Another Hockey Fight, another wussy ending

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    [QUOTE]http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=382082 When will Fluto Shinsawa show the courage of his convictions and join his buddy Kevin Paul Dupont in decrying* fighting in hockey? (* though i realize Dupont mentioning it once, hardly qualifies as 'decrying' nor 'courage')  Everyone knows that fighting in hockey is not sustainable, that it really isn't a 'part of the game', that players get seriously and permanently hurt doing it. How many damaged brains is it gonna take? Fighting in hockey is a lie.
    Posted by gord11[/QUOTE]
    Guys are far more commonly hurt by vicious blind-side hits and slashes than in a fight. The players are the ones that want to see fighting stay in the game. How often do you see a guy forced to fight? It's usually 2 willing combatants and if it's not, then it's usually a guy forced to fight because he did something dangerous to another player. Please explain what your issue is again.
     
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    You didn't even read the article before you spouted the company line - such is your indoctrination - you couldn't have.

    here's more;

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/sports/hockey/derek-boogaard-a-boy-learns-to-brawl.html?_r=2

    My issue ? What part of 'fighting in hockey is a lie' didn't you understand?
    My issue is fighting in hockey, dude. It denigrates and demeans a beautiful game and shames us all. Fighting should result in instant ejection like every other real sport. Blindside hits and slashes are what the referees are for.

     
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    [QUOTE]What part of 'fighting in hockey is a lie' didn't you understand?
    Posted by gord11[/QUOTE]

    Any of it, that's what I don't understand.  It sounds like hipster cool-kid speak.

    A fight is a noun.  It is not a statement.  It cannot be proven false.

    So, Joe Cool, go put on your skinny jeans and your fedora and go hang with the rest of the unwashed down at the alt-rock club show.

    Don't forget your earrings.
     
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    [QUOTE]You didn't even read the article before you spouted the company line - such is your indoctrination - you couldn't have. here's more; http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/sports/hockey/derek-boogaard-a-boy-learns-to-brawl.html?_r=2 My issue ? What part of 'fighting in hockey is a lie' didn't you understand? My issue is fighting in hockey, dude. It denigrates and demeans a beautiful game and shames us all. Fighting should result in instant ejection like every other real sport. Blindside hits and slashes are what the referees are for.
    Posted by gord11[/QUOTE]
    If your opinion was shared by the majority then we wouldn't be having this conversation. No, I didn't read the article before replying. I didn't know I needed to read links provided before replying to your posts. Does the fact I still haven't read it mean my opinion isn't validated yet. Get over yourself. If you don't think hockey is a "real sport" then stop watching. Nobody's forcing it on you just as nobody's forcing players to fight. Matt Cooke runs around like an idiot while Savard and others have had their careers ended by meatheads like him. The instigator rule and the officials now protect these sorts of players. The bottom line Dude is that your pink hat is showing. I'm sure someone somewhere is anxiously awaiting you to show up and tell them what to think. I'm certainly not one of them.
     
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    ...and you keep upping your post count while the players you purport to follow and admire and to whom you owe your on-line existence (or should i say
    'persona') continue to hurt themselves, to kill themselves for a League too afraid to define itself and what it is selling, what it stands for

    You didn't read the NY Times piece before you attacked me or your 'idea of me" - It's 7 pages long - what are you afraid of?
     
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    [QUOTE]...and you keep upping your post count while the players you purport to follow and admire and to whom you owe your on-line existence (or should i say 'persona') continue to hurt themselves, to kill themselves for a League too afraid to define itself and what it is selling, what it stands for You didn't read the NY Times piece before you attacked me or your 'idea of me" - It's 7 pages long - what are you afraid of?
    Posted by gord11[/QUOTE]
    Attacked you? Jesus man, get over yourself. Did you think posting here makes your opinion somehow beyond reproach? If you've got a problem with me or my post count, feel free to do like all others do and disagree with me. Crying doesn't help make your point Dude (no matter how much you do it).
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Another Hockey Fight, another wussy ending : Any of it, that's what I don't understand.  It sounds like hipster cool-kid speak. A fight is a noun.  It is not a statement.  It cannot be proven false. So, Joe Cool, go put on your skinny jeans and your fedora and go hang with the rest of the unwashed down at the alt-rock club show. Don't forget your earrings.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot[/QUOTE]

    Something we can agree on, well played, but may have missed an opportunity to insert a Boitano reference.
     
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    I was actually answering your buddy, 'NAS'...So 'get over yourself' tough guy. There is a cabal of anonymous posters here who give each other anonymous
    nicknames and luxuriate in each others f*rt smells and I need to 'get over myself"?

    I'm talking about fighting in hockey. What are you talking about?

    Read the s**t, Sherlock.
     
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    [QUOTE]I was actually answering your buddy, 'NAS'...So 'get over yourself' tough guy. There is a cabal of anonymous posters here who give each other anonymous nicknames and luxuriate in each others f*rt smells and I need to 'get over myself"? I'm talking about fighting in hockey. What are you talking about? Read the s**t, Sherlock.
    Posted by gord11[/QUOTE]

    Stick to the topic, new kid.  Please explain how "fighting in hockey" can be "a lie". 

