summer and are marquee or relatively high impact players will be very tight and overpriced (think the Hossa rental trade). Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see, but I think that higher end type of player with an expiing contract will be priced out of the Bruins range due to market factors regarding next year's cap that impact a lot of teams beyond the Bruins. I think PC will walk away from an overpriced  market and target something more economical. He did something similar when he went after the under the radar players of Kelly and Peverley.

     
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    I guess our disagreement jm is that, given most of the contendor's will all have cap issues next year, the market for players that are UFA this summer and are marquee or relatively high impact players will be very tight and overpriced (think the Hossa rental trade). Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see, but I think that higher end type of player with an expiing contract will be priced out of the Bruins range due to market factors regarding next year's cap that impact a lot of teams beyond the Bruins. I think PC will walk away from an overpriced  market and target something more economical. He did something similar when he went after the under the radar players of Kelly and Peverley.

     




    I agree with everything you have said here. But I think expectations are much higher now than in 2011 when PC picked up Kelly and Peverly and PC only has the money now, not next year. A Dubinsky would be fine as would a Foligno but if PC picks one of them up we can say goodbye to Horton (at least) because PC will not be able to re-sign him if these deals are made. This is why I think a rental will be his move. With rentals, next year is not a problem. I guess we will find out soon enough.

     

     
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    Glencross would be okay. Not the impact player I'd like, but he has size and can put a few in. 

    I agree with jm. The B's have enough 3rd and 4th type guys. I want someone who pushes the other guys on the first 2 lines to do better. Jerome would fit the bill. I'd give his year's 1st rounder for him. 

     

     

     



    So would I. The pick and a prospect or two would be worth another cup......

     



    I guess you didn't say it. Someone else did though, and I thought I quoted you. 

    Yes, Iggy is going to be pricy, but if you want a WINNER, a guy that will go to the front of the net, a guy that was the FIRST LINE winger for Syd in the last Olympics, a guy that has 2 /50 goal season, and a 32 last year and 43 the year before, then you pay the price and solidify the top 2 lines. Plus the guy that is knocked out goes to the 3rd ine and that benefits all the way down. 

    Obviously I am a huge fan of Jerome. Maybe the price will be too high, and he might not get traded, but I don't want a stop gap measure. I want a WIN.  He will be highly-motivated.

     

    I'm done now.

     

     

     
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    Go big or go home

     
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    Yes, Iggy is going to be pricy, but if you want a WINNER, a guy that will go to the front of the net, a guy that was the FIRST LINE winger for Syd in the last Olympics, a guy that has 2 /50 goal season, and a 32 last year and 43 the year before, then you pay the price and solidify the top 2 lines. Plus the guy that is knocked out goes to the 3rd ine and that benefits all the way down. 

    Obviously I am a huge fan of Jerome. Maybe the price will be too high, and he might not get traded, but I don't want a stop gap measure. I want a WIN.  He will be highly-motivated.

     

    I'm done now.

     

     




    Big fan of his too. In his prime he could make Craig Conroy and Dean McCammond look like first liners. That about says it all....

     
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    Go big or go home




    PC's never gone big, at least not with trades.

     
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    Brandon Dubinsky would be a nice fit. Pretty sure he was a healthy scratch for last nights game. Jarmo will probably clean house and load up on more draft picks..I like Dubinsky's game and would be worth sending a package of draft picks with none higher than a second round.



    Kel, they're loving Dubinsky in Columbus. He's actually injured and that's why he didn't dress.

    Brandon Dubinsky thinks his knee injury is not serious. Dubinsky was injured on Saturday when he had a knee-on-knee hit with the Coyotes Chris Summers in the second period. He tried to play in the third period but had to retire for the night after the pre-period skate. "I've done worse," Dubinsky said. "I don't think it's going to be too long." We will take him at his word and consider him day-to-day. He will be checked out on Tuesday by the Blue Jackets medical staff as Columbus returns from a road trip. He sat out Monday's game and has a goal and eight points in 15 games this season. Feb 19 - 7:58 AM Source: Columbus Dispatch
     
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    Go big or go home

    PC's never gone big, at least not with trades.




     

    The Kessel, Horton and the Ference/Kobasew trade(s) were BIG in my view becuase they are still currently paying off and helped bring a cup to Boston. Now if you had said "blockbuster" then I would agree.

     
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