    And keep reading your New York newspapers online.  Be sure to e-mail the interesting stuff to all of your buddies down in The Village.
     
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    In Response to Re: Another Hockey Fight, another wussy ending:[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Another Hockey Fight, another wussy ending : Is it really about Marchand, or about the fight, and the culture today that when you're tired or give up in a fight, you just tell the refs (aka call in mommy) and that's it.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot[/QUOTE]

    If anything though it's not choreographed like when Thornton goes for the shirt pull over the head on cue in every fight...
     
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    [QUOTE]I was actually answering your buddy, 'NAS'...So 'get over yourself' tough guy. There is a cabal of anonymous posters here who give each other anonymous nicknames and luxuriate in each others f*rt smells and I need to 'get over myself"? I'm talking about fighting in hockey. What are you talking about? Read the s**t, Sherlock.
    Posted by gord11[/QUOTE]
    Really? I see the word "fighting" but I can't see where in this post that you're "talking about fighting". Please enlighten us simpler folks as to how many players have been seriously injured in fights. When I say seriously injured, I'm not talking about the hurt feelings you seem to suffer from.
     
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    And you keep your head in the sand, Not-a-Shot (which is an upgrade from where your head usually is). The topic is the degenerative effects of repeated blows to the head in a League that has decided it is going to take such blows seriously. The punches landed in a hockey fight constitute those same cumulative degenerative effects.
    it isn't just the 'pinkos' in the Village who see the hypocrisy in eliminating 'head shots' while allowing fighting. The worm has turned for the dinosaurs who have held this game back. It is now only a matter of time. And you know it. You are already those grampas complaining about how the game used to be played.
    Call me what you will, but fighting will be gone from the NHL in our lifetime.
     
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    Fighting is so bad the Moms in Canada are clamoring the NHL and others to advocate the lunacy of keeping it in the sport.  So let us have more spearing, butt ending, slashing, and goaltender interference in all zones.  Nah, it is ok, we can eliminate those too and have European football.  
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Another Hockey Fight, another wussy ending : Any of it, that's what I don't understand.  It sounds like hipster cool-kid speak. A fight is a noun.  It is not a statement.  It cannot be proven false. So, Joe Cool, go put on your skinny jeans and your fedora and go hang with the rest of the unwashed down at the alt-rock club show. Don't forget your earrings.
    Posted by Not-A-Shot[/QUOTE]
    Clearly don't know what a hipster is. But, you are a little too old for that.
     
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    [QUOTE]And you keep your head in the sand, Not-a-Shot (which is an upgrade from where your head usually is). The topic is the degenerative effects of repeated blows to the head in a League that has decided it is going to take such blows seriously. The punches landed in a hockey fight constitute those same cumulative degenerative effects. it isn't just the 'pinkos' in the Village who see the hypocrisy in eliminating 'head shots' while allowing fighting. The worm has turned for the dinosaurs who have held this game back. It is now only a matter of time. And you know it. You are already those grampas complaining about how the game used to be played. Call me what you will, but fighting will be gone from the NHL in our lifetime.
    Posted by gord11[/QUOTE]
    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/06/things-are-going-well-for-the-nhl-says-the-nhl/
     
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    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/06/mcgrattan-on-enforcers-role-i-dont-come-foaming-at-the-mouth-to-fight/


    This is indicative of what players think.
     
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    Fighting in hockey is a lie because;

    For the aforementioned reason; the hypocrisy of the NHL, claiming to want to eliminate brain-scrambling headshots but at the same allowing/encouraging fighting (the effects are being proven to cause the same kind of long term brain damage)

    For the reason that NHL hockey is advertised like a G or PG movie. Except that when you get into the theatre with your kids, you find out that there are 3 or four XXX scenes thrown in.
    (In fact i'd rather my kids just watched that instead of the disturbing images of two men bare-knuckle fighting amid the bloodlustful scary-glee of the violence porn set)

    Fighting in hockey is a lie for the same reason you "NAS", call Shawn Thornton a "dancing clown" - because he e-mails his buddies from the other teams before the game to set up a malice-free career-justifying fight like others do dinner dates - because the 'reality' of some of his fights might actually be questioned.

    Fighting in hockey is a lie because it doesn't happen in the Playoffs. I thought it was supposed to be a 'part of the game'? What, teams don't need that same 'spark' in the Playoffs? What about the vicious blind-side hits and slashing? Do these not need to be policed-hence-deterred in the Playoffs? Are there two 'games' of hockey?

    Fighting in hockey is a lie because there are enough people to believe in it.



     
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    [QUOTE]Fighting in hockey is a lie because; For the aforementioned reason; the hypocrisy of the NHL, claiming to want to eliminate brain-scrambling headshots but at the same allowing/encouraging fighting (the effects are being proven to cause the same kind of long term brain damage) For the reason that NHL hockey is advertised like a G or PG movie. Except that when you get into the theatre with your kids, you find out that there are 3 or four XXX scenes thrown in. (In fact i'd rather my kids just watched that instead of the disturbing images of two men bare-knuckle fighting amid the bloodlustful scary-glee of the violence porn set) Fighting in hockey is a lie for the same reason you "NAS", call Shawn Thornton a "dancing clown" - because he e-mails his buddies from the other teams before the game to set up a malice-free career-justifying fight like others do dinner dates - because the 'reality' of some of his fights might actually be questioned. Fighting in hockey is a lie because it doesn't happen in the Playoffs. I thought it was supposed to be a 'part of the game'? What, teams don't need that same 'spark' in the Playoffs? What about the vicious blind-side hits and slashing? Do these not need to be policed-hence-deterred in the Playoffs? Are there two 'games' of hockey? Fighting in hockey is a lie because there are enough people to believe in it.
    Posted by gord11[/QUOTE]
    There were fights in the playoffs. If you'd watched you would know that.
     
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    [QUOTE]And you keep your head in the sand, Not-a-Shot (which is an upgrade from where your head usually is). The topic is the degenerative effects of repeated blows to the head in a League that has decided it is going to take such blows seriously. The punches landed in a hockey fight constitute those same cumulative degenerative effects. it isn't just the 'pinkos' in the Village who see the hypocrisy in eliminating 'head shots' while allowing fighting. The worm has turned for the dinosaurs who have held this game back. It is now only a matter of time. And you know it. You are already those grampas complaining about how the game used to be played. Call me what you will, but fighting will be gone from the NHL in our lifetime.
    Posted by gord11[/QUOTE]


    Wrong that's not the topic on this thread.If you want to discuss degenerative effects of due to fighting start your own thread.
    I guess you heard or read the results . What proof do we have it was solely about fighting?
    Now I'm off topic.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Another Hockey Fight, another wussy ending : There were fights in the playoffs. If you'd watched you would know that.
    Posted by dezaruchi[/QUOTE]

    For example, the Bruins had 5 post-season scraps on their Cup run.

    Heck, even the Canucks had 4.

    Game-set-match.
     
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    Whether or not to eliminate fighting from the NHL - like almost everything else related to the 'product' - is not the players' call to make.
    Fighting will be eliminated when the Board Of Governors become convinced by the avalanche of science and sentiment, that protecting their players' safety is analagous with economic prosperity.

    When they make fighting in hockey an ejectable offence they will grow the game bigger and faster than any other gimmick - shootouts, re-allignment etc - they could try. Their only regret will be that they didn't do it sooner - not because they'd have saved more young mens' brains - because they'll be making way more money.
     
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    Boston and Vancouver averaged 0.16 fights per game in last year's Playoffs.

    Whether or not to eliminate fighting from the NHL - like almost everything else related to the 'product' - is not the players' call to make.
    Fighting will be eliminated when the Board Of Governors become convinced by the avalanche of science and sentiment, that protecting their players' safety is analagous with economic prosperity.

    Making fighting an ejectable offence will grow the game bigger and faster than any other gimmick - shootouts, re-allignment etc - they could try.
     
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    gord get off your soap box.  I guess yo don't want to start your own thread.
    There is no proof that all this brain damage is caused by fighting . 
    Most of the headshots that caused concussions do not come from fighting.
    You're just echoing what all the people that want fighting gone from the game , you're not bringing anything new here.
    Reading your past posts you come here just to get a rise out of the posters.
     
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    Changing the divisions/conferences is a gimmick!  Yep, that'll help them sell a heck of a lot of tickets.

    See what I get?

    I need to follow my sig more closely.

     
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    [QUOTE]Whether or not to eliminate fighting from the NHL - like almost everything else related to the 'product' - is not the players' call to make. Fighting will be eliminated when the Board Of Governors become convinced by the avalanche of science and sentiment, that protecting their players' safety is analagous with economic prosperity. When they make fighting in hockey an ejectable offence they will grow the game bigger and faster than any other gimmick - shootouts, re-allignment etc - they could try. Their only regret will be that they didn't do it sooner - not because they'd have saved more young mens' brains - because they'll be making way more money.
    Posted by gord11[/QUOTE]
    Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the way a union works because if you did, you'd realise how naive it is to think the employees have no say in what goes on in their work environment. I'm not really sure what your agenda is here. Are you trying to open the eyes of lifelong fans who disagree with your stance simply because part 1 (of 3 stay tuned) of the Boogard story tugged at your heartstrings? Like Laraque said in his book, of course the "fighters" would prefer to be 50 goal scorers. Instead, what you're proposing is to eliminate the role and those players opportunities to play in the NHL along with it. Well good luck with that. Maybe your voice will be the one that incites change. I guess starting off here with a grass roots campaign is one way to go.
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=605081
     
